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  1. Gromnir

    Politics 2020

    seth rich? as we said, trump efforts to undermine the democratic process with tales o' sinister plots appeals to those with a high degree o' bullsh!t receptivity. is a transparent ploy but it is, beyond all reason, effective. the conspiracy theories themselves are utter banal, but they is helpful in identifying those vulnerable souls in need o' special care and consideration. HA! Good Fun!
  2. Gromnir

    Politics 2020

    Temp worker tossed Pennsylvania ballots Trump complained about, official says so, where is the story? is a bit like when the heritage foundation uncovered nearly 1000 examples o' state and fed voter fraud... over the past forty years. particular as the usps removed so many high-speed mail sorting machines, we should expect a few stories o' human error regarding the mails. we are talking hundred o' millions o' mail transactions. where human error is possible, examine a large enough pool o' examples and potential human error becomes inevitable. the usps should work harder to reduce human error, but pretend as if these extreme rare news stories is indicative o' a fundamental flaw o' mail in voting, much less the bat-crap crazy effort to spin predictable blunder as a leftist plot to steal the election is more transparent trump silliness... and like so much similar siliness, is more meaningful to track who posts and appears convinced by such tinfoil hat fodder than to waste effort on the stories themselves. HA! Good Fun!
  3. Gromnir

    Politics 2020

    hitler? he was a populist who used police state efforts to not only marginalize minority groups but to brutally murder millions. you are offering up the 20th century's most glaring example o' why we should fear a tyranny o' the masses and somehow take a single quote you kinda recall and use it to complete spin what happened in nazi germany? not a good chance for baldwin or bellafonte. next time perhaps. what is in the water 'round here? first numbers reinvents mlk and now you wanna do same with hitler? who is next? find out mother teresa didn't care about the poor but secretly she had a garbage fetish. truth is she just loved the sound of flies buzzing and the stench from open latrines. HA! Good Fun!
  4. Gromnir

    Politics 2020

    it's actual a perfect fine and reasonable system for what the President is s'posed to be. 1787 President had no armies to command and the bureaucracy was almost non existent... weren't even a post office 'til 1791 or maybe 1792. whatever. President were not s'posed to be democratic elected anymore than were the Supreme Court. elitist? perhaps, but our Constitution were a rejection o' athenian democracy and an acknowledgement o' the dangers o' the tyranny o' the masses. Congress were the perceived real danger and the founders found multiple systemic ways to check the power o' Congress. have a President chosen by wise men from every town and burg in the nation? those wise men could not serve public office and could not repeat as electoral college members. electoral college were never intended to be democratic and were purposeful insulated from the potential tyranny o' the masses. fact the electoral college were eletist were viewed as its strength. we didn't want a philosopher king here in the US, but the President could kinda embody some o' the best aspects o' such in a much diminished capacity. sure, Congress would have all the real power, but when dealing with foreign nations it made sense to have a singular voice acting on our behalf. have the President be the wisest of wise men chosen by the wisest and most incorruptible men in the US? President wouldn't have much real power anyway, so... the founders likely never woulda' imagined Congress willingly ceeding powers to the office o' the Presidency to the degree which has occured. am one o' those folks who has actual read the federalist papers wherein the dangers o' the new government is explored and reflected 'pon. our modern Presidency is just so utter alien to the founders notions o' that office that am thinking is unfair to blame the them for their missteps regarding the electoral college. the Presidency evolved through an organic alchemy o' a thousand act o' Congress and subsequent decisions by the Court. unfortunately, the electoral college needs be changed by an Amendment or by a new Constitutional Convention. with the nation as polarized as it is today, good luck getting an Amendment or Constitutional Convention to change the electoral college. from a practical pov, is much easier to take power away from the President and return the office to its origins. @Guard Dog should be lobbying for a democrat clean sweep, 'cause as much as he fears the democrats, am suspecting one o' their first orders o' business will be to serious diminish the office o' the President. emergency powers nonsense? gone. acting appointments? gone. doj independence? gone. etc. heck, am suspecting the best scenario for gd is a continued trump Presidency and a Democrat house and senate. am personal terrified o' such, but we can see the Democrats near complete shutting down the office o' the President, and just as with the appointment o' Ginsburg's replacement in the last month before an election, it will be Constitutional and legal to do so, regardless o' the consequences. putin is laughing his arse off. HA! Good Fun!
  5. Gromnir

    Politics 2020

    to be fair, stand your ground has little relevance. if you are in your home, and you are confronted by an armed assailant, you got the right to defend yourself with lethal force. period. "duty to retreat" is law in a few jurisdictions, but as far as we know, it does not apply to a person's home. home is different. castle doctrine is a confusing sub-issue. what the castle doctrine does is that in states where there is a duty to retreat, the home is an exception. castle doctrine is further confused 'cause in a select few states, the castle metaphor is extended to your personal vehicle and possibly even your place o' work. a no-knock warrant is an issue almost nowheres save a personal residence 'cause cops don't need worry 'bout the knocking save in homes. stand your ground sounds like an issue, but isn't. homes is different. HA! Good Fun!
  6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIpgdo9Ab38 am recalling one o' those old nfl films with john facenda narrating and floyd peters shared a memory o' tackling gale sayers. “He gave me a fake, and my body went one way, my mind went the other way, and something happens to your motor when that happens,” Peters said. “It’s hard to explain. But my legs went limp and I had nothing left. “The only problem was, Gale made one too many fakes and came back into me. I hit him and knocked him down and he said, ‘Nice tackle, Floyd.’ I told him, ‘I didn’t tackle you. You ran into me.’” greatness o' gale sayers didn't end with football. the chicago area has any number o' children's centers and youth organizations which were built or aided by mr. sayers. he will be missed.
  7. Gromnir

    Politics 2020

    the truly terrible part is that ms. taylor died. am not gonna try and diminish the significance. what we will say is that in spite o' the fact we can all see there were wongs done, is unlikely anything will change. focus will be on the individual cops who executed the warrant. that is good news for the establishment. all the energy o' protesters and celebrity support will go to the perceived injustice o' the cops not going to prison. we got a well armed public. no-knock warrants is purposeful designed so as to catch occupants by surprise. people who is surprised or caught off guard tend to act impulsively and mistakes are more likely to occur. ... the syllogism writes itself from there, no? this is all utter predictable. sure, we don't want suspected criminals to get away with destroying evidence, but there is a human cost attached to that legit government goal. we cannot current change the fact that the public is well armed and dangerous. armed public is as much a given as is the increased chances for surprise and accident from no-knock warrants, and no-knock warrants is just one aspect o' the tragedy which is unlikely to change. @Guard Dog we do keep saying that all obsidian message board posts is potential star trek relevant. your efforts is a bit more overt than most, but am appreciating the support... intentional or otherwise. HA! Good Fun!
  8. *chuckle* mic drop moment? HA! Good Fun!
  9. Gromnir

    Politics 2020

    apologies for the double-post, but #s is offended by our posting economy. the problem is the law. if people do not like the law, they should change it. don't get confused by right and wrong. this is grand jury and the grand jury has gotta decide if there is a possibility o' prosecution. the problem is the cops had a warrant and the cops were acting in good faith to execute the warrant. is not as if the cops knew the warrant was bad or that there were insufficient evidence for them to have a legit warrant. is not a dirty cop situation. like it or not, the cops were protected by law when they broke into ms. taylor's house... right or wrong. blame state legislature. blame judge for ok o' the warrant. blame investigating cops. dunno, lots o' blame to go around. however, the cops, as far as the law were concerned, were carrying out a warrant and as such they could be in ms. taylor's home and they could act in self defense even if they were otherwise trespassing. maybe that feels wrong, but is not the cop's fault. once the cops were fired 'pon... has been a serious disservice done as the public has not been told what is the law. is much easier to focus on right and wrong. we all know that ms. taylor dying were a wrong. problem is that the the only cop who did anything obvious illegal is the guy outside who did the idiotic spray and pray routine once somebody inside the house, somebody not the cops, shot and wounded another cop. say the cops shouldn't go to prison for murder is hardly the same as saying law enforcement is blameless or that ms. taylor is undeserving o' justice. were a whole lotta mistakes made, and the law itself is busted, but am thinking people are too focused on the wrong wrongs. HA! Good Fun!
  10. Gromnir

    Politics 2020

    oh, this will be the last post. a few posts previous we were told you didn't even bother to read the posts we made. but congrats on your moment o' clarity... a couple pages later and a half dozen posts removed. the only person talking 'bout reporting a mod or some kinda mod response is you. qq much? nevertheless, 'cause is a mod involved driveby, our little conflict, which started 'cause you didn't like our on-topic response to your misquoting, and then decided to abandon any effort to discuss any topic save you and Gromnir, poor dear, gets a couple extra posts o' mod indifference before the inevitable warning... which should be unnecessary as #s is a mod. *chuckle* go figure. so, "idpol"... we all agree is a shibboleth yes? is infinitely fungible and largely meaningless in and of itself, but as soon as somebody uses, it is an extreme accurate predictor o' the content o' the remaining post. is a bit like "feminazi." trying to reduce mlk to better fit the idpol narrative you concocted were a mistake, a blunder. your response were to not address the blunder but to qq at Gromnir. happy. on-topic w/o any additional quotes. didn't make much difference calling out that point, did it? and us poor mortals down here at the base o' olympus who do not share your grand experience and knowledge o' modding (*snort*) will need do as has always been our rule and ignore what is claimed and instead to observe what is done. HA! Good Fun!
  11. Gromnir

    Politics 2020

    do the same for Gromnir. serious. not hard. only one other poster we has ever previous directed the qq, and you followed the exact same trend. sure, you didn't have the self-awareness to recognize how you were being chastised. have no doubt behind the scenes mods has been admonished. tn had a little flip-out a while ago and while am certain Gromnir woulda' been scolded public, we wouldn't be shocked if tn were admonished private. however, try and pretend as if mods don't get more freedom and more benefit o' the doubt from fellow mods is ludicrous. there will be an eventual general warning to stay on-topic and not discuss the motivations o' other posters, an admonishment #s will ignore... which would be no biggie if he were just another poster, but he has been given responsibility. and still not even trying to be on topic? all the recent board warnings, but a mod can't seem to follow board guidelines? have never resorted to the report function as is pointless. we do find public shaming has a tendency to fix behaviour or drive the violator to even more extreme behaviours. win either way. no james baldwin? harry belafonte is much underappreciated by the current generation as he is known most as an entertainer. mr. bellafonte were a guest on the muppet show and sesame street (multiple times.) given the ludicrousness o' continued off-topic and extended qqing o' #s. a sesame street number feels increasing appropriate. tougher call to make. that said, obama and reid had already shown a willingness to violate long standing government norms. however, they did specific tap the brakes at the Supreme Court. when filibuster for appointees were exorcised, the democrats, perhaps outta guilt but mayhap in a moment o' clarity, stated Supreme Court Justices were not affected by their alteration o' senate rules. your hypothetical suggests the democrats, who in spite o' their underhanded efforts to alter Congressional norms to suit their current needs but nevertheless insulated the Supreme Court from their actions, would so soon afterwards show a callous willingness to burn it all down. you could be right. naked opportunism is the current situation. the problem is four years has changed so much. much o' what we all thought were impossible four years ago has already happened. with every trump violation and excess which the senate allowed, they made it that much more possible to excuse the next mistake. describe 2020 to any senate republican in 2015. unilateral government shutdowns. ignoring Congressional power o' the purse and pilfering from discretionary funds to force through construction specific denied by Congress. 1000 former prosecutors accuse the President o' obstruction of Justice. attempt to bury an IG report from reaching Congress 'cause it makes the President look bad. send federal troops to states and localities where they routine ignore due process rights o' those detained. dozens o' other examples. the current Court situation were made possible by the democrats, harry reid and obama back in 2013. the reason why is happening, as has so much else, is 'cause somewhere between 2016 and today, the republicans gave in and became the party of trump. it were not an overnight thing. the problem is, the democrats ain't what they were in 2015 neither. clinton and the dnc underhanded efforts to prevent bernie from gaining the nomination helped split the party and the last two years (in particular) o' trump has polarized democrats even further. as angry as were republicans in 2013, democrats is more furious in 2020, and there is more than a little justification for fire and fury. justification ain't enough. gonna help destroy faith in institutions 'cause that is what trump has been doing for four years? vindictive and immature is predictable but is no way to run government. is very democratic, and am not referencing the party. the tyranny o' the masses is what our system is s'posed to prevent, but we are throwing it all away, bit by bit, and norm after norm. disagreeing with gd: am not thinking democrats woulda' done reverse in 2016. they would today. too much has changed in four years. most of it bad. HA! Good Fun! ps @Achilles show by president for budget deficits as you are doing is misleading. is republicans who forced through balanced budget. give clinton credit is dubious. am not suggesting you be convinced by a single cato institute article o' all things, but even so, am thinking is gross unfair to describe as you do. obama deficits were as much 'bout obamacare, his misguided stimulus efforts AND bailouts o' banks and automakers 'stead o' individual citizens than were 'bout the recession, a recession which were as much the fault o' clinton's bank deregulation as any other dozen reasons. because o' the recession, obama woulda' had deficits no matter what. fair point. he just did everything wrong to fix and we would be paying for those mistakes already but for the fact trump is compounding by expanding the debt 'stead o' trying to control... at least pre covid. oh, and democrat Presidents routine cut nasa budget. ... the nasa bit ain't really relevant to the deficit issue, but am thinking clinton and obama both deserve more scorn and ridicule for cutting nasa dollars.
  12. Gromnir

    Politics 2020

    would be pointless. as we noted, you are a mod. have seen this sad little drama play out where we embarrass a mod and next thing you know, the poor dear is forgetting board rules and abusing shiboleth. see, another mod is the one who uses the qq shibboleth, which is precise why we brought it up this time. honest didn't expect such a quick strike at the bait. that said, am recalling a few james baldwin quotes am itching to use. they probable exist in video form. next time you wanna misrepresent somebody to advance one o' your kookie positions, we would appreciate using baldwin. thanking you in advance... but to swing this back around to the topic, since am needing be the one to do so... will observe how we recent predicted the trump nominee for the Court would be as unpalatable as possible to current democrats and we guessed it would be a woman evangelical. amy coney barrett is the current fox frontrunner. we mentioned ms. barrett a couple times previous on the board as she were a possible nominee to replace kennedy. the following is a non lawyer article which hits most relevant issues and is from before all this nominee crazy, which makes it a bit more trustworthy in our estimation... from 2018. https://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2018/07/08/amy-coney-barrett-what-possible-supreme-court-nominee-has-said-roe-v-wade-and-other-issues/759076002/ ask us about barbara lagoa and we can't tell you much. she ain't been a fed judge long enough or made some kinda impact such that she would be on our radar. résumé is a bit thin for SCOTUS inclusion. HA! Good Fun!
  13. Gromnir

    Politics 2020

    there. fixed that for you. welcome. our rants do stay on-topic though. is curious how this and other board rulez only apply to non mods. don't trust statistics and analysis from multiple reputable sources, instead trust anecdotal... and trump? okie dokie. the biggest myth about college graduates and the recession: busted Workers with low levels of education still haven’t recovered from the Great Recession Not only have less-educated groups not recovered as fully from the recession, they started at lower levels of employment rates prior to the crisis such that at this point, amongst those aged 25 and higher, 72.5 percent of those with a bachelor’s degree work compared to just 55 percent of those with only a high school degree. College Graduates Fare Well in Jobs Market, Even Through Recession The unemployment rate for college graduates in April (a 2013 article) was a mere 3.9 percent, compared with 7.5 percent for the work force as a whole, according to a Labor Department report released Friday. Even when the jobless rate for college graduates was at its very worst in this business cycle, in November 2010, it was still just 5.1 percent. That is close to the jobless rate the rest of the work force experiences when the economy is good. https://www.pewtrusts.org/~/media/legacy/uploadedfiles/pcs_assets/2012/pursuingamericandreampdf.pdf Mobility by Race Blacks have a harder time exceeding the family income and wealth of their parents than do whites. ■ Sixty-six percent of blacks raised in the second quintile surpass their parents’ family income compared with 89 percent of whites. ■ Only 23 percent of blacks raised in the middle surpass their parents’ family wealth compared with over half (56 percent) of whites. Blacks are more likely to be stuck in the bottom and fall from the middle than are whites. ■ Over half of blacks (53 percent) raised in the bottom of the family income ladder remain stuck in the bottom as adults, compared with only a third (33 percent) of whites. Half of blacks (56 percent) raised in the middle of the family income ladder fall to the bottom two rungs as adults compared with just under a third of whites (32 percent). ■ Half of blacks (50 percent) raised in the bottom of the family wealth ladder remain stuck in the bottom as adults, compared with only a third (33 percent) of whites. More than two-thirds of blacks (68 percent) raised in the middle fall to the bottom two rungs of the ladder as adults compared with just under a third of whites (30 percent). Mobility by Education A four-year college degree promotes upward mobility from the bottom and prevents downward mobility from the middle and top. ■ Almost one-half (47 percent) of those raised in the bottom quintile of the family income ladder who do not earn a college degree are stuck there as adults, compared with 10 percent who do earn a college degree. Similarly, 45 percent without a college degree are stuck in the bottom of the family wealth ladder compared with 20 percent with a degree. ■ Having a college degree makes a person more than three times more likely to rise from the bottom of the family income ladder all the way to the top, and makes a person more than four times more likely to rise from the bottom of the family wealth ladder to the top. ■ Thirty-nine percent raised in the middle of the family income ladder who do not get a college degree fall from the middle, compared with less than a quarter (22 percent) of those with a degree. Similarly, 39 percent raised in the middle of the family wealth ladder who do not earn a degree fall down the wealth ladder, compared with 19 percent with a degree. etc. it ain't all lobster *insert eye roll*and champagne for those w/o a college degree and is even tougher if you are a minority. considering your willingness to share stats and studies in the past, call us suspicious o' your sudden cynicism. HA! Good Fun!
  14. Gromnir

    Politics 2020

    why on earth would you read more than one? if you think Gromnir is repetitive... and sure, the democrats would be doing the exact same thing. we have repeated many times how the whole current Court problem is a democrat legacy o' their killing o' filibuster, a fail which obama clear learned nothing from given his john lewis eulogy. wanna go back further? scalia had unanimous senate approval in 86. unanimous. one year later and democrat borking forever changed Justice appointments. had many decades where President's Justice appointment and senate confirmation were merit based and curiously non-political. democrats went and f'd that up and they did so to reject one o' the most impressive American legal minds o' the 20th century. however, like it or not, this situation is the hypocrisy o' mitch, lindsey graham and others and not the democrats. IF the republicans in february o' 2016 had stated they had the votes and were gonna sit on an obama nominee come hell or high water, then they would not be facing the scorn and ridicule o' justa' 'bout every non hardcore trumper today. we will let the voters decide, rings hollow at the moment, no? the republicans tried to legitimize their power grab 'cause they didn't want torpid and indolent democrat voters to come out in numbers to reject what we all knew were gutlevel wrong at the time, but it were legal and Constitutional. don't like the Constitution? tough noogies. solution is to vote. is nothing illegal 'bout what the republicans is doing. is skeevy and a bit underhanded, but am suspecting In The Current Political Environment, democrats would do the same. the thing is, this is not an insular choice. republicans need to win this November 'cause if democrats take back both houses o' Congress after republicans forced through a new supreme court justice in october, or worse as could be a lame duck appointment in december, there will be a reckoning come January 4, 2021. that reckoning will be Constitutional and legal. and so the cycle will continue until somebody has the sense and courage to say, "no more." we keep telling folks that legal and Constitutional is NOT same as right and moral. unconstitutional is never okie dokie, but Constitutional is not same as good or right or just. Constitutional gives republicans the power and the right to make a choice, and their choice will be judged, perhaps quicker than they would hope. "“You’ll regret this and you might regret it even sooner than you might think,” McConnell warned." mitch were right in 2013. the thing is, as mitch 2020 pushes ahead, he should listen to his 2013 self... just to make #s qq HA! Good Fun!
  15. Gromnir

    Politics 2020

    seven sentences and a shrug? am seeing the problem if you find such to be mentally taxing or daunting. if it makes you feel better, we will happily provide a video response if you take another civil rights icon and quote him/her out of context. kinda gotta work with what you provide. as for oro your insights into our background is intriguing. do continue. with the scholarships gone, at the very least we woulda' been back at the rez for a year or two, and statistic that is not a good start to a post high school career. similar, tell us how great non-college opportunities are ignores just how much better college educated americans has done post recession . we do not measure our personal success by our degree, and have noted we believe a degree is overrated, but ignore statistics in favor o' gut is not compelling. american companies don't agree with Gromnir, by a large margin, new jobs post recession has been for folks with college. oh, and Job Losses Hit Workers Without College Degrees The Hardest thanks to trump's inept handling o' the pandemic, his constituency (and underprivileged minority groups) has been hit particular hard by covid job losses. which brings us to the following... am glad you recognize the problem. didn't stop you. HA! Good Fun!
  16. Gromnir

    Politics 2020

    doesn't matter who invented. is how it is used and by whom. "idpol" says more 'bout those who use than it does 'bout those you claim it applies. we hear "idpol" and is not difficult to predict where a post and argument is going. you did not surprise us. shibboleth label clear appropriate. and hey, am getting how embarrassing it must be to have the old select-a-quote routine undermined by mlk in his own words. sure, you were making a kinda silly argument, but you no doubt felt pretty good that you had a quote, out of context, from mlk himself which reinforced your evils o' idpol bit. take it as a learning experience and endeavour to do better in the future. that said, we do tend to repeat self, but you didn't actual offer anything new. just the misquote. *shrug* as for oro's story o weal and woe... as a person who grew up on pine ridge, we can tell you it is possible to succeed in America and thrive no matter how impoverished one begins life. so what? anybody really wanna hear Gromnir's horatio alger story? am also much aware how easy it woulda' been for things to turn out extreme different for us. our mother developed cancer while we were in high school and we had to spend considerable time caring for her. if our grades had dropped, what then? nobody woulda' faulted us if our studies slipped a bit, but a number o' scholarships woulda' been off the table after that. is easy for us to see dozens o' critical points in our life where one small mistake or misfortune mighta' doomed our future prospects. if we came from a nice and stable middle-class family, we coulda' faced such obstacles and failed more than once... call 'em growth or learning experiences. converse, we had zero room for error. none. is all kinda wonderful anecdotal stories 'bout what can be achieved in the US. those stories is real. it is possible to go from bottom 1% to top 1% in one generation. nevertheless need be willful obtuse to ignore overwhelming statistics and realities o' life in the US. is getting more difficult to thrive in the US. is no longer possible to raise a family on a minimum wage job, which only a few decades ago were plausible. is far more difficult to move up from poverty to middle class than in previous decades. etc. and sowell is not 100% wrong on any number o' issues, however, "A Marxist radicalized into a free-market libertarian by a year working at the U.S. Labor Department, Sowell is now the go-to black academic for conservative media outlets. The son of a maid, he earned his way in the old-fashioned style to and through New York’s elite Stuyvesant High School, Harvard College, Columbia and the University of Chicago. He has waged a relentless crusade against those who would try to alleviate poverty or equalize opportunity through welfare, affirmative action or anything else that interferes with the operation of free markets."-- recent book review is not surprising a victim o' the breitbart echo chamber would glomp onto sowell. maybe you got from same place numbers got his mlk quote? dunno. as you aren't quoting or referencing any particular part o' sowell, am left to wonder what insights you derive from his books and lectures. we do note how heavily sowell relies on chance and random factors to explain disparities in income. such variables would not consistent produce the disparities we see which correspond with race. sure, chance will have a significant impact on any complex scenario with multiple and poorly understood factors contributing to the result. to interfere in such poorly understood market factors is dangerous. applies to any extreme complex economic example, but after a few million throws o' the dice, you are gonna see patterns emerge. when the patterns consistent correspond with existing racial breakdowns, it takes a particular curious act o' will to ignore the relevance o' race. generalizing taxation efforts is also ridiculous. for example, progressive taxes is much different than flat taxes. make some non specific and vague observation 'bout taxes shows a depth o' ignorance or an attempt to purposeful mislead. more than once on these boards Gromnir has observed real positive change insofar as taxes had better include an overhaul o' the current capital gains scheme, 'cause that is where most rich folks is making their money. have criticized folks like bernie and warren for their tax the rich approach w/o addressing the biggest issues. but again, repeating self... unapologetically. HA! Good Fun!
  17. Gromnir

    Politics 2020

    none of the female candidates trump is s'posed considering for the nomination pass hawley's test. you want some irony? up until a week ago, the only Justice on the Supreme Court who had public stated previous to sitting on the Court that roe v. wade were improper decided were... J. Ginsburg. The forgotten history of Justice Ginsburg’s criticism of Roe v. Wade HA! Good Fun!
  18. Gromnir

    Politics 2020

    "idpol"? another shibboleth wielder. selective quotes and a general misrepresentation o' mlk does not help your position. mlk, was not in favor o' the "black power" phrase. true. mlk focus were indeed on economic equality. is one reason we keep stressing how is the economic pain being suffered by many disenfranchised groups which should be the focus o' those wishing to bring 'bout change. however, reimagine mlk to fit your preferred version o' him is unsound. mlk would be disappointed by the inability o' those who identify as blm to better disavow and stop violence, but imply the mlk message were less 'bout race than class struggle is untenable. maybe need the full i have a dream speech I am happy to join with you today in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation. Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity. But one hundred years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languished in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. And so we've come here today to dramatize a shameful condition. ... I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow jail cells. Some of you have come from areas where your quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive. Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to South Carolina, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed. Let us not wallow in the valley of despair. again, am convinced mlk would decry the occasional violence, but am having no doubt he would support blm and what that loose confederation o' people and ideals represents. that said, Gromnir has noted more than once, and previous to the whole alt-right exploitation o' widespread white grievance bit, that the insistence on framing broader social issues as the result o' racism or as a result o' white privilege does have a tendency to further aggravate that considerable body o' white voters who has been suffering disproportionate for many years. tell a former factory worker in indiana who is working three part-time jobs and is getting further behind every month as he struggles to support his wife and two kids that he should also feel guilt 'bout his white privilege is not helping bring him into the democrat party fold. yes, the way in which overt zoning restrictions and more subtle home loan preferences denied minorities from having the same home ownership opportunities for generations (and lasting well into the 70s) created a legacy o' racial inequality, a legacy with repercussions still felt today, and unlikely to spontaneous end anytime in the near future. systemic racism is not a past tense issue, but am cognizant o' the reality that such issues cannot be framed so overt as it antagonizes that considerable body o' white voters who is also suffering. working class white voters is a reality and 2016 proved it is unwise to ignore 'em. hillary was certain she didn't need 'em. deplorables. more fool her. HA! Good Fun!
  19. joan jett is fantastic. am recalling a late 80s interview with her from some late night show and we thought she were from long island, 'cause she were talking 'bout ny as if it were her hometown, and she sounded like billy joel's little sister. has been a long time since we looked, but am pretty sure she is original from eastern pennsylvania and am knowing she went to high school in socal... or at least some o' her high school were socal. weird trivia, 'cause such is what we do. @Guard Dog referenced a movie not too long ago on these boards, the best of times. am recalling robin williams and kurt russell were s'posed taft high grads. joan jett attended taft high. oh, and as proof o' the all posts is star trek posts, tony plana, who were in the best of times, was a maquis member in a couple ds9 episodes. HA! Good Fun!
  20. Gromnir

    Politics 2020

    no. normalcy were, at the very least, pre-obama. we pointed out how the current supreme Court snafu owes its lineage to obama and harry reid, which is why we were so annoyed obama chose to inject his filibuster bit into the eulogy o' john lewis. you have no idea how difficult it is for us to not add f#@&*ing whenever we read "fillibuster." obama increased, by a significant degree, the capacity o' the fed to spy on americans and used the irs to go after the tea party. no President since lincoln imprisoned more journalists and obama's use o' executive orders (again, don't get confused by pure number o' executive orders) to avoid Congress not only led to the current administration magnifying the abuse but made it all to easy to simple end previous administration practices. etc. is hard to believe nowadays, but rust belt midwesterners voted for obama, and change. by 2016, they felt betrayed. the insanity o' the situation is that the recession were particularly hard on those folks w/o college degrees, punishing many groups o' minority voters AND undereducated white voters. legacy o' the recession is one reason we got so many protests today, and trump in the wh. is ironic, but the mistaken belief that somehow washington were ignoring red states in favor o' urban were utter bs. if not for divisive alt-right narrative which were so effective, minority groups and all those undereducated rust belt midwesterners would/should be natural allies, 'cause as a group they has all suffered disproportionate for far too long. polarization takes folks suffering many o' the same problems and turns 'em into antagonists such that now they can't even be in the same room with each other w/o a fight breaking out. oh, and again, the trump base is undereducated. some will act offended by the label but is not strict streaking pejorative. like it or not, working class whites is the trump base, and by definition that is folks who has a low incidence o' college education. how such folks voted is hardly meaningful proof that normalcy were bad. we would say is at least a strong argument in favor o' our signature. "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) is so many current problems which can be fixed with education, ignorance being one o' the more pervasive and insidious US problems. ignorance is also not pejorative in and of itself. we worked more than our fair share o' blue color jobs before we became a lawyer. ranch hand. roofing. roofing supply. landscape maintenance. the folks we worked with as we stacked +40 lb armfuls o' hurled concrete tile on the roofs o' homes we could not afford to live in were not, for the most part, dumb. they were uneducated, and their job were back breaking and arduous and whatever extra time they had were invested in overtime. little opportunity to go to college when everyday ended in exhaustion. lack o' education is a far different thing than stoopid, and stoopid itself is forgivable. is willful ignorance which should be intolerable. btw, 9/11 and patriot act sure as hell weren't normal either. regardless, normalcy is a bit further in the rearview mirror than implied. HA! Good Fun! ps we were forgetting how good were the jay pharoah impression o' obama.
  21. Gromnir

    Politics 2020

    why would you think is personal? am suspecting the real question is why you question the significance o' the post we linked, or many similar but a bit less wieldy posts we could link and has quoted. and where is the spin? we reposted your post w/o any effort to describe or characterize. am thinking this whole "spin" concept is a mystery to you. gonna accuse us o' misrepresentation or misleading? am not calling you a white supremacist or a bigot or even an anti-semite. am suspecting such would cross some kinda obsidian board line... though the line is somewhat tidal in nature. repost your posts cannot result in an accusation o' name calling and is 'bout as opposite o' mischaracterization as is possible. your posts, and words, speak for themselves and defy any attempt at spin or a pivot. somehow make this a personal quirk o' Gromnir's? HA! to stay on-topic, am more than a little concerned 'bout the Court if trump manages to install an appointment either before the election or as a lame duck. am not seeing many romneys, flakes or mccains on the democrat side o' the aisle at the moment. the current republican justification for their rush to instal a new Justice is that they got a mandate from the people. is speciscious. is a different justification than 2016. what the senate republicans have at the moment is a simple majority which confers the power to make choices. if democrats win the senate and Presidency, they will likewise have the power to add Justices to the Court. one wonders what will be the response from republicans when, sooner or later, democrats have power to do unto republicans. will sudden minority republicans nod in stoic and silent acknowledgement that the Constitution grants such power to Congress and that the American people voted creating a mandate for change? unfortunate, the President and republicans seem hellbent on doing this regardless o' the consequences. mcconnell gambled four years ago and won. a republican President were installed and a nine month delay in the nomination process proved to be an enormous strategic win for mitch. like him or hate him, but mad props to mitch for his victory. however, the stakes is much bigger this time. if mcconnell forces a replacement through (don't misunderstand 'cause this will be mitch's decision regardless o' what trump wants) and democrats win Presidency and senate, then we predict a mark anthony moment. there will be a political reckoning, and there won't be a democrat version o' mccain to stand 'gainst the tide and demand a return to normalcy. oh, and keep in mind we ain't going all fox media and predicting actual blood in the streets in an attempt to scare the +65 audience which makes up a majority o' their viewers. HA! Good Fun!
  22. trump wins reelection and then disney and microsoft merge. cyberpunk will need find a new angle 'cause their shtick will no longer be alternate reality or sci fi. HA! Good Fun!
  23. Gromnir

    Politics 2020

    oh, don't underestimate his value. we mentioned elsewhere that if there were not a person present who misunderstood the 94% silliness making its way 'mongst the covid-19 hoaxers, we would need invent such an improbable person. your mod beats us to the point almost every time. if there is bad science or pro china tyranny argument which needs be rejected, you have identified the most likely candidate to offer himself up like the staked goat in jurassic park. sure, we feel a bit guilty at times, but do not undervalue that kinda predictability. skarpen_one is preternatural capable o' misrepresenting any legal issue and yet nevertheless appears unable to restrain himself from weighing in on those issues. meet a person with a peanut allergy who literal cannot stop themselves from eating peanuts? doesn't exist, right? shouldn't possible exist. skarp_one exists. curious. oro posts such as the following: blm protesters don't deserve compassion or understanding, but white supremacists do? somehow manages to act hurt or offended when his message ain't taken more serious. serious? and am not certain what happened to vol in recent years. every bad cop encounter is by definition the fault o' blm or antifa? vol somehow is God's punishment for the 1619 project? for those o' you who wanna frame every event in US and western history as a result o' institutional supported slavery, vol exists as the extreme opposite living response. maybe one or two others... is some folks who contribute to the board not 'cause there is a point in attempting to debate 'em or move 'em or in the initial case, make 'em at least a little more self aware. those folks may nevertheless serve different purposes. they (how does the mod put it?) "qq" at being "misrepresented" with direct quotes o' their posts. is amusing stuff. oh, and is not as if they is all wrong all the time. have specific noted vol is not always wrong and have agreed with not skarp_one but the others in the past, if only extreme rare. have pointed out how am moderate terrified when vol isn't wrong as is kinda akin to deciphering a warning from Revelations in real time. HA! Good Fun!
  24. Gromnir

    Politics 2020

    another reading fail. you don't say? huh. Hu! Good Fun!
  25. Gromnir

    Politics 2020

    Trump targets Seattle, Portland, NYC, DC by threatening federal funding for ‘anarchist’ cities some o' you already forgot or never noticed? were september 2. hate to break it to @BruceVC, but this effort will be as impotent as were the near identical President's memo. furthermore, and apparent bears repeating as is not getting through, but the most consistent lawlessness being displayed in the noted cities is by the federal government sending troops where they is unwelcome and denying due process rights to detainees. keep in mind the funding cut threat were also used when trump threatened sanctuary cities over immigration issues, which an appeals Court quick and unanimous struck down on basis o' separation o' powers. much ado 'bout nothing save for what should be the recognition o' a slow and inexorable slide towards tyranny. HA! Good Fun!
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