Volourn Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 (edited) Do your own search. His views aren't hard to find. I'd rather not quote and speak on his behalf when you can get his beliefs from his own mouth.HINT: 'Micro aggressions'. Edited February 5, 2017 by Volourn DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Do your own search. His views aren't hard to find. I'd rather not quote and speak on his behalf when you can get his beliefs from his own mouth.HINT: 'Micro aggressions'. I didnt want to do my own research for a reason, I already dont like Milo and I would have guessed he would be dismissive towards the LGBT community. That would have just confirmed a few things for me and irritated me even more and I am trying to not judge him on SJ values "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majestic Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Heh, and the VW project was basically a giant Ponzi scheme, since barely a single volk got his wagen out of all their contributions and the factories ended up producing tanks instead of cars. FTR, my copy of the Concise Oxford Dictionary, published 1976, defines fascism as "..system of extreme right wing or authoritarian views". Clearly corrupted by SJWs, 41 years ago. Clearly Google has a Timelord in their employ. Or possibly the Count de Saint-Germain, the original time travelling, immortal alchemist. Hm, now that I think of it, Larry Page does look a bit like the good old count. That's worth investigating. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 "he would be dismissive towards the LGBT community" Oh, youa re one of THOSE. Last I checked, Milo is gay, so he is already a part of the 'LGBT community'... but, forgot he doesn't have the proper groupthink. L0L Also, to hear him talk, he REALLY likes black men. :D 1 DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Dagon Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Now. Did his policies have an ostensibly different effect to those of Uncle Joe next door? To the average citizen, probably not, as within a decade, both countries were totalitarian hellholes. But that's because both sought to create an all-encompassing state that was inseparable from the national culture, and in that light, any policies they may have adopted or paid lip service to were simply a means to an end, absolute power.OK, so what are we arguing about, this is exactly the opposite of a Jeffersonian democracy, which is what American right is all about. As Mussolini put it: "All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."Sounds like socialism to me. Communists are international socialists and fascists are national socialists. WOD what is the appeal with Milo from a Breitbart and member perspective? What do people like about him, is it how he attacks the left or something else?I don't really follow Milo but I think it's because he's really smart and likes to stick it to the left. "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 "he would be dismissive towards the LGBT community" Oh, youa re one of THOSE. Last I checked, Milo is gay, so he is already a part of the 'LGBT community'... but, forgot he doesn't have the proper groupthink. L0L Also, to hear him talk, he REALLY likes black men. :D "" he REALLY likes black men " I could explain what I mean about Milo but I dont think it really matters to you and I am not being condescending just honest? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIKP-22Qx7o DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Milo is defintely a bottom for tall black men. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majestic Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 OK, so what are we arguing about, this is exactly the opposite of a Jeffersonian democracy, which is what American right is all about. Huh, so, every ideal that isn't espoused by the American "Jeffersonian" democratic right is automatically leftist? Does that make Pinochet a commie too? Cuz... nah. Right wing forms of government can't possibly be authoritarian. That trait is leftist. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oerwinde Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 I can't imagine how bad Baldwin Trump must've been if this was the good one... Huh. Well I know humor can be subjective, but I'm a bit surprised that wasn't worth at least a chuckle for you. I mean, they nailed the makeup, CNN is wearing a diaper, she pulls out a super soaker. Honestly I thought it was pretty spot on. This is my favourite Trump impersonator. I think one of the big problems when it comes to describing something as right wing, is people have different definitions of right wing. Conservatives see the right wing as championing small government and personal liberty, "Liberals" see nationalism as the only requirement for being right wing. As much as Stephen Molyneux has some questionable arguments, he is right that you need to define terms before entering a debate, as arguing with different definitions I would say is the biggest source of political disagreement. The area between the balls and the butt is a hotbed of terrorist activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Dagon Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 OK, so what are we arguing about, this is exactly the opposite of a Jeffersonian democracy, which is what American right is all about. Huh, so, every ideal that isn't espoused by the American "Jeffersonian" democratic right is automatically leftist? Does that make Pinochet a commie too? Cuz... nah. Right wing forms of government can't possibly be authoritarian. That trait is leftist. Pinochet wasn't a socialist, quite the opposite. "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 (edited) Sounds like socialism to me. Communists are international socialists and fascists are national socialists. Sure does, except not at all. Socialism is about "social" (collective and democratic) ownership of the means of production. That's it. Do you see the state mentioned anywhere? And since every single President in the last 80 years has expanded the state, that means the Republicans among them were actually *gasp* socialists, according to the logic you're following. OK, so what are we arguing about, this is exactly the opposite of a Jeffersonian democracy, which is what American right is all about. Huh, so, every ideal that isn't espoused by the American "Jeffersonian" democratic right is automatically leftist? Yeah, pretty much. The idea is to redefine what "right-wing" means, to exclude everything that isn't "free trade and small government", even if that means leaving out anything from traditional examples of right-wing ideology (cf. Kinder, Küche, Kirche) to the original right-wing, those who literally sat on the right side, and who supported authoritarianism as embodied by the French mother****ing king. Nevermind that "free trade and small government" already has a closer fitting denomination -- libertarianism. But if we use it, maybe we can't pin every calamity that has befallen humanity since the French Revolution on "socialists". Edited February 6, 2017 by 213374U - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Dagon Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 How do you collectively own something without the government owning it? Any historical examples? And why is "democratic" part of the definition? "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexx Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 It feels weird to me that people nowadays say Hitler and all the jazz around him was left-wing, while we always learned in school that he was extreme right-wing. For years, it was clearly right-wing, I had yet to meet a single person who said otherwise. Not now anymore. Suddenly our violent dumbnut skinhead friends from back in school are the good guys and the actual left. Not exactly sure what to make of it, to be honest. 1 "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 (edited) Blame it on the internet, now you can have people blame nazi = right wing on google and others will actually believe it because it fits their preconceived notions. How do you collectively own something without the government owning it? Any historical examples? And why is "democratic" part of the definition? Easily. Publicly Listed Cimpanies are collectively owned and are not owned by the government, they're also at least theoretically little d democratic. Otherwise, Co-Ops, syndicates, Apoism etc etc, they're even properly democratic. Personally, I'd get rid of 'democratic' though, and go for the straight 2-axes political compass style set up of having left (socialist) and right (capitalist) with both of those being independent of the authoritarian (statist, undemocratic)/ anarchism (libertarianism, democratic) axis. Edited February 6, 2017 by Zoraptor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartimaeus Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 I can't imagine how bad Baldwin Trump must've been if this was the good one... Huh. Well I know humor can be subjective, but I'm a bit surprised that wasn't worth at least a chuckle for you. I mean, they nailed the makeup, CNN is wearing a diaper, she pulls out a super soaker. Honestly I thought it was pretty spot on. It might have been somewhat better if it wasn't for the idiotic laugh track that was utterly ruining her delivery. ...And I didn't much like her delivery or this style of humor to begin with. Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 It feels weird to me that people nowadays say Hitler and all the jazz around him was left-wing, while we always learned in school that he was extreme right-wing. For years, it was clearly right-wing, I had yet to meet a single person who said otherwise. Not now anymore. Suddenly our violent dumbnut skinhead friends from back in school are the good guys and the actual left. Not exactly sure what to make of it, to be honest. Obvious evidence of left-wingist indoctrination of our youth 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 I can't imagine how bad Baldwin Trump must've been if this was the good one... Huh. Well I know humor can be subjective, but I'm a bit surprised that wasn't worth at least a chuckle for you. I mean, they nailed the makeup, CNN is wearing a diaper, she pulls out a super soaker. Honestly I thought it was pretty spot on. It might have been somewhat better if it wasn't for the idiotic laugh track that was utterly ruining her delivery. ...And I didn't much like her delivery or this style of humor to begin with. That's not a laugh track, SNL is a live show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartimaeus Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 (edited) then they should've shut the heck up, they weren't even letting her do her bit before they started laughing about nothing, Edited February 6, 2017 by Bartimaeus Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 SNL was pretty bad to be honest. It feels weird to me that people nowadays say Hitler and all the jazz around him was left-wing, while we always learned in school that he was extreme right-wing. For years, it was clearly right-wing, I had yet to meet a single person who said otherwise. Not now anymore. Suddenly our violent dumbnut skinhead friends from back in school are the good guys and the actual left. Not exactly sure what to make of it, to be honest. My understanding is that the socialist wing of the NSDAP(Rohm and the Strassers I believe) was purged, with the exception of maybe Goebbels, to appease wealthy backers after which that whole privatization stuff we already talked about in the thread happened. Regardless his actions seemed closer to the liberal and conservative parties of today than the socdem policies of other western states at the time, and certainly even farther away from the socialist polices of the ML states or revolutionary Catalonia. And I think discussing what they actually did as opposed to what they called themselves is more relevant to identifying ideology or policy. "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "I'm gonna hunt you down so that I can slap you square in the mouth." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "Am I phrasing in the most negative light for them? Yes, but it's not untrue." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elerond Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 How do you collectively own something without the government owning it? Any historical examples? And why is "democratic" part of the definition? For example share ownership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 It feels weird to me that people nowadays say Hitler and all the jazz around him was left-wing, while we always learned in school that he was extreme right-wing. For years, it was clearly right-wing, I had yet to meet a single person who said otherwise. Not now anymore. Suddenly our violent dumbnut skinhead friends from back in school are the good guys and the actual left. Not exactly sure what to make of it, to be honest. What's most hilarious of all is that across the pond 'Democrats' aka 'liberals' are considered 'leftist'. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 How do you collectively own something without the government owning it? Any historical examples? And why is "democratic" part of the definition? For example share ownership. Yes, this and agreements like trusts, partnerships and hedge fund investment or just normal investments that buy assets for the the financial return So there are numerous ways to share ownership and the dividends and profitability "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 How do you collectively own something without the government owning it? Any historical examples? And why is "democratic" part of the definition? For example share ownership. Yes, this and agreements like trusts, partnerships and hedge fund investment or just normal investments that buy assets for the the financial return So there are numerous ways to share ownership and the dividends and profitability I don't think this was what "collective own" means. We have that now, it just means there is more than a single person as owner. Almost all big companies have shareholders, but does that mean they belong "to the people"? No, the people who own shares dont technically own the company but rather benefit from profit in the form of dividends And no the company has no responsibility to anyone outside of the shareholders, management and board of directors "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raithe Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Just to throw in the non-Trump and non-Brexit related politics here.. New York Times - Japan considering shift to female Heirs to the Imperial Throne. "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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