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Orogun01 last won the day on August 12 2015

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  1. Godwin's law has been out there for a while. Apparently Hitler did everything, he even was part of a zionist conspiracy to displace European jews to Palestine so that they could reclaim their ancestral land once the British ceased to be a colonial power, that for some reason kept the falklands isles and the rock of Gibraltar. So if you love Israel, you're like Hitler.
  2. Look, a secret hideout doesn't finance itself and the only way you can justify to the board why you need budget for a pool is as an elaborate plan to throw people to be eaten by sharks. Why do you think hideouts are always in some paradise island away from civilization?.....one man's evil lair is another man's vacation resort.
  3. You mean....Ice Cube isn't a pimp anymore????
  4. Yeah and that's why you need entrepreneurship and a variety of options, so that if the most qualified person gets fired they can compete against their former employer and beat them. Hey now that's racist talk! but seriously, there are attempts made. The biggest issue I find is the media selectively picking which black tragedy to exploit. Speaking of which Chris Rock Bring the Pain and Never Scared are some of our all time favorite stand ups.
  5. I'm not talking specifically about your background but more of the general views on this topic. If you care to share something specific we could learn more as everyone is different and have very unique life experiences. I'm mostly trying to understand where you're coming from rather than speak for you, it just seems as an outsider that you had your sights set in a very competitive field and that might have shaped your views. That was me at one point, I had my eyes set on one particular field and after failing I found other avenues along the same lines that I actually enjoy more. Again, one of the reasons why I love this country's wealth of opportunities I don't know about your particular field and the era that you come from my own workplace and former college experience there's a wealth of knowledge online that people pursuing performative jobs can benefit from. E.G: A graphics designer or a welder isn't strictly defined by their academic record as much as they are by their portfolio or their job skills. There are a lot of world class artistic talents that made into the top of the game industry without a degree, because they can do the job better than those that went to college for it. There's no one size fits all I find the overwhelming trust in statistics a bit disingenuous, for one what we usually get is an interpretation of statistics rather than the raw data or the full picture with alternate studies. I say that anecdotally bad jobs are a dime a dozen and the former trucker is now working at a supermarket. You can't measure low skilled labor the same way you measure careers. BTW, what are your thoughts on a preponderance of anecdotes, so much that they can be considered statistics? You can have reliable data; like numbers of firings, but there are also nuances specific to each sector that can only be contextualized through anecdotal data.
  6. Nope, but just after reading the summary it seems right up my alley. Thanks.
  7. See that's my problem with "making it", it is such a nebulous term that it just means nothing. My favorite definition of success comes from Dave Chappelle when talking to his father "If I can make a teacher's salary doing comedy, I think that's better than being a teacher." Rags to riches isn't the norm but is the cultural definition for a lot of people. For my part I was arguing against the idea of systemic racism being the only form of racism. People like to throw big terms to lend credence to their argument without understanding. They will say systemic when it really just meant that they were acting in aggressive manner and everyone reacted. The biggest problem I see with black culture is how little they hold each other accountable for bad behavior. That however might be just black celebrities that are protecting their image. My take is simple, who are black people most likely going to listen to: Black people or White people? Black Americans have a bigger impact on black communities simply because they gone through some of those experiences and have a better understanding of how to communicate to them. I remember Kevin Hart (I think it was the Joe Rogan Podcast) talking about how the best way to help youth in these afflicted neighborhoods is by having people that can speak to their life experience. Making it out through sport or entertainment is only the most visible way. If you get a black lawyer or a black business owner to do community outreach, that will have a great impact. It is just that the most visible black role models are in sports or entertainment. Look, I don't live in one of this state so my views come from far away observation and second hand anecdotal evidence. I watch a lot of Youtube and form my views from both the fact that a lot of Tubers living in these states have spoken about the subject of high taxes as well as seeing through my workplace people that have left these states. With Joe Rogan, Elon Musk and others quite visibly leaving California because of the conditions of the place, as well as all the strange problems borne out their policies. It paints a picture of States with a high cost of living whose extremely ideological policies have devastated their States. A good example would be how California Green policies contribute to the yearly wildfires because of their refusal to do controlled fires. They also are experiencing rolling blackouts because of their switch to exclusive solar power sources. People that I know that live there are very much looking to move.
  8. To be fair politics, history, philosophy and academic books are quite tend to be quite verbose and meander with abstractions rather than with concise example. That might be why the most successful academic books tend to be the ones with analogues and metaphor or those that have clear real life examples. They can be quite tough to get without projecting your own experiences to the subject. That's mostly why I skipped the last chapter of the Leviathan but I'm thinking that it would be interesting to go back to it because I'm now more familiar with the English civil war and have a better background on that chapter....I suppose I should explain it deals with the Ecclesiastic and their authority...and that the English Civil war was fought because taxes and other economic reasons but as any other war it was framed as religious, I mean I'm sure it contributed but I'm also sure that modern revisionism helped emphasize that aspect
  9. @Gromnir Sorry to hear about your hardship I however don't believe that you were one mistake away from "making it", that's a dubious definition of success. It is true for scholarships and it is true of your chosen field. But what I like about the US is the wealth of opportunity, people that didn't go to college have become successful and not just in entertainment but in business, journalism and other reputable professions. Right now there are a lot of industries that are turning away from colleges because of the poor education of graduates compared to someone the same amount of job experience without a college degree. Trade schools are becoming a better option, specially since they have lower costs and teach marketable jobs. Tomas Sowell was my introduction to the argument that the welfare state might be doing more harm than good to black America and I would add Hispanics as well. I've known people that used to work but are now living off welfare because it is more profitable than work. I've formerly knew of people that tried to get into welfare because the whole family was working 2 jobs. The only times they saw each other was the few hours they had each night and whenever they were working the same job. They got denied because of their hard work ethic, when their original intent was to at least quit one job so they could have something resembling a regular life. Meanwhile at the same job I would see people that were well of and clearly had money using EBT cards because they had either payed someone to adjust their application or because their recent immigrant status even though they were wealthy. A bit on context of the video (since it won't embed) a woman uses EBT cards to buy lobster for her dog at Publix, which is a pretty ubiquitous chain here in S. Florida. The aforementioned family both worked at Publix with me. I know this whole has been anecdotal and it might be a regional thing (Florida is the most corrupt state in the Union) but it has tremendously affected my view of welfare programs and how much we should favor alternative solutions to poverty. https://youtu.be/zGmQAF84tww
  10. I agree but as a counter example, not every immigrant is successful or capable of adapting. I know of Cubans that actually went back permanently because they failed to adapt, others have been expelled because of their repeat criminal activities in the US. I think what it clearly means is that there's a bigger chance of seeing those that are successful as they stay longer and become more visible. My point was to prove that there's a possibility of upper mobility, so as to undermine the idea of systemic racism. That's the key word, because there's obviously the possibility of racism, but the great thing about the US is the number of opportunities you can have or create. We are pretty much on the same page on this as well, where we differ is the source of Learned helplessness. Classical condition is a tremendous factor in the world view of a person and I saw within the US black communities a lot unchecked contempt that could only be considered racism. There were times I heard people sucking air through their teeth and be dismissive of my suggestions because of arguments that can be summarized by "The man is trying to keep us down" or that schooling and higher education was dismissed because of it being "too white". It might seem cliche but it does shape the view of many a black people when they only way they see themselves out of poverty is through music or sports. Also part of stepping ahead economically is coming up with a plan of where you want to be in the next few years. I met male nurses that come from these rough areas that made their way up the economic ladder. Because they had a plan to study and follow a career that was affordable enough and quick enough where they could see results. Tax rate, as in the percent at which you're taxed not the volume of taxes collected. It is a group of different taxes, income, property, etc etc. You add to that ideological policies that ignore economic realities and you end up with higher good costs. California is a good example since because of environmental reasons their gas cost more, that means that it costs more to transport goods so things are more expensive.
  11. I would love to hear what economic model we should have, one of the few things I think won Bernie a bunch of supporters was his claim that America was already a socialist country. On the aftermath of economic recession and corporate bailouts that did nothing. I can see why a bunch of college graduates that are joining a hostile economy and job market would lean towards socialism
  12. As a first generation immigrant I can tell you for certain that anyone can prosper in this country. People that have barely the basics of English have made a decent living, for having left their lives behind and started anew, I'd say that's a pretty good place. More so their offspring that have had more time to adapt will likely make it further than them. As a former ghetto resident, I can say that a lot of the economic pain is self inflicted and stems from cultural problems rather than systemic ones. If there's a systemic problem it might be the welfare state that incentivizes indolence and poverty Tomas Sowell has spoken a lot about this and his background is as someone from one of these communities. I find his take on the difference of a pre welfare Harlem to what it became. It is also worthy of note that the group that claims to care more about minorities is also the group that's very supportive of heavy taxation. California and NY will do a big show about how they care about minorities while have some of the biggest taxes in the country. If the purpose of welfare programs is to help people out of poverty why are they so keen to take their money when they're just barely out of the poverty threshold?
  13. I agree that there's a diversity of views but it takes a special type of person that will support a dictatorship. Venezuela still enjoys certain doubts because their government doesn't have a past as violent as the Cuban (AIFK). There were purges, the Mariel incident were dissidents and other undesirable elements were sent over, open discrimination against homosexuals ,and the dictatorship is still very open about their corruption. People in Cuban politics are either idealistic and think they can bring about change or shamelessly evil. Saying that it is a lack of Democracy is an understatement when I know Cuba has violated human rights time and time again. The focus on Democracy comes from trying to counteract some of the more appealing positions socialist parties and institutions make. Because Americans are pretty involved in their political process and because of the Bill of Rights, they rightfully fear a government that would deny them that.
  14. Nah, at this point we're family I hope no one gets to wound up about a disagreement. BTW, I haven't asked...who's the new avatar?
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