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Can I nevertheless use this opportunity to state again how ****ty the dialouge wheel is. 

 

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If only we had even this many choices with Bethesda's new dialogue system...

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Can I nevertheless use this opportunity to state again how ****ty the dialouge wheel is.

I have three problems with dialogue wheel.

1, Needless obfuscation: written "yes", says "sure".

2, When the short written sentence doesn't match what my character says and/or does.

3, When the dialogue wheel is used to hide my lack of choice. Two or more written choices, but they all lead to my character saying/doing the same thing.

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Can I nevertheless use this opportunity to state again how ****ty the dialouge wheel is.

I have three problems with dialogue wheel.

1, Needless obfuscation: written "yes", says "sure".

2, When the short written sentence doesn't match what my character says and/or does.

3, When the dialogue wheel is used to hide my lack of choice. Two or more written choices, but they all lead to my character saying/doing the same thing.

 

 

#2 and #3 really are the worst.  It's crazy how often it seems to be done, though.

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Can I nevertheless use this opportunity to state again how ****ty the dialouge wheel is.

I have three problems with dialogue wheel.

1, Needless obfuscation: written "yes", says "sure".

2, When the short written sentence doesn't match what my character says and/or does.

3, When the dialogue wheel is used to hide my lack of choice. Two or more written choices, but they all lead to my character saying/doing the same thing.

 

 

#2 and #3 really are the worst.  It's crazy how often it seems to be done, though.

 

 

It's particularly infuriating because it's a solved problem. Human Revolution (and presumably Mankind Divided will do a similar thing) has the standard console-adapted dialogue "diamond", but shows you extended text when you highlight any of the options. Even without being the full text, one complete, grammatically correct sentence is often all that's needed to establish the correct meaning. There is no valid reason to not employ this approach.

 

There are invalid reasons of course, not least amongst them the aforementioned intentional deception in order to hide the absence of meaningful choices. In other cases I suspect the dialogue hasn't actually been written yet and the scripters are just working off a flowchart (and couldn't be bothered to backfill the UI).

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Can I nevertheless use this opportunity to state again how ****ty the dialouge wheel is.

I have three problems with dialogue wheel.

1, Needless obfuscation: written "yes", says "sure".

2, When the short written sentence doesn't match what my character says and/or does.

3, When the dialogue wheel is used to hide my lack of choice. Two or more written choices, but they all lead to my character saying/doing the same thing.

 

 

#2 and #3 really are the worst.  It's crazy how often it seems to be done, though.

 

bring up #2 and #3 is why we got banned from bioware.  complained 'bout how frequent #3 were happening in mass effect, so chris priestly locks thread-- insists that our complaints could lead to spoilers.  no actual spoilers, but potential were too great. okie dokie. so then a dragon age dialogue wheel thread gets started by somebody other than Gromnir. no possibility o spoilers, yes?  we get banned 'cause priestly told us we should "drop it," and we ignored his directive.

 

*shrug*

 

no big loss, but we bring up to show just how little the dialogue o' the dialogue wheel has changed. dialogue wheel has been broken from the start.  minor improvements have not improved the dialogue wheel enough to make it worth the trouble.  for a game with enormous amounts o' dialogue, the dialogue wheel is a developer time/resource saver, but somehow it gets sold as a boon to role-play.  is pt barnum game design.

 

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Can I nevertheless use this opportunity to state again how ****ty the dialouge wheel is.

I have three problems with dialogue wheel.

1, Needless obfuscation: written "yes", says "sure".

2, When the short written sentence doesn't match what my character says and/or does.

3, When the dialogue wheel is used to hide my lack of choice. Two or more written choices, but they all lead to my character saying/doing the same thing.

 

 

#2 and #3 really are the worst.  It's crazy how often it seems to be done, though.

 

bring up #2 and #3 is why we got banned from bioware.  complained 'bout how frequent #3 were happening in mass effect, so chris priestly locks thread-- insists that our complaints could lead to spoilers.  no actual spoilers, but potential were too great. okie dokie. so then a dragon age dialogue wheel thread gets started by somebody other than Gromnir. no possibility o spoilers, yes?  we get banned 'cause priestly told us we should "drop it," and we ignored his directive.

 

*shrug*

 

no big loss, but we bring up to show just how little the dialogue o' the dialogue wheel has changed. dialogue wheel has been broken from the start.  minor improvements have not improved the dialogue wheel enough to make it worth the trouble.  for a game with enormous amounts o' dialogue, the dialogue wheel is a developer time/resource saver, but somehow it gets sold as a boon to role-play.  is pt barnum game design.

 

HA! Good Fun!

 

 

I would say that Eidos Montreal probably did the dialogue wheel the best for their take on the Deus Ex games. They do bother to give you at least a sentence long summation of whatever dialogue decision you make that's at least 95% in line with what you had in mind when you clicked that option.

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I found out that there is finally some Mass effect trilogy bundle, do someone know if it contains DLCs as well? I want to finally play it now when its in complete package, but I want DLCs as well :/

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I found out that there is finally some Mass effect trilogy bundle, do someone know if it contains DLCs as well? I want to finally play it now when its in complete package, but I want DLCs as well :/

It does not. ME2 will have a Cerberus Network code that grants you access to a few small DLC, and I think the ME1 DLC might be with it, but that's it. If you're playing on PC and you don't detest Origin, you can sign up for Origin Access ($5 a month) which includes all three titles (I believe all BioWare titles are included) and a good chunk of the DLCs come with them.

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so still no complete edition? ef that

I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"

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jeez what a mess of ideas and styles... I always wondered how mixing Lord of the Rings and Starship Troopers would look, and now I know  :disguise:

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I was struggling to understand ths until I noticed you are from Finland. And having been educated solely by mkreku in this respect I am convinced that Finland essentially IS the wh40k universe.

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