Malcador Posted February 11, 2020 Posted February 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Hurlshot said: I'm curious what subjects you think western games are not addressing? Hookers. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Hurlshort Posted February 11, 2020 Posted February 11, 2020 46 minutes ago, Malcador said: Hookers. Red Dead Redemption 2. I mean, it even had realistic horse testicles!
Gfted1 Posted February 11, 2020 Posted February 11, 2020 GTA says hi, then runs over the hooker. 1 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Malcador Posted February 11, 2020 Posted February 11, 2020 17 minutes ago, Hurlshot said: Red Dead Redemption 2. I mean, it even had realistic horse testicles! But does it have realistic breast physics ? No, the West has ceded that to the Japanese! Probably some other edgelord type content Western developers won't put in, either. 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
213374U Posted February 11, 2020 Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Hurlshot said: 1 hour ago, Malcador said: Hookers. Red Dead Redemption 2. I mean, it even had realistic horse testicles! The drug-addled, Exploited by the Patriarchy™ and possible victim of abuse or human trafficking portrayal is a dime a dozen, no doubt. Try to go a bit deeper and the twitter slacktivist hordes are going to fall on you like a ton of bricks. I think it's also useful to distinguish between games in general and AAA titles with hundreds of millions invested in marketing efforts that can be undone by (social) media hysteria. You aren't going to find many groundbreaking counter-cultural achievements in the latter category, for obvious reasons. Edited February 11, 2020 by 213374U more edge needed 1 - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
Maedhros Posted February 11, 2020 Posted February 11, 2020 Isometric RPGs are nearly all very boring. Most lauded games are well crafted, but are also dull and a chore to play. Red Dead Redemption 2 comes to mind.
Gromnir Posted February 11, 2020 Posted February 11, 2020 On 2/8/2020 at 2:29 PM, ShadySands said: I don't have strong opinions about this! how strongly do you feel bout that? am knowing it were intentional, but makes our brain itch seeing you take a position o' relative indifference and then using an exclamation point to do so. unpopular opinions, none o' which we feels particular strong 'bout: rtwp v tb is stuff folks get their panties in a twist 'bout but ain't near as important as most suggest! chris avellone, excepting the ravel puzzlewell character from ps:t, is overrated! fallout's SPECIAL is not special! sci fi v. fantasy setting choice is even less important a consideration than rtwp v. tb! amongst the worst mistakes a game developer could make is to give fans what they want! balance is a vital concern in any crpg! HA! Good Fun! 2 1 "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
Mamoulian War Posted February 11, 2020 Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Hurlshot said: I'm curious what subjects you think western games are not addressing? The subject of tentacles in a cultural daily life of ladies in post-modern society, for example Edited February 11, 2020 by Mamoulian War 1 3 1 Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours
Amentep Posted February 11, 2020 Posted February 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Gromnir said: sci fi v. fantasy setting choice is even less important a consideration than rtwp v. tb! For all intents and purposes sci fi games and fantasy games seem to be the same thing if you remove the cosmetics. I cannot - yet I must. How do you calculate that? At what point on the graph do "must" and "cannot" meet? Yet I must - but I cannot! ~ Ro-Man
Chilloutman Posted February 11, 2020 Posted February 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Mamoulian War said: The subject of tentacles in a cultural daily life of ladies in post-modern society, for example so you are on same boat with my opinions stated previously. I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
ComradeYellow Posted February 11, 2020 Posted February 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Maedhros said: Isometric RPGs are nearly all very boring. In my experience only stupid people are attracted to isometric RPG's with excess mechanical features. Smart people seem to be attracted to graphics-rich atmospheric games that are simplified. You would think it would be the opposite but the human psyche is indeed very strange. 1 1
Vaeliorin Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 BG2 is the worst Infinity Engine game. Also, BG2 has a lot (and I mean a lot) of terrible writing. Very few games labelled as RPGs these days are actually RPGs
Hurlshort Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 MLB The Show is the greatest RPG ever created. 1
kirottu Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 Raiding in MMORPGs is same as group dancing. 5 1 This post is not to be enjoyed, discussed, or referenced on company time.
Pidesco Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 8 hours ago, Hurlshot said: MLB The Show is the greatest RPG ever created. This but The Sims 2, instead. "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian tourist I am Dan Quayle of the Romans. I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands. Heja Sverige!! Everyone should cuffawkle more. The wrench is your friend.
Gorth Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 13 hours ago, ComradeMaster said: In my experience only stupid people are attracted to isometric RPG's with excess mechanical features. Hey. watch who you call stupid! I wouldn't want to miss out on the countless thousands hours of fun that games like Jagged Alliance 2 and X-Com 3 gave me (and still give me) for some hollow, dull game play with shiny packaging 1 “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein
LadyCrimson Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 32 minutes ago, Gorth said: with shiny packaging After I built a new rig I want shiny packaging sometimes. Because it looks great on the 4k TV and is super immersive in a visceral way, and I like having that experience. Problem is, 98% of games that have such shiny packaging aren't games I want to actually play, or don't have an art style/setting I like. Thus I either fire up FFXV for the millionth time or I'm playing an older game I could've played on my ancient previous rig and I wonder why I ... “Things are as they are. Looking out into the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.” – Alan Watts
Malcador Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 This thread is eventually going to go this way 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
ComradeYellow Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Gorth said: Hey. watch who you call stupid! I wouldn't want to miss out on the countless thousands hours of fun that games like Jagged Alliance 2 and X-Com 3 gave me (and still give me) for some hollow, dull game play with shiny packaging It's all about gravitation from concepts. Let's face it, there's a lot of stupid mother****ers who still clamor for Old Skool games and there's plenty of con artists out there trying to cater to such people and take their money. At the same time, there's people like me who hate drab and lifeless glitzy games with no sustenance but at the same time are eager to evolve and enhance these modern designs. Evolution from modern concepts > devolution from old concepts. Edited February 12, 2020 by ComradeMaster
Chilloutman Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 for me its all about depth of mechanics. I just like more chess than checkers 1 I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Gfted1 Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 I kinda hit a wall wrt "mechanics". Is it Grim Dawn with the crazy ability tree? Gave up. Also every 4x game seems to overload me with choices. EDIT: Whats the game where the ability trees are like a zodiac? EDIT 2: Ok, maybe "zodiac" is a bad description. There are ~6 (7,8 ?) ability trees you can invest in and, iirc, they are shaped like animals? "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Chilloutman Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 Just now, Gfted1 said: I kinda hit a wall wrt "mechanics". Is it Grim Dawn with the crazy ability tree? Gave up. Also every 4x game seems to overload me with choices. you are weak! 1 I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
ComradeYellow Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 Witcher 3 style leveling "mechanics" (that word is going to become redundant real fast!) is probably the best basis for modern games/rpgs/Arpgs whatever. You have three color coded skills and you define which color blend reflects you best. It's simple yet complex at the same time.
Hurlshort Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Gfted1 said: I kinda hit a wall wrt "mechanics". Is it Grim Dawn with the crazy ability tree? Gave up. Also every 4x game seems to overload me with choices. EDIT: Whats the game where the ability trees are like a zodiac? EDIT 2: Ok, maybe "zodiac" is a bad description. There are ~6 (7,8 ?) ability trees you can invest in and, iirc, they are shaped like animals? Skyrim?
the_dog_days Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 4 hours ago, Gfted1 said: I kinda hit a wall wrt "mechanics". Is it Grim Dawn with the crazy ability tree? Gave up. Also every 4x game seems to overload me with choices. EDIT: Whats the game where the ability trees are like a zodiac? EDIT 2: Ok, maybe "zodiac" is a bad description. There are ~6 (7,8 ?) ability trees you can invest in and, iirc, they are shaped like animals? 55 minutes ago, Hurlshot said: Skyrim? Path of Exile.
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