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Kicking off round 3...

 

Anyways, the moral of the story is to not rely on television news as the primary source to gauge as to who will win an election. They are all about the hot take. Most of the talking heads (whether people literally off the streets or so called "experts") don't know what they're talking and you'll be too confused to filter out who knows their **** from those who don't.

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No you didnt read my post properly and now you accusing me of inconsistency....you see Kgambit how people misunderstand me 

 

I said when I was the USA 1 week before the election I watched Fox and MSNBC because we dont get them in SA

 

But in SA I watch CNN, BBC, Sky and Al-Jazera...but we dont get Fox or MSNBC   

 

 

 I did read your posts properly.    You can just stop with the "poor me, nobody understands me" crap.  There was no misunderstanding at all.  The fact is that you just kept changing your story.   Here's the sequence ......

 

I remember I was in the USA 1 week before the  last election and everyone was predicting Romney would win.

 

 

But I was at a convention and everyone there was saying Romney would win

 

 

Funny enough I was in Vegas and I did watch MSNBC and Fox only because we don't get them in SA and yes they both seemed very confidant Romney would win

 

 

so yes CNN is one of my authoritative sources of political commentary

 

 

And there we have it. 

 

In any case, the previous comments about relying on "credible" sources for polling predictions stand.  Relying on FOX (or a bunch of guys at a convention) for an election prediction is beyond silly. 

 

And your go-to-source, CNN, credible or not, predicted an Obama victory.   Check the link I provided.   

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When I think back to how little post-electoral policies reflect pre-election promises and perceptions (not necessarily in the US, but everywhere) I can't help but think that this whole discussion is a tad pointless.

 

I mean, look at characters like Clinton or Trump, they'll say anything just to back into the presidential throne. Clinton has backtracked, flipped and outright lied so much I don't know if there's one solid thing to grasp and point towards being "her" policy. Trump's entire campaign is more a 5 beers in game of free association on the topic of politics than anything resembling coherence.

 

I'd say that no one knows what these people will actually do should they win, because they themselves have idea other than their own self interest.

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No you didnt read my post properly and now you accusing me of inconsistency....you see Kgambit how people misunderstand me 

 

I said when I was the USA 1 week before the election I watched Fox and MSNBC because we dont get them in SA

 

But in SA I watch CNN, BBC, Sky and Al-Jazera...but we dont get Fox or MSNBC   

 

 

 I did read your posts properly.    You can just stop with the "poor me, nobody understands me" crap.  There was no misunderstanding at all.  The fact is that you just kept changing your story.   Here's the sequence ......

 

I remember I was in the USA 1 week before the  last election and everyone was predicting Romney would win.

 

 

But I was at a convention and everyone there was saying Romney would win

 

 

Funny enough I was in Vegas and I did watch MSNBC and Fox only because we don't get them in SA and yes they both seemed very confidant Romney would win

 

 

so yes CNN is one of my authoritative sources of political commentary

 

 

And there we have it. 

 

In any case, the previous comments about relying on "credible" sources for polling predictions stand.  Relying on FOX (or a bunch of guys at a convention) for an election prediction is beyond silly. 

 

And your go-to-source, CNN, credible or not, predicted an Obama victory.   Check the link I provided.   

 

Okay let me explain in more detail, there is no contradiction in what I said. You made assumptions about what I was saying. I dont mind being proved wrong but this is not about that. You are suggesting my story is not true but if you feel something is unclear just ask me. I'm sure you wouldn't like someone questioning your integrity 

 

In Vegas I was attending a global Sales\Technical conference. During the day you are in courses and there is no time to discuss politics. There were about 3000 people at the conference with about 65 % being from the USA and the rest from around the world 

 

At lunch we all ate in a large hall, we could sit at any table. The tables could sit about 8 people and what would always happen all the South Africans would sit together but I made a point of always sitting with strangers so I could talk to people I didn't know. When I introduced myself to the people, who were almost always Americans, I didnt know and told them I was from SA they were always very talkative and very friendly and because the USA election was 1 week away someone would say something like "we were told not to discuss politics with foreigners but what do you think about Obama and our election next week " 

 

I use to play coy and let them rather tell me what they thought and without fail everyone single person at those tables was adamant that Romney would win 

 

These people were generally white Americans from the ages of 35-65 in various positions from sales managers to technical specialists but basically your hard working, tax paying standard American who were convinced of Romneys victory. So that is what I meant when I said " everyone I spoke to" ...obviously I didn't walk around Vegas asking random people about politics 

 

But when I went back to room and in the morning I use to watch Fox and MSNBC...but that was in the room

 

I hope that explains in detail what I meant. 

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I voted for Gorth.

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I voted for Gorth.

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A little OT I know but f--k it. I HAD to post this somewhere. I never knew this was a thing but by God I'm going to call it where I see it from now on!

 

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Because the rim-shots keep coming...

 

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Raithe you can't posting these types of jokes...I don't think some of our American friends are finding them funny 

"Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss”

John Milton 

"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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http://cis.org/61-Million-Immigrants-and-Their-Young-Children-Now-Live-in-the-United-States

 

 

 

In December 2015 there were 61 million immigrants (legal and illegal) and U.S.-born children under age 18 with at least one immigrant parent living in the United States. 

 

 

 

Immigrants allowed into the country legally and their children account for three-fourths (45.3 million) of all immigrants and their children. 

 

 

 

The numbers represent a complete break with the recent history of the United States. As recently as 1970, there were only 13.5 million immigrants and their young children in the country, accounting for one in 15 U.S. residents. 

 

 

With that kind of number, (15.7 million illegals) i am not surprised about how the american political landscape is as it is.

"Some men see things as they are and say why?"
"I dream things that never were and say why not?"
- George Bernard Shaw

"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

 

"The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."

- Some guy 

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With that kind of number, (15.7 million illegals) i am not surprised about how the american political landscape is as it is.

How so, exactly?

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With that kind of number, (15.7 million illegals) i am not surprised about how the american political landscape is as it is.

How so, exactly?

 

 

The immense pandering on one side and the wall on the other.

"Some men see things as they are and say why?"
"I dream things that never were and say why not?"
- George Bernard Shaw

"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

 

"The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."

- Some guy 

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:lol:

 

Raithe you can't posting these types of jokes...I don't think some of our American friends are finding them funny 

 

 

What? They decided they didn't want the monarchy, so they went ahead and created their own brand of aristocracy and complain when they aren't nice. :p

 

Besides, if you can't poke fun at politicians and would-be politicians regardless of which country they happen to be from, what's the point of life?

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:lol:

 

Raithe you can't posting these types of jokes...I don't think some of our American friends are finding them funny 

 

 

What? They decided they didn't want the monarchy, so they went ahead and created their own brand of aristocracy and complain when they aren't nice. :p

 

Besides, if you can't poke fun at politicians and would-be politicians regardless of which country they happen to be from, what's the point of life?

 

Buts what strange is Gfted1 never really complains about things yet he snapped at you which is unusual for him

 

For me I have tried telling our American friends how people outside the USA really don't like Trump and think he represents what Americans actually think....I'm not sure what its like in the UK but in South Africa people really don't understand the USA and I hear two types of comments generally 

 

  • I cant believe Trump is winning....whats wrong with the people in the USA ....why dont they stop  him ( they assume people are supporting Trump because his supporters are racist or anti-Muslim )
  • I knew the people in the USA were like this, this just supports what we all know (this is from the anti-Western people )

 

Anyway your jokes are a good reminder that Trump is not considered your normal USA presidential candidate....would there normally be this type of disrespect ?

"Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss”

John Milton 

"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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I did?

Yes...remember the whole comment about jokes and UK children, that was very out of character for you 

"Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss”

John Milton 

"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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"Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss”

John Milton 

"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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Oh yeah, you threw me off with the "children" comment.

 

Wrt the UK, its not anger, its like.....if you go to a bar and one of your friends is being a jacktard but they think they are being clever/ funny/ tough/ etc. but they don't have the sense to be embarrassed so you become embarrassed FOR them. That kind of thing. I have a respect for the UK, hell at one time the "sun never set" on their empire. But in this case their parliament was literally reduced to hurling childish insults while shaking their fists at the heavens and it made me want to cover my eyes and peek through my fingers.

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Oh yeah, you threw me off with the "children" comment.

 

Wrt the UK, its not anger, its like.....if you go to a bar and one of your friends is being a jacktard but they think they are being clever/ funny/ tough/ etc. but they don't have the sense to be embarrassed so you become embarrassed FOR them. That kind of thing. I have a respect for the UK, hell at one time the "sun never set" on their empire. But in this case their parliament was literally reduced to hurling childish insults while shaking their fists at the heavens and it made me want to cover my eyes and peek through my fingers.

I hear  you and  remember I made a post once where I asked don't you American forum members  ever get tired at all the constant views and opinions that people who dont live in the USA constantly have about the USA

 

And I'm well aware I am one of those people but most of us wouldn't like you guys always commenting on our countries ...yet you guys seem almost fine. So trust me you getting a little annoyed is not only normal its looooong overdue

 

And I realize you probably don't feel that way now but it would be a normal reaction IMO

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"Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss”

John Milton 

"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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