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1 hour ago, Boeroer said:

India has a region where people either elect the local socialists or the communists - and it's the region with the best overall figures afaik. Calling India fascist is pretty wild, even if rising nationalism is a concern. But then you need to call all western democracies who currently see a surge of right wing populism and nationalism fascist countries. That would include Sweden, Poland, Hungary and Germany as well I guess... 😕

Fremskrittspartiet in Norway is also making headway for what its worth.

Civilization, in fact, grows more and more maudlin and hysterical; especially under democracy it tends to degenerate into a mere combat of crazes; the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary. - H.L. Mencken

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2 hours ago, Boeroer said:

India has a region where people either elect the local socialists or the communists - and it's the region with the best overall figures afaik. Calling India fascist is pretty wild, even if rising nationalism is a concern. But then you need to call all western democracies who currently see a surge of right wing populism and nationalism fascist countries. That would include Sweden, Poland, Hungary and Germany as well I guess... 😕 

While India is not a fascist country, Modi's actions since elected are worrying for the state of democracy in India. It wouldn't be out of line to call him India's Orbán.

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3 minutes ago, Pidesco said:

While India is not a fascist country, Modi's actions since elected are worrying for the state of democracy in India. It wouldn't be out of line to call him India's Orbán.

One of the problems with using words like fascism is it gets  thrown  around so quickly nowadays its clear many people who use the word dont know what it means anymore

Its " woke " to use words like that, similar to some of the BLM responses where their is this objective to take down all statues that people think are linked to colonialism and racism even if these statues are about people who are not related to these things 

 

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36 minutes ago, Azdeus said:

Fremskrittspartiet in Norway is also making headway for what its worth.

And I dont consider any of those countries, including Norway, even remotely fascist 

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Just now, BruceVC said:

And I dont consider any of those countries, including Norway, even remotely fascist 

There's a clear case to be made regarding Hungary, I'd say. While it is not fascist in the strictest sense of the word, Orbán seems to be making an active and successful effort in making Hungary less democratic. I've seen his government called "soft fascism."

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12 minutes ago, Pidesco said:

There's a clear case to be made regarding Hungary, I'd say. While it is not fascist in the strictest sense of the word, Orbán seems to be making an active and successful effort in making Hungary less democratic. I've seen his government called "soft fascism."

Yes I share your concerns with Hungary, the only consideration  to his actions is would he have become so soft fascist if the initial refugee problem was not forced on all EU countries ? As far as I remember that is when he really started becoming more authoritative around  anti-EU laws and regulations 

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1 hour ago, Azdeus said:

Fremskrittspartiet in Norway is also making headway for what its worth.

They're actually less popular than they used to be. They've seen up to 15% of the votes in earlier elections, now they're polled at around 8%.

As far as "far right" parties go, they're kind of mild and hard to categorize. They attract the nationalist loonies though, that's for sure, and I wonder how they'll fare with if Sylvi Listhaug ( https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-36102329 )becomes their new leader, which looks like it'll happen.

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2 minutes ago, Maedhros said:

They're actually less popular than they used to be. They've seen up to 15% of the votes in earlier elections, now they're polled at around 8%.

As far as "far right" parties go, they're kind of mild and hard to categorize. They attract the nationalist loonies though, that's for sure, and I wonder how they'll fare with if Sylvi Listhaug ( https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-36102329 )becomes their new leader, which looks like it'll happen.

Maedhros I am really enjoying the Norwegian series Lilyhammer, I even got some of family to watch it and they loving it

Is that series accurate around Norwegian culture ? Norway does seem like a great country to live in even if it is a little unusual for foreigners 

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52 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

Yes I share your concerns with Hungary, the only consideration  to his actions is would he have become so soft fascist if the initial refugee problem was not forced on all EU countries ? As far as I remember that is when he really started becoming more authoritative around  anti-EU laws and regulations 

The inflection point was actually the economic crisis. It, with a little help from the refugee crisis, basically allowed right wingers everywhere to lean on foreigner scaremongering. "your life is in the crapper and it's their fault, vote for us"

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22 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

Maedhros I am really enjoying the Norwegian series Lilyhammer, I even got some of family to watch it and they loving it

Is that series accurate around Norwegian culture ? Norway does seem like a great country to live in even if it is a little unusual for foreigners 

I have it on good authority Beforeigners is more accurate. Time travel is a huge social issue in Norway.

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