US Elections 2016

[Valsuelm]

 

Kascich will never will the general election.

 

Over Clinton?  I am not ready to commit to that.  She is very beatable.  

 

 

By almost anyone that's been in the field except Kasich, yes.

 

As far as electability, only Santorum, Bush, or Graham were worse offerings. The vast majority of votes that Kasich will get will be anti-Hillary votes, not votes for him. His platform as a Republican is not good, in many ways he comes off as an establishment Democrat. Such a person is not electable (governor or some other position in some places sure, but not U.S. President in 2016; unless there's a wildcard 3rd party, but if that happens, the Democrat candidate is much more like to win than the Republican).

 

All that said, Kasich won't even be the nominee unless some evil stuff is done at the Republican convention. If that happens, the GOP very well might have dealt itself a fatal blow, and the poop will be a giant step closer to hitting the fan in this country.

 

Whatever one's political leanings, it should be abundantly clear that a very large chunk of the electorate in the U.S. are beyond sick of what both parties have been doing, and almost as many are beyond sick of the mainstream media's coverage of the political process. The only two candidates that actually have a very large enthusiastic base are Trump and Sanders, both at least perceived to be outsiders (whether they are or aren't is possibly/arguably another story). While some of their supporters will eventually 'tow the party line' for whoever is the nominee, a lot of them, if not the majority of them, will not. Sanders and Trump supporters generally already feel very disenfranchised and unrepresented, hence their support of what they see as outsiders. If a perceived outsider doesn't get elected this election, that will also be a giant step towards poop hitting the fan in this nation.

Edited March 28, 2016 by Valsuelm

[Hurlshort]

Kasich does have some democratic leanings, and that's why I see him as a decent threat to Clinton in a general election.  Now him getting through the brokered convention is a total crapshoot, so I agree it is probably not in the dice.  And if he does, Trump will probably run independent (I assume he can still do that and get on the ballot?)  That will pull votes away from any Republican candidate, as you've said.  

 

But if there was a scenario where it was just Kasich versus Clinton, I'd put my money on Kasich.  The Republicans are going to vote for him, regardless of their feelings, just like they did for Romney.  And I think there is enough flaws with Clinton to pull votes away from her.  She lacks the charisma of her husband and Obama.

 

All I really know is the Republican Convention is going to be a barnburner.  

[Meshugger]

Fill in an eurotrash in this, but how is it in any way acceptable for anyone, republican or independent, to vote for Kasich if he is the result of the republican establishment and not from those caucuses and primaries? He is basically broadcasting himself with a sticker "i.do.not.represent.you." on his forehead.

[Valsuelm]

Fill in an eurotrash in this, but how is it in any way acceptable for anyone, republican or independent, to vote for Kasich if he is the result of the republican establishment and not from those caucuses and primaries? He is basically broadcasting himself with a sticker "i.do.not.represent.you." on his forehead.

For a very lot of people, it wouldn't be. Hence me saying it would be a giant step towards the **** hitting the fan.

[Rostere]

I'll just leave this here:

 

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Fill in an eurotrash in this, but how is it in any way acceptable for anyone, republican or independent, to vote for Kasich if he is the result of the republican establishment and not from those caucuses and primaries? He is basically broadcasting himself with a sticker "i.do.not.represent.you." on his forehead.

There's a large amount of voters who will vote for the Republican party no matter who the nominee is. Ditto for Democrats. Kasich would be ideal for the establishment because he wouldn't rock the boat and doesn't have Cruz's image problems.

[Volourn]

So Clinton'sd team proves yet again how much of  a nazi she is. They are refusing to debate The Colonel until he is 'nicer'. LMAO

 

Damn SJW Nazis. Feels matter more than facts but only their feelz.. L0LZ

[ShadySands]

My Facebook news feed is full of Bernie hashtags. I don't like hashtags. #ToneDownForWhat #BirdieSanders #BernieMadeMeWhite #someonepleaseshootme #isntthisapoundsign

[Bartimaeus]

Does anyone besides non-Twitter users? :|

 

(e): ...besides Twitter users*. Sentences like the above are the reason why nearly every single one of my posts have an "Edited by Bartimaeus" at the bottom.

Edited March 29, 2016 by Bartimaeus

[Wrath of Dagon]

General election match-up polls are normally meaningless at this point. However Trump's (and Cruz's) high negatives are significant. Kasich would be a very weak candidate but almost anyone can beat Hilzilla assuming her problems pan out and she's still able to run. I think if Repubes do steal the convention, they won't give it to Kasich anyway, it'll be someone else.

Edited March 29, 2016 by Wrath of Dagon

[Zoraptor]

Fill in an eurotrash in this, but how is it in any way acceptable for anyone, republican or independent, to vote for Kasich if he is the result of the republican establishment and not from those caucuses and primaries?

 

If no one reaches a majority then, er, no one can be said to be acceptable to the majority* and any resultant candidate is the result of the 'establishment', one way or another. In any case, Kasich can not really be said to be the establishment favourite- he's basically their least disliked remaining choice/ last man standing, even just in the active phase of the campaign he's been 3rd and last choice behind Jeb and Marco.

 

One way or another their remaining candidates are all deeply flawed. Cruz is borderline unelectable and only seems a reasonable choice compared to Trump, Trump has a large 'anyone but Donald' anti following to balance his popularity plus no actual policy as opposed to sound bites and Kasich is... moderate, unremarkable, uninspiring, just a bit boring. Of the three though- and it's true in comparison to Hillary as well- merely being a bit boring could be a significant advantage since while he's unlikely to bring in droves of enthusiastic supporters he's unlikely to alienate significant numbers either whereas the other candidates may be more inspiring but they're also far more divisive. Plus, he's from an electorally crucial state and while Donald may think he can carry New York he's about the only person who thinks that.

 

*Barring a VP Kasich type compromise

[Calax]

Kasich does have some democratic leanings, and that's why I see him as a decent threat to Clinton in a general election.  Now him getting through the brokered convention is a total crapshoot, so I agree it is probably not in the dice.  And if he does, Trump will probably run independent (I assume he can still do that and get on the ballot?)  That will pull votes away from any Republican candidate, as you've said.  

 

But if there was a scenario where it was just Kasich versus Clinton, I'd put my money on Kasich.  The Republicans are going to vote for him, regardless of their feelings, just like they did for Romney.  And I think there is enough flaws with Clinton to pull votes away from her.  She lacks the charisma of her husband and Obama.

 

All I really know is the Republican Convention is going to be a barnburner.  

I think it's this more than anything. Assuming he doesn't have a Palin style screw up (my grandpa reportedly said "They just lost the election" when she was announced) he'd be moderate enough to woo the swing voters across party lines while still keeping the base around. Yes he may have a few "despicable" (according to viewpoints) pieces of the agenda under his belt, but then, everyone does. 

 

If Clinton were to find a magical Charisma switch in her brain and flick it on, she'd probably sweep the election at this point. I still maintain that she would be the overall best executive of the current lot due to her past, and Bernie has forced her to be significantly more liberal than before during the course of this election. Unless Bernie can perform an amazing turn around she's pretty much got the primary locked up.

 

And before Vas or WoD say anything about "Dems criminal charges doe!" I ask you this... where are they, and why are we hearing that the reason for any potential security breach wasn't because she was being high and mighty, but rather because the branch of government she was a part of (at the time) refused to accommodate their boss and allow secure mobile access (as they had with Condi Rice)

[Agiel]

[Hurlshort]

I'm actually thinking someone like Paul Ryan is more likely to come out of a brokered election than John Kasich.

[Guard Dog]

I'm actually thinking someone like Paul Ryan is more likely to come out of a brokered election than John Kasich.

He has said repeatedly he has no interest but he also said he wanted no part of being Speaker of the House... and look where is is.

 

This is starting to sound a little like Julius Ceaser. Mark Anthony (the RNC) has twice offered Cesaer (Ryan) the crown and he refused. Brutus & Cassiss (Cruz & Trump) begin plotting to murder him on the Senate floor (the Republican Convention) to stop his ambitions.

 

  It just writes itself!

[Rostere]

3 in 10 Americans have faith in the election system.

 

EDIT: Summary of the recent hearing on voter suppression and election fraud in Arizona.

Edited March 29, 2016 by Rostere

[BruceVC]

3 in 10 Americans have faith in the election system.

Yeah, I can believe this. Most Americans are far too critical of the election  system...it seems to work fine most of the time?

[Guard Dog]

Oh I have faith in the elction system. I just have no faith in the elected.

[Elerond]

An Open Letter to Trump Voters from His Top Strategist-Turned-Defector

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

3 in 10 Americans have faith in the election system.

 

EDIT: Summary of the recent hearing on voter suppression and election fraud in Arizona.

3 in 10 Americans will be respond to an e-mail from an African prince with the offer of a lifetime.

[Gfted1]

3 in 10 Americans will be respond to an e-mail from an African prince with the offer of a lifetime.

Go on...I am interested in your proposal.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Oh I have faith in the elction system. I just have no faith in the elected.

But if the election system is resulting in elected you have no faith in, isn't that an issue with the election system?

 

I'd also like to point out that the election system isn't simply the primaries and caucuses and Tuesday in November, but all the media stuff as well.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

3 in 10 Americans will be respond to an e-mail from an African prince with the offer of a lifetime.

Go on...I am interested in your proposal.

If you send me your social security number and credit card information I will share my fortune from the diamond mines with you.

[BruceVC]

Oh I have faith in the elction system. I just have no faith in the elected.

 

[BruceVC]

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/29/politics/trump-campaign-manager-charged-with-simple-battery/index.html

 

Guys on a more serious note....is there no low the Trump campaign will stoop to, now they assaulting women