Drowsy Emperor Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 (edited) TR reboot has taken a turn for the worse. I ended up in the island equivalent Somalia, a level called shanty town. I think I killed about a hundred people there, and besides all the killing there wasn't much to do in the level. The optional tomb (in a game called tomb raider?) took me 5 minutes to complete. In fact all the optioinal tombs aren't really whole levels, they're a single physics based puzzle and a few jumps until you reach a relic and you're done. Some of them look very nice, but they're so short the can't really be considered a significant part of the gameplay experience. In fact the gameplay is 60% shooting 40% (opitonal) exploring levels for scavenger hunt quests. If you don't do the optional stuff its almost a straight up shooter. Some of the design choices fall into the "why did you bother" category, like the skills and weapons upgrades. There are a lot of them at first, and there's the illusion that you're picking one or the other whereas you'll get almost everything inevitably. My weapons are fully modded and I have a ton of salvage that I can't spend on anything. Other modifications will unlock in time, but really, its a case of "we can't let you miss any of the content and/or not let you have something and make you feel bad". What it really is is timed unlocking of new abilities and weapons disguised as customization i.e. choice on the part of the player, where there in fact is none. It left me feeling somewhat cheated. Even though I'm having fun, and the story is still doing a good job of holding my attention, the game isn't really tomb raider. Its what I assume Uncharted plays like (I don't have a PS3). I agree with this review, although I'd grade the game a bit higher: http://www.pcgamer.com/review/tomb-raider-review/2/ Edited April 16, 2014 by Drowsy Emperor 1 И погибе Српски кнез Лазаре,И његова сва изгибе војска, Седамдесет и седам иљада;Све је свето и честито билоИ миломе Богу приступачно. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyrock Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 TR reboot has taken a turn for the worse. I ended up in the island equivalent Somalia, a level called shanty town. I think I killed about a hundred people there, and besides all the killing there wasn't much to do in the level. The optional tomb (in a game called tomb raider?) took me 5 minutes to complete. In fact all the optioinal tombs aren't really whole levels, they're a single physics based puzzle and a few jumps until you reach a relic and you're done. Some of them look very nice, but they're so short the can't really be considered a significant part of the gameplay experience. In fact the gameplay is 60% shooting 40% (opitonal) exploring levels for scavenger hunt quests. If you don't do the optional stuff its almost a straight up shooter. Some of the design choices fall into the "why did you bother" category, like the skills and weapons upgrades. There are a lot of them at first, and there's the illusion that you're picking one or the other whereas you'll get almost everything inevitably. My weapons are fully modded and I have a ton of salvage that I can't spend on anything. Other modifications will unlock in time, but really, its a case of "we can't let you miss any of the content and/or not let you have something and make you feel bad". What it really is is timed unlocking of new abilities and weapons disguised as customization i.e. choice on the part of the player, where there in fact is none. It left me feeling somewhat cheated. Even though I'm having fun, and the story is still doing a good job of holding my attention, the game isn't really tomb raider. Its what I assume Uncharted plays like (I don't have a PS3). This very much mirrors my own rant on the game some months ago when I played it, except you did it in a much more calm and rational manner, whereas my rant was a lot more bitter and hate fueled. The game skews heavily toward everything I hated about the Tomb Rider series (combat) and away from everything I loved about the series (exploration, puzzle platforming). It's a well made game, but it's a cover shooter masquerading as a Tomb Raider game, not actually a Tomb Raider game. RFK Jr 2024 "Any organization created out of fear must create fear to survive." - Bill Hicks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 GTA 4 still, just going through it doing stuff I didn't do the first time. Perhaps should also try a clean run that involves me not killing people needlessly. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGX-17 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Super Robot Wars Z3. GTA 4 still, just going through it doing stuff I didn't do the first time. Perhaps should also try a clean run that involves me not killing people needlessly. Is that even possible in a GTA game? Also, using the phrase "clean" to refer to a GTA playthrough is comically inappropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bokishi Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Gen 4, level 10 pilot in Titanfall Current 3DMark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Super Robot Wars Z3. GTA 4 still, just going through it doing stuff I didn't do the first time. Perhaps should also try a clean run that involves me not killing people needlessly. Is that even possible in a GTA game? Also, using the phrase "clean" to refer to a GTA playthrough is comically inappropriate. Hm, certainly could be - easiest is to not kill pedestrians and other drivers, harder with the shootouts. Partial enjoyment in the challenge in that regard. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillabender Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Playing Deus X:HR, and re-playing Mass Effect 1 Maybe someone could answer a question for me about Deus X – I've been doing a Pacifist playthrough, but I accidentally killed a guard while performing a take-down, and then reloaded and continued from an earlier save. Does anyone happen to know whether that might compromise getting the achievement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManifestedISO Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 TR reboot has taken a turn for the worse. I ended up in the island equivalent Somalia, a level called shanty town. I think I killed about a hundred people there, and besides all the killing there wasn't much to do in the level. The optional tomb (in a game called tomb raider?) took me 5 minutes to complete. In fact all the optioinal tombs aren't really whole levels, they're a single physics based puzzle and a few jumps until you reach a relic and you're done. Some of them look very nice, but they're so short the can't really be considered a significant part of the gameplay experience. In fact the gameplay is 60% shooting 40% (opitonal) exploring levels for scavenger hunt quests. If you don't do the optional stuff its almost a straight up shooter. Some of the design choices fall into the "why did you bother" category, like the skills and weapons upgrades. There are a lot of them at first, and there's the illusion that you're picking one or the other whereas you'll get almost everything inevitably. My weapons are fully modded and I have a ton of salvage that I can't spend on anything. Other modifications will unlock in time, but really, its a case of "we can't let you miss any of the content and/or not let you have something and make you feel bad". What it really is is timed unlocking of new abilities and weapons disguised as customization i.e. choice on the part of the player, where there in fact is none. It left me feeling somewhat cheated. Even though I'm having fun, and the story is still doing a good job of holding my attention, the game isn't really tomb raider. Its what I assume Uncharted plays like (I don't have a PS3). This very much mirrors my own rant on the game some months ago when I played it, except you did it in a much more calm and rational manner, whereas my rant was a lot more bitter and hate fueled. The game skews heavily toward everything I hated about the Tomb Rider series (combat) and away from everything I loved about the series (exploration, puzzle platforming). It's a well made game, but it's a cover shooter masquerading as a Tomb Raider game, not actually a Tomb Raider game. I remember the expletive you used wanting the game off your hard drive. I dig Lara, always have, probably always will. Except Angel of Darkness, which doesn't count. I'm hoping this Playstation Now thing will let me play the blocky originals on PS4. Not playing anything, right now. I never had a PS3, so The Last of Us on PS4 in June is what I'm waiting for, at the moment. All Stop. On Screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartimaeus Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) Playing Deus X:HR, and re-playing Mass Effect 1 Maybe someone could answer a question for me about Deus X – I've been doing a Pacifist playthrough, but I accidentally killed a guard while performing a take-down, and then reloaded and continued from an earlier save. Does anyone happen to know whether that might compromise getting the achievement? I'm almost certain you should be fine. (edit): Decided to make sure: wiki said you should be good if you reloaded. Edited April 17, 2014 by Bartimaeus Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillabender Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Playing Deus X:HR, and re-playing Mass Effect 1 Maybe someone could answer a question for me about Deus X – I've been doing a Pacifist playthrough, but I accidentally killed a guard while performing a take-down, and then reloaded and continued from an earlier save. Does anyone happen to know whether that might compromise getting the achievement? I'm almost certain you should be fine. (edit): Decided to make sure: wiki said you should be good if you reloaded. Thanks! After reading the wiki, it occurred to me that I may actually have killed a guard in the prologue chapter, thus locking out the achievement, haha. But there is always the next playthrough ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Playing Deus X:HR, and re-playing Mass Effect 1 Maybe someone could answer a question for me about Deus X – I've been doing a Pacifist playthrough, but I accidentally killed a guard while performing a take-down, and then reloaded and continued from an earlier save. Does anyone happen to know whether that might compromise getting the achievement? I'm almost certain you should be fine. (edit): Decided to make sure: wiki said you should be good if you reloaded. Thanks! After reading the wiki, it occurred to me that I may actually have killed a guard in the prologue chapter, thus locking out the achievement, haha. But there is always the next playthrough ;D Interesting coincidence but I am also playing Deus Ex:HR at the moment. I started yesterday, I am not going to follow the pacifist route though, I am one of those uses the gun and bullets to make my point "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillabender Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Playing Deus X:HR, and re-playing Mass Effect 1 Maybe someone could answer a question for me about Deus X – I've been doing a Pacifist playthrough, but I accidentally killed a guard while performing a take-down, and then reloaded and continued from an earlier save. Does anyone happen to know whether that might compromise getting the achievement? I'm almost certain you should be fine. (edit): Decided to make sure: wiki said you should be good if you reloaded. Thanks! After reading the wiki, it occurred to me that I may actually have killed a guard in the prologue chapter, thus locking out the achievement, haha. But there is always the next playthrough ;D Interesting coincidence but I am also playing Deus Ex:HR at the moment. I started yesterday, I am not going to follow the pacifist route though, I am one of those uses the gun and bullets to make my point It's become one of my all-time favourite games! Hope you have fun with it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepenthe Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I'm about to play Deus Ex :HR, it looks good. I'm excited Its better than it looks, you have the director's cut, I take it? I do indeed, any advice without spoiling the story? Remember that a headshot is a lethal takedown. Also, the ability to tear down walls could be said to... pay for itself. I just used UR DEDs for the walls until I had the spare praxis... You're a cheery wee bugger, Nep. Have I ever said that? Reapercussions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Labadal Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Baldur's Gate II. Stopped playing once Nalia complained about us not going to De'arnise Keep, so that's where my party of adventurers will head next. Then I have to play errand boy for Korgan. As I plan to keep him around 'till the end, I better help him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Interesting coincidence but I am also playing Deus Ex:HR at the moment. I started yesterday, I am not going to follow the pacifist route though, I am one of those uses the gun and bullets to make my point Unfortunately, the devs decided to penalize players XP-wise for killing people. Even more so if you kill them from a distance instead of playing the Gray Fox (10XP per kill vs ~50 IIRC). Chances are you will be swimming in upgrade points by the end of the game regardless, but early to middle game, you will feel the difference, especially as a run-and-gun playthrough will necessitate that you invest in dermal armor and stuff, delaying upgrades to hacking, etc. I just used UR DEDs for the walls until I had the spare praxis... Never thought of that tbh. Come think of it I never used explosives in that game. - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marelooke Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) Yeah a compelling story is probably one of the things that appealed to me in the TRreboot. I enjoyed the story as it unfurled and also finding the various text pieces that hinted at the back stories going on. NOTE: *minor* spoilers. TBH I thought the story started out very strong but really took a nosedive in the second half of the game. I get that Lara is supposed to be inexperienced, but apparently that equals "stupid" (it also doesn't hinder her from turning into "the terminator" halfway through the game); I facepalmed (hard) irl when she actually shouted at someone dragging a kidnapped person around. I mean, really? Ok sure, in my experience I keep my cool better than most, so maybe I can't properly relate, but I'd certainly expect that very quality in someone who's supposed to be a "leader" and a "survivor". That was the most prominent example, there were a few other things that bugged me (like her hiding things from the rest of the group for no good reason resulting in more trouble down the line). Personally I also thought the ending was pretty weak and no real reason was given why she'd continue digging through tombs after such a harrowing experience. Most sane people with that much money would stay the hell away from trouble after that. I mean she lost how many friends on that adventure? In other news, I started playing FEAR again. Damn those newfangled shooters with their aim help and other crap have made my aiming skills weak... Edited April 17, 2014 by marelooke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amentep Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 ^I understand your criticism but not really my feeling. Sure I felt it was stupid when she shouted in the scene mentioned. I didn't mind the hiding information since that seems to be a pretty common occurrence in today's fiction (heck the entire series Lost was based on people not telling things that if they had would have saved people and probably got them off the island faster). I cannot - yet I must. How do you calculate that? At what point on the graph do "must" and "cannot" meet? Yet I must - but I cannot! ~ Ro-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drowsy Emperor Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) Yeah a compelling story is probably one of the things that appealed to me in the TRreboot. I enjoyed the story as it unfurled and also finding the various text pieces that hinted at the back stories going on. NOTE: *minor* spoilers. TBH I thought the story started out very strong but really took a nosedive in the second half of the game. I get that Lara is supposed to be inexperienced, but apparently that equals "stupid" (it also doesn't hinder her from turning into "the terminator" halfway through the game); I facepalmed (hard) irl when she actually shouted at someone dragging a kidnapped person around. I mean, really? Ok sure, in my experience I keep my cool better than most, so maybe I can't properly relate, but I'd certainly expect that very quality in someone who's supposed to be a "leader" and a "survivor". That was the most prominent example, there were a few other things that bugged me (like her hiding things from the rest of the group for no good reason resulting in more trouble down the line). Personally I also thought the ending was pretty weak and no real reason was given why she'd continue digging through tombs after such a harrowing experience. Most sane people with that much money would stay the hell away from trouble after that. I mean she lost how many friends on that adventure? In other news, I started playing FEAR again. Damn those newfangled shooters with their aim help and other crap have made my aiming skills weak... I agree. After the nice platofrming on the moutnain level the second half of the game is more akin to Gears of Tomb Raider. The cinematics are great but the story and the characters (which are shallow walking stereotypes) are going nowhere. I still have a bit to play before I reach the end but the constant combat is wearing me down. Finished South Park. Its very well made and there are a lot of great ideas in it. I laughed pretty hard more than a few times. THat said, it still has the Obsidian "bug" of being rather boring to play at times. There is way too much combat, which is sort of pointless given how easy it is. There are way too many unnecessary features in the game and much of the "leveling" is fake in the sense that all classes and options are pretty much equal. My rogue ended up a straight melee powerhouse, dealing 10000 dmg per hit, which is more than double of what his abilities could do. Obsidian's lingering problem is making their games fun to play. They need to make sure the basic mechanics of the game are fun, before all other wacky ideas are put in. South park really only has two, the special abilities that open up new areas in the world (confusingly bound to 2x2 keys, gamepad style) and the combat. The former can be majorly annoying in the latter part of the game where you have to cycle through them constantly and the latter is the very outdated JRPGstyle that IMO has no place in a new RPG. Its simply inelegant and clunky and its saved only by being easy to the point of triviality. Insofar as a grade means anything I'd give SP 4/5. Edited April 17, 2014 by Drowsy Emperor 1 И погибе Српски кнез Лазаре,И његова сва изгибе војска, Седамдесет и седам иљада;Све је свето и честито билоИ миломе Богу приступачно. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyrock Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 More Call of Pripyat. I made my way to the first helicopter crash site, the one near the sawmill. I should have just went there when I was at the sawmill getting tools for Cardan, it would have saved me a walk. Oh well. After that, I went to the snork filled caverns to get snag's container. Easy peasy. Of course, I didn't give the container to Snag, because I'm shady like that, instead I had Cardan open it for me for a small fee. I kept what I needed and sold the rest, giving me enough scratch to upgrade my SVD and Viper 5 to acceptable killing machine levels. Next up I'm going to do The Hit. I had tipped off Beard earlier, so I'm going to wipe out the bandits. The weaponry I have now will be acceptable for a while. The SVD is a mean murder machine, but obviously rather situational. The Viper 5, which I like much better than the 74/2U you start with, is quite effective at short to medium range. I don't mind that it loses accuracy very rapidly at longer ranges, that's what I carry a sniper rifle around for. I like that the Viper 5 doesn't have a wild amount of recoil so that I can neatly land 3 or 4 shot bursts and rarely waste many bullets. The stopping power is... acceptable. I'm not going to waste any more money on upgrading it beyond the basic upgrades I've already had done to it, since I'll likely wind up getting something better relatively soon. My main goal right now is to get some better armor than the sunrise bodysuit you start with. RFK Jr 2024 "Any organization created out of fear must create fear to survive." - Bill Hicks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sorophx Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I found Call of Pripyat's combat rather disappointing. I don't know if it was the AI of the bandits, my inability to kill them with one head shot, general inefficiency of suppressors, or maybe it was all those things combined, but I though it was one of the worst sandbox shooters I'd ever played. Walsingham said: I was struggling to understand ths until I noticed you are from Finland. And having been educated solely by mkreku in this respect I am convinced that Finland essentially IS the wh40k universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drowsy Emperor Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 My experience was the exact opposite. Wandering about the empty buildings with that subtle music in the background in a complete exosuit with nightvision was one of the most enjoying things I've done in a shooter. Before I got those things it was nerve wracking. И погибе Српски кнез Лазаре,И његова сва изгибе војска, Седамдесет и седам иљада;Све је свето и честито билоИ миломе Богу приступачно. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyrock Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 The combat itself, once the shooting starts, in Call of Pripyat, or any of the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games is pretty mediocre, in my opinion. Everything leading up to the combat is absolutely brilliant. Trying to remain unseen and silent, crawling through the reeds, peeking around a wall, hearing sounds and trying to pinpoint their source, finding a good vantage point and looking for a good spot of cover to snipe from. Going through all the preparation only to have a blowout approach screwing everything up and turning things into a frantic scramble to get to shelter without getting gunned down. 1 RFK Jr 2024 "Any organization created out of fear must create fear to survive." - Bill Hicks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkreku Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I found Call of Pripyat's combat rather disappointing. I don't know if it was the AI of the bandits, my inability to kill them with one head shot, general inefficiency of suppressors, or maybe it was all those things combined, but I though it was one of the worst sandbox shooters I'd ever played. I hate you. 2 Swedes, go to: Spel2, for the latest game reviews in swedish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I rather like the combat in the Stalker games, hits a sweet spot between the autism of OpFlash/ Arma and the pewpewplinkplink of most other shooters. Never had a problem quickly dropping mooks with headshots either. On the other hand I really didn't like aspects of CoP, not least that I ended up with a Vintorez and plenty of ammo very quickly whereas achieving decent kit was a long but ultimately rewarding experience in SoC it felt like the stuff was handed out like lollies in CoP. Plus, for some reason they stopped doing the extremely atmospheric and utterly awesome underground levels like the X labs after SoC, and that was very disappointing. The Viper 5 grrrrrr Seriously bro, use a real names mod. I beg of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orogun01 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 After recently finishing CoP and then trying out the Misery 2.1 mod, I cannot stress this enough: don't play Misery.I think that a lot of the issues from CoP stem from the fact that it was open world, I still enjoyed it though but I kept wanting a defining moment like the construction site or the army warehouses in previous games. I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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