Politics US Edition (2021-vol 2)

[InsaneCommander]

 

[Raithe]

[rjshae]

Unfortunately it's not even funny.

[Malcador]

Two different things though, market regulations and Congressional regulations, no ?

But they should at least change the regulations, US still acts as if transparency with short selling is a bad thing.  Europe does it fairly differently.  In the course I have to take for work the instructor is very grouchy about EU regulations "reducing liquidity", heh.

Edited February 1, 2021 by Malcador

[ComradeYellow]

With Biden in office, can we finally get some sleep? (msn.com)

Great article.  So far Biden's policies have been sound (by American standards anyway, we're kinda bottom feeding here), as long as he doesn't flair up on foreign policy I think he'll do reasonably well.  Neo-fascists and American global domination extremists still run amok but as long as "Sleepy Joe" lives up to his name and takes regular doses of sedatives I think we'll be OK.

Who knows what Kamala would do if there comes a point where Joe can no longer function.

[Hurlshort]

2 hours ago, ComradeMaster said:

Who knows what Kamala would do if there comes a point where Joe can no longer function.

She would do pretty much the same stuff and lean on the same staff of people that Biden in currently leaning on. 

[ComradeYellow]

Glad to see people are catching on to the 2 party scam!

I always feel like I'm ahead of curb on national issues, and then when people finally catch up to where I was before my own opinion changes slightly.  Don't you just love dialectical materialism?

[Bartimaeus]

[Guard Dog]

8 hours ago, Hurlshot said:

She would do pretty much the same stuff and lean on the same staff of people that Biden in currently leaning on. 

It's hardly unheard of for a VP to radically change direction once they take over. Johnson & Johnson (Lyndon and Andrew) pursued a very different agenda than the President's they took over for. Tyler doesn't really count because he was already the opposite party and Harrison croaked so soon Tyler might as well have won the election. Ditto with Arthur although he did a decent job with what he had to work with. IMO he was a model of the efficient bureaucrat caretaker. Teddy Roosevelt was MUCH more aggressive than McKinley although they were mostly of like mind IIRC. Coolidge was one of our best POTUS ever in my opinion especially following an idiot like Harding. He cleaned up  huge mess and did it by changing nearly every domestic policy position and going much more "hand off". Ford spent so much of his two years of Nixon's term in damage control so who knows. But he was a very different man than Nixon in his own term and had a much friendlier relationship with Congress have served so long there. Plus, he never wanted to be President. 

Truman and FDR were both of like minds and Truman is the first example that comes to mind when people think of a Vice President taking over. He is likely the only example of a vice President carrying out the plans of the man he took over for rather than going a different direction. 

 

[ComradeYellow]

Yes when your predecessor was elected four times and there's still a war going on it kinda seems appropriate to keep the ball rolling.

[Pidesco]

It would have been weird if Truman had gone "screw this war, I always thought it had been a mistake, anyway" right when the US was about to win it. And of course, no Truman doctrine.

Also, saving atomic bombs for a rainy day, or something.

[Guard Dog]

Remember guys the war ended five months after Truman took office. Yes he’s not going to make any big changes to plans that were already in motion. But he very much followed Roosevelts lead in the postwar years. Including into his own term starting in ‘49. I cannot think of anything Truman did that FDR would not have done or at least approved of. Had he wanted to go in a different direction in the post war policy area he certainly could have.

another thought. I don’t know how big a player Truman was in the Roosevelt administration. Some vice president‘s are called on to do a lot some of them are never called at all. Maybe Grom or Hurlshot would know better about that one than I do. But if he were intricately involved it certainly makes sense that he would follow the course he himself helped lay out. If he were not then they were just of like mind.

Edited February 1, 2021 by Guard Dog

[Hurlshort]

LBJ took quite a bit of what JFK had begun and supersized it. The Civil Rights Act and Vietnam, namely.  

[Guard Dog]

12 minutes ago, Hurlshot said:

LBJ took quite a bit of what JFK had begun and supersized it. The Civil Rights Act and Vietnam, namely.  

I hate to say this but had it not been for Kennedy being murdered there’s a good chance the civil rights act doesn’t pass. It was facing a lot of opposition and a good deal of that was from his own party.

[BruceVC]

22 minutes ago, Guard Dog said:

I hate to say this but had it not been for Kennedy being murdered there’s a good chance the civil rights act doesn’t pass. It was facing a lot of opposition and a good deal of that was from his own party.

GD you still need to discover the events that lead to the greatest injustice the world has ever seen since the Dark Ages 

We need to know who decided to blame " white, male privlidege " for all the woes of the world and the perceived general benightedness of our  societies

That is the real question !!!

[BruceVC]

41 minutes ago, Hurlshot said:

LBJ took quite a bit of what JFK had begun and supersized it. The Civil Rights Act and Vietnam, namely.  

Yeah Vietnam, that was also the time where we saw the genesis of the Hippie movement and extreme far left liberal ideas that threaten to destroy our happy and prosperous ways of life 

Hurlshot we must always be on watch for well meaning but harmful socialist policies ....never forget the lessons from the Cold War 

[Guard Dog]

Another thing that might not of happened had Kennedy not been assassinated was the Apollo program. I don’t know how much you guys remember or know about it but after the Apollo 1 accident the knives were out from a lot of people in Congress who thought the whole thing was a waste of money anyway. One of the biggest opponents to Apollo was Walter Mondale who would one day run for president. Despite being from Kennedy’s own party. Sympathy for Kennedy went a long way towards saving the moon program.

[Malcador]

Sounds like JFK getting assassinated worked out well in the long term.  They owe Ted Cruz's dad a medal.

Edited February 1, 2021 by Malcador

[Guard Dog]

Well there was a real good shot he was going to be reelected. He had pretty good popularity going into the 1964 election. How well his second term went would depend a lot on congressional outcomes as well as the size of his victory. But it wasn’t a gimme. It’s conceivable he could’ve lost. What effect that might’ve had it’s hard to say. If he came out of the 64 election with a big win it’s most likely he could’ve weathered any of the storms that blew up after the Apollo one fire.

to tell you the truth I think the assassination of Robert Kennedy was probably more significant in terms of its impact on the future. The Democratic Party back then was separating into two very different groups. The Kennedy wing on one side and the McGovern wing on the other. Without RFK McGovern became the standard bearer. The Democrat party lurched to the left and it was a move the country was not ready to follow. That led to Nixon being elected and to tell you the truth probably led to Reagan being elected 12 years later. If RFK survives and wins in 68 it’s conceivable Nixon never becomes president. If that’s the case Ford would never have become president. If Ford never runs Reagan never has his opportunity which stemmed largely from primary challenges to  Ford. The assassination of Robert Kennedy set a lot of things into motion that are still happening to this day.

Edited February 1, 2021 by Guard Dog

[Gfted1]

Did you skip over Carter?

[Amentep]

I doubt you'd get Carter; the democratic candidates who had the most success in the primaries of 1976 weren't national politicians (Brown, Wallace and Carter), which in itself suggests the party was looking for something not connected with national politics as a reaction to Nixon.  You'd probably get RFK's VP vs Reagan in 1976 (assuming RFK got two terms).

[melkathi]

This article made me chuckle in a patronising European way.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/01/us/capitol-rioters-non-voters-invs/index.html

[Guard Dog]

2 hours ago, melkathi said:

This article made me chuckle in a patronising European way.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/01/us/capitol-rioters-non-voters-invs/index.html

 

[Gorth]

9 hours ago, Guard Dog said:

Well there was a real good shot

And they still argue today if Oswald acted on his own initiative

 

Edit: I know, selective quoting changes the meaning of the sentence a bit, but it's one of those "mysteries" where my curiosity gets the better of me and I would love to know the whole story, even its very simple, he just did because he felt like it. Similar to Jack the Ripper. To be a fly on the wall and figure out the actual truth of the guy. Yes, I'm weird like that.

[Gromnir]

2 hours ago, Gorth said:

And they still argue today if Oswald acted on his own initiative

 

Edit: I know, selective quoting changes the meaning of the sentence a bit, but it's one of those "mysteries" where my curiosity gets the better of me and I would love to know the whole story, even its very simple, he just did because he felt like it. Similar to Jack the Ripper. To be a fly on the wall and figure out the actual truth of the guy. Yes, I'm weird like that.

in spite o' being a multiple award winner, libra is one o' the books by delillo which is rare mentioned when cataloging his best works. were a fascinating read and tonal unique compared to previous and subsequent works. delillo loses us when he indulges his philosophical pretentions, but with libra kept us engaged with a yarn o' improbable (and sometimes terrifying) inevitabilities. is fiction. real people. real dates. real events. nevertheless, in the gaps 'tween real, delillo colors with crayons which don't match any known shades o' real. libra is not pretending to be anything other than the fictive dream o' an author with similar curiosity as gorth.

am recommending. 

HA! Good Fun!