Should the UK leave the EU?

[Malcador]

Statement from Trump:

 

Statement Regarding British Referendum on E.U. Membership

 

The people of the United Kingdom have exercised the sacred right of all free peoples. They have declared their independence from the European Union, and have voted to reassert control over their own politics, borders and economy. A Trump Administration pledges to strengthen our ties with a free and independent Britain, deepening our bonds in commerce, culture and mutual defense. The whole world is more peaceful and stable when our two countries – and our two peoples – are united together, as they will be under a Trump Administration.

 

Come November, the American people will have the chance to re-declare their independence. Americans will have a chance to vote for trade, immigration and foreign policies that put our citizens first. They will have the chance to reject today’s rule by the global elite, and to embrace real change that delivers a government of, by and for the people. I hope America is watching, it will soon be time to believe in America again.

Well that filled the BS quota for today

[BruceVC]

 

Statement from Trump:

 

Statement Regarding British Referendum on E.U. Membership

 

The people of the United Kingdom have exercised the sacred right of all free peoples. They have declared their independence from the European Union, and have voted to reassert control over their own politics, borders and economy. A Trump Administration pledges to strengthen our ties with a free and independent Britain, deepening our bonds in commerce, culture and mutual defense. The whole world is more peaceful and stable when our two countries – and our two peoples – are united together, as they will be under a Trump Administration.

 

Come November, the American people will have the chance to re-declare their independence. Americans will have a chance to vote for trade, immigration and foreign policies that put our citizens first. They will have the chance to reject today’s rule by the global elite, and to embrace real change that delivers a government of, by and for the people. I hope America is watching, it will soon be time to believe in America again.

Well that filled the BS quota for today

 

I wish Trump would keep quiet and stop pretending his political agenda is the same as why the UK left the EU

 

You see to Trump the entire world needs someone like him to " fix things " .....the arrogance of the man never ceases to surprise me 

[licketysplit]

So what's the fallout from this? Is it going to be as bad as the regressives on Twitter say it will be? 

[HoonDing]

Drumpf's counting on ppl who vote solely to show a middlefinger to the establishment so it makes sense.

[Raithe]

[BruceVC]

So what's the fallout from this? Is it going to be as bad as the regressives on Twitter say it will be? 

No its not, ignore what people on Twitter say

 

There are many different negative views on this development  which ones are you referring to?

[Leferd]

Probably somewhere in between the Europocalypse and Pax Brittannia.

[licketysplit]

 

So what's the fallout from this? Is it going to be as bad as the regressives on Twitter say it will be? 

No its not, ignore what people on Twitter say

 

There are many different negative views on this development  which ones are you referring to?

 

 

I'm not properly educated on the matter. I was referring to a lot of reactionary tripe on social media denouncing the patriarchy and such. Haven't seen many examples of how this will be bad for the UK, which is why I ask. 

[Leferd]

 

 

 

 

So what's the fallout from this? Is it going to be as bad as the regressives on Twitter say it will be?

No its not, ignore what people on Twitter say

 

There are many different negative views on this development which ones are you referring to?

I'm not properly educated on the matter. I was referring to a lot of reactionary tripe on social media denouncing the patriarchy and such. Haven't seen many examples of how this will be bad for the UK, which is why I ask.

Here's a level headed primer: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/brexit-britain-votes-to-leave-european-union/

[BruceVC]

 

 

So what's the fallout from this? Is it going to be as bad as the regressives on Twitter say it will be? 

No its not, ignore what people on Twitter say

 

There are many different negative views on this development  which ones are you referring to?

 

 

I'm not properly educated on the matter. I was referring to a lot of reactionary tripe on social media denouncing the patriarchy and such. Haven't seen many examples of how this will be bad for the UK, which is why I ask. 

 

You right about all the tripe on social media but just so I understand when you say  patriarchy what do you mean in context to the BREXIT development ?

Edited June 24, 2016 by BruceVC

[Wrath of Dagon]

David Burge @iowahawkblog

The most terrifying thing about a European breakup: American college students will have to remember the names of the countries they're in.

[Mamoulian War]

 

This one petition is interesting:  Make London independent from UK.

 

The comments on it on Ars Technica UK:

 

 

Apparently it's not completely impossible, either: a professor from the LSE told the BBC that Khan is "well within his rights to tell the government London didn't vote for Brexit and that City Hall now viewed the government as dysfunctional," thus triggering a process where London could become an independent city-state.

 

 

more than 41,000 votes already...

 

https://www.change.org/p/sadiq-khan-declare-london-independent-from-the-uk-and-apply-to-join-the-eu

That is never going to happen and any suggestion to do so is idiotic 

 

Please elaborate on this

[BruceVC]

 

 

This one petition is interesting:  Make London independent from UK.

 

The comments on it on Ars Technica UK:

 

 

Apparently it's not completely impossible, either: a professor from the LSE told the BBC that Khan is "well within his rights to tell the government London didn't vote for Brexit and that City Hall now viewed the government as dysfunctional," thus triggering a process where London could become an independent city-state.

 

 

more than 41,000 votes already...

 

https://www.change.org/p/sadiq-khan-declare-london-independent-from-the-uk-and-apply-to-join-the-eu

That is never going to happen and any suggestion to do so is idiotic 

 

Please elaborate on this

 

London is the capital of the UK

 

It would be like suggesting that Paris is going to become independent to France

 

London and the UK are inextricably linked..how would you ever separate  the 2 is not politically or legally possibly  

[Mamoulian War]

Again, the quote, which was heard on BBC:

 

 

Apparently it's not completely impossible, either: a professor from the LSE told the BBC that Khan is "well within his rights to tell the government London didn't vote for Brexit and that City Hall now viewed the government as dysfunctional," thus triggering a process where London could become an independent city-state.

 

That something is linked, does not mean it could not be separated, if people in charge decide, that it's right thing to do.

 

For me EU and UK was also linked, and now we see them going separate ways *shrugs*

[Hassat Hunter]

So what's the fallout from this? Is it going to be as bad as the regressives on Twitter say it will be?

According to pre-referendum statements we'll soon see World War III erupt... *takes popcorn*

[Volourn]

London is not going to leave Britain. That is just stupid talk.

[BruceVC]

Again, the quote, which was heard on BBC:

 

 

Apparently it's not completely impossible, either: a professor from the LSE told the BBC that Khan is "well within his rights to tell the government London didn't vote for Brexit and that City Hall now viewed the government as dysfunctional," thus triggering a process where London could become an independent city-state.

 

That something is linked, does not mean it could not be separated, if people in charge decide, that it's right thing to do.

 

For me EU and UK was also linked, and now we see them going separate ways *shrugs*

But the EU and the UK  are 2 separate entities and politically you can move the two apart..you cant separate  a capital city from a country like the UK. The 2 examples are different 

 

I dont care what any professor says, there is no legal historical precedent that even remotely is similar to the suggestion that London will become  its own independent city state ....seriously the idea is not possible

[redneckdevil]

Are they talking about like how Americas capital is?

[majestic]

 

Short answer: The people, of course - it is after all a democratic institution. Long answer: ~snip~

If this is the case, what is your opinion of the disenfranchised feeling some member citizens have expressed?

 

 

The feelings of being disenfranchised are understandable. Even though the officials all come from elected governments, or are elected themselves, the public view is generally that the EU is unable to solve any of the larger issues and it almost always breaks down to bickering, and let's face it, at the moment it can't.

 

The financial crisis and it's shockwave still preoccupy us with no real end in sight. This is because, unlike in the US, our central bank isn't allowed to fund member states directly. There are hogwash reasons given for this nonsense by "economists" but the reality of the matter is that we're still dealing with this crap because it generates profits for the almost almighty financial sector and because Germany needs a devalued Euro (meaning easier exports for a nation generating tons of profits from them).

 

It seems impossible for the EU to actually decide anything when it comes to the immigration issues as well. Member states are actively shirking their responsibilities and when in doubt we actually go and pick on Greece because they don't stop everyone after we've actively forced them to dismantle their infrastructure and public sector.

 

Or in some cases, like CETA an TTIP, both of which were and are negotiated in utter secrecy (without leaks we would have nothing) that contain nice things like supranational courts that supposedly should be able to overrule a sovereign nation's legislature if it is bad for our corporate overlords, well...

 

I'm not surprised that people are disenfranchised. There are a lot of great things the EU has done, but it simply pales in comparison to the things going on at the moment, for which there never seem to be a solution. They're all seen as being disconnected from the worries of the little man and when you look at it closely that isn't even surprising, becase many of them are. Mix and match this with scandals like the Cash-For-Laws deal while back.

 

Now that the Brexit seems to be going down there is one little piece of irony in it: Assuming the EU survives this deal (i.e. this doesn't cause a cascade and everything unravles at the seams) finding consensus among the member nations just got a lot easier, seeing how it often was the UK who actively worked against resolutions or demanded even more of a special snowflake status that some populist parties also often cited as one of the reasons why the EU is ineffective and useless.

 

Huh, who knows, maybe we'll finally get that transaction tax idea going on track without London's crippling lobbying. *shrug*

Edited June 24, 2016 by majestic

[pmp10]

Quite a bit talk of another financial crisis recently.

You'd think that people got tired of fear mongering by now.

Once markets understand that Brexit will end with a Norway-type deal EU can easily bounce back.

But that's exactly the problem as this may be it's last chance for any serious reforms.

[mindswayer]

I am glad the UK voted to leave. And I hope it leaves.

 

I also hope that the EU wakes up and realizes that this is, in large part, their fault. But I fear that they'll just ignore it, dispatch the UK as soon as possible and carry on. If they do, other countries will follow with leave referendums, and for their sake I hope they do leave. The EU, as it stands, is an outdated undemocratic supranational mess.

Edited June 24, 2016 by mindswayer

[Nonek]

I don't know about the rest of my British brethren but I feel deliciously rebellious and chaotic, one can almost see the attraction of Heresy.

 

Blood for the Blood God.

Skulls for the Skull Throne.

Tea for the teacup.

 

Edit: Let the galaxy European Union burn!

Edited June 24, 2016 by Nonek

[Guard Dog]

Uh oh Brits... now look what you've done! http://www.vocativ.com/333176/calls-for-texas-independence-surge-in-wake-of-brexit-vote/

[Valsuelm]

It's funny how TrueNatural say that mostly the uneducated vote to leave the EU... and then you see this:

 

Damn White People are the cause of this.

 

 

edited: Removed any problems with language.

 

Yup, seems like the pro-EU party consists of prime examples of good educated humans...

 

EDIT:

Having said that if there was a chance, I would vote pro-Nexit. And no, I don't vote PVV.

 

What TN is referring to is indoctrination, not education.

 

[Hassat Hunter]

Fairly sure the pro-EU camp did their utmost best at indoctrination ("WORLD WAR III, ECONOMIC DESPAIR!")... yet it failed.