Volourn Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 (edited) You tap into someone's fanbase that is the definition of ridiing coattails. If you don't think CDP's tap in to the BIO audience (including Obsidianites and Codexers) didn't have a part in how successful The Witcher was, you are the one deluding yourself, my friend. I already gave myself as an example of it, and I doubt I'm unique in that either. There's a reason why obsidian's most popular games are sequels and NOt their original game. NWN2. KOTOR2. FO3.5. AP. Which one of the above does not belong? 'Nough said. Edited February 18, 2011 by Volourn DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 (edited) Obsidian is an example of a company you could argue as they've been handed the IP to work with and make a sequel to, the end product being quite similar to the ridee's. Getting some PR and giving some in return (Bioware must have liked someone using their tech) and using an old engine you've hacked up and down, isn't enough. But as one does. Edited February 18, 2011 by Malcador Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 "Getting some PR and giving some in return (Bioware must have liked someone using their tech)" The only thing BIO likely got out if it was some money they got paid for the use of their tech.. CDPG got access to a multi million sized potential customer base. Sorry, but anyone, who thinks that CDPG didn't get a sizeable number of potential customers based on BIO's (albeit limited) involvment is silly. It's not even about quality (or lack thereof). It's about large fanbases, word of mouth, and pimpage. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 I never claimed they didn't. But riding coattails is a bit heavier of an accusation. I'm not sure how sizeable that portion is anyway, it's nigh impossible to prove either way. Word of mouth for the Witcher that I've mentioned or heard has never included Bioware's name, for example. A blurb in PCG and a review for me. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 "But riding coattails is a bit heavier of an accusation." So.. only anti BIO peeps can be over the top? K, then. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Wait, how did we get on anti-Bioware people again ? Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigranes Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Don't care about stupid one-upmanship, TW was pretty good and TW2 looks awesome, and that's what really matters. Let's Play: Icewind Dale Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Icewind Dale II Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Divinity II (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG1 (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG2 (In Progress) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sorophx Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 NWN2. KOTOR2. FO3.5. AP. is AP a sequel to ME in this scenario? Walsingham said: I was struggling to understand ths until I noticed you are from Finland. And having been educated solely by mkreku in this respect I am convinced that Finland essentially IS the wh40k universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 NWN2. KOTOR2. FO3.5. AP. is AP a sequel to ME in this scenario? Hes saying the first three were sequals to other companies IP's and were successful while AP was an original IP and didnt live up to sales expectations. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 According to an e-mail I just got from THQ's store, Retribution has been moved up to the 25th. "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serrano Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Dammit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 (edited) So they sent out a detail on the 25th release of Retribution. DigitalRiver is sending out copies early to get them in time for the release on the 1st. That's all it is. False alarm. Edited February 19, 2011 by Tale "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightshape Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 It's still impressive considering CDProjekts art department is a lot smaller than that of Beth or Bioware. I hope the animations also live up to the high graphical standard. Why are you mentioning Bethesda, they've achieved amazing lows in terms of graphical achievement. Some of the worst looking animations and characters in the entire biz come from Bethesda. I came up with Crate 3.0 technology. Crate 4.0 - we shall just have to wait and see.Down and out on the Solomani RimNow the Spinward Marches don't look so GRIM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorstUsernameEver Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 (edited) Risen 2 first screenshots. Looks surprisingly nice for a Pyranha Bytes game, hopefully it won't end up like Gothic 3. EDIT: Assuming they're not bullshots, of course. Edited February 19, 2011 by WorstUsernameEver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidesco Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 I'm playing Risen right now and that looks nice. Also, guns and pirates! "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C2B Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Risen 2 first screenshots. Looks surprisingly nice for a Pyranha Bytes game, hopefully it won't end up like Gothic 3. EDIT: Assuming they're not bullshots, of course. The original Gothic was also pretty impressive for its time (2001) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigranes Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 I get an Uncharted feel from the second screenshot, which is disturbingly bright and cheerful and carefully composed to remind you of beach volleyball. I find it hard to believe these screens are untouched, but in terms of general direction good to see they're continuing the tropical / Spanish colony feel. Let's Play: Icewind Dale Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Icewind Dale II Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Divinity II (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG1 (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG2 (In Progress) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoetAndMadman Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Wow the screenshots look great! teaser website: http://www.risen2.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majek Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Well if the manage to optimize and balance the game and it still looks like that, then i might finally play through a PB game again. 1.13 killed off Ja2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoetAndMadman Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 **** I'm getting pumped for this game! Loved Gothic series and the first Risen. Original setting (You don't have many fantasy+pirate themed RPGs) only makes it more exciting! Can't wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgoth Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Never was interested in Risen 1, but if there are pirates and guns, I'm in. Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bendu Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 That are not screenshots from the game. Those are Target-Artworks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sorophx Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 the tropical / Spanish colony feel. actually, I'd love to play an RPG set in the Andes of the 16th century. conquista, jungle, pyramids, the Lost City, overall Aguirre feel Walsingham said: I was struggling to understand ths until I noticed you are from Finland. And having been educated solely by mkreku in this respect I am convinced that Finland essentially IS the wh40k universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoetAndMadman Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 New artwork - main character (I guess) Google translated fact summary: It's in german, but you can use google translate. Here's a few points:- You will play the same nameless hero. - The start will be more "goal driven" storywise. - There will be several islands and they have varying climates. There will be loading zones between the islands, but else no loading zones or invisible walls. - There will be guns, but it may seem you do not actually aim them yourself - motion capture is used (I think) to give better animations, like better looking jumping etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorstUsernameEver Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 That are not screenshots from the game. Those are Target-Artworks. I was just reporting what PCgames said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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