forgottenlor Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 The ability to role-play a character how you see fit is more important than anything else, including advancement mechanics or combat. BG1 is better than BG2. A superhero RPG would be the best concept ever. Have you played Freedom Force? I know its more of SRPG, but I loved both parts. There was also a Superhero MMORPG, but I no longer play MMOs so I can't say if its any good. I definately agree its an underused genre. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forgottenlor Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 forgottenlor & Orogun01: I bought VtM:B on some Steam sale over X-mas, so I have yet to play that game. Your replies certainly gets my hopes up! As per usual, there is the intro guide to VtM:B (I liked how you wrote it): You shouldn't play Malkavian on your first playthrough, is a very different experience that may confuse if you don't know the story. It also takes some previous knowledge of the story to fully appreciate(translate) the Malkavian dialogue. If you're planning to do more than one playthrough, two suggestions: Try out the Clan Quest mod and put some space between your playthroughs. I don't know why but whenever I restart the game after I completed it I'm still on the mindframe of my previous character which somehow ruins my current one. After I wait for a bit I can get into the game without trouble. PS: I'm kind of jealous that you get to experience the Haunted house for the first time. You definately want to have this game patched. I think the community has made 9 or so. Also Vampire is one of those few games where its better not to overly specialize. I had a much more difficult playthrough the first time with my Gangrel close combat/ Thief character than I did in my playthroughs with a Toreodor and Ventrue all-arounder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyrock Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Some more: I wish I could punch J.R.R. Tolkien in the face for making elves what they are now I would rather Dragon Age 3 went The Full Shepard than back to DA:O style combat or the awful hybrid they created for DA2 (though I'll take DA:O combat over DA2 combat in a heartbeat) Contemporary real world setting is much better than the vast majority of settings 1 RFK Jr 2024 "Any organization created out of fear must create fear to survive." - Bill Hicks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maedhros Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) Pretty much every "beloved" oldschool crpg plays terribly now. Clunky controls, ugly graphics, boring dungeon grinding, etc. Even newer ones like the Kotor games, and NWN 2 are horrible to play now. Jade Empire passed the test of time slightly better. I thought Dragon Age handled controls and combat better than pretty much any crpg released. Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 2 were horrible games. Waste of my time, both. Same goes for Alpha Protocol and Dungeon Siege III. Edited February 20, 2014 by Thingolfin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOK222 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 -I almost never bother with an "evil" playthrough any more. Evil in CRPGs always seems to boil down to being stupidly cruel, and rarely make sense in context with the rest of the story. "I'm going to save the world! But first, let me beat up this old woman for her 3 copper pieces!" You, I like you. 4 Ka-ka-ka-ka-Cocaine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Inventory tetris is best 2 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quadrone Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 This thread makes me genuinely sad. But maybe I shouldn't be be so surprised to see that the only one with the correct opinion is as always... me. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndiraLightfoot Posted February 20, 2014 Author Share Posted February 20, 2014 I've just love-bombed this thread! There are so many nasty and educational replies! forgottenlor and Orogun01: A big thx for the VtM:B-tips!! *** "The words of someone who feels ever more the ent among saplings when playing CRPGs" *** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte Carlo Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 'Deep' NPCs are overrated. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarex Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 I wish I could punch J.R.R. Tolkien in the face for making elves what they are now How is that his fault? "because they filled mommy with enough mythic power to become a demi-god" - KP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyrock Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 I wish I could punch J.R.R. Tolkien in the face for making elves what they are now How is that his fault? Elves, as they first were conceived by whatever Germanic tribe, were very different than what elves are depicted as in popular culture right now. The current depiction of elves all stem from Tolkien's depiction of them. RFK Jr 2024 "Any organization created out of fear must create fear to survive." - Bill Hicks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drake heath Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 - I prefer Sci-Fi over Fantasy, seriously, I like Fantasy, but I'm tired of it, bring on some more sci-fi. - Fallout 2 wasn't that good, Fallout 1 was better, and New Vegas was the best Fallout game. - I enjoyed Fallout 3, but not for the crap story, it was fun to explore. - I also liked Skyrim, quite a bit. - I a bit of a graphics snob and I prefer 3rd person games over isometric, but I never expected PoE to be that. - Old cRPGs have not aged well, especially the ones that use ADnD. - Which is why I haven't, and probably will never finish Planescape. - Alpha Protocol wasn't well put together, but I really liked it anyways. - BioWare hasn't made a good game since DA:O. - Mass Effect 3 is one of my favorite games... to viciously make fun of and hate, it's one of the dumbest "RPGs" I've ever had the displeasure to play. - Also Crusader Kings 2 is the best RPG in the way it handles moral decisions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aluminiumtrioxid Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 And another one: both the much reviled DA2 and ME3 were way better than DAO and ME2. "Lulz is not the highest aspiration of art and mankind, no matter what the Encyclopedia Dramatica says." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orogun01 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 I like this thread. 1 I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 I enjoy that blasphemous comments can both be something like: - Fallout 1 is better than Fallout 2 - Fallout 2 is better than Fallout 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndiraLightfoot Posted February 20, 2014 Author Share Posted February 20, 2014 Here's another, inspired by Malacador's invo tetris comment: Most CRPG inventory management is boring as hell. Imagine if CRPG characters could dress themselves for once. Why not just script them to know what they need/should equip when they find the stuff? And any consumables that can be carried and used in combat should always be accessible, like one click away. -And speaking of consumables, I almost always hate them: potions, scrolls, rations, you name it! 2 *** "The words of someone who feels ever more the ent among saplings when playing CRPGs" *** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 CRPGs suck. 9 The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte Carlo Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 I enjoy that blasphemous comments can both be something like: - Fallout 1 is better than Fallout 2 - Fallout 2 is better than Fallout 1 I didn't particularly care for either of them and think Fallout: Tactics is better than both. You may now form a lynch-mob. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndiraLightfoot Posted February 20, 2014 Author Share Posted February 20, 2014 CRPGs suck. Very funny! I almost couldn't type this after that uppercut!! *** "The words of someone who feels ever more the ent among saplings when playing CRPGs" *** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Mages are pretty boring to play. Paladins are the best class. Two-Handed or Sword 'n' Board are cooler than Two-Weapons. It sucks when there is a clear and consistent bias towards one class or style of play. Arcanum is the biggest piece of crap I've ever played. 7 "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "I'm gonna hunt you down so that I can slap you square in the mouth." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "Am I phrasing in the most negative light for them? Yes, but it's not untrue." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarex Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Mages are pretty boring to play. Paladins are the best class. Two-Handed or Sword 'n' Board are cooler than Two-Weapons. It sucks when there is a clear and consistent bias towards one class or style of play. Arcanum is the biggest piece of crap I've ever played. My brother from another mother. "because they filled mommy with enough mythic power to become a demi-god" - KP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amentep Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 I not only think a non-combat RPG is possible but would actually like to play one. Oh I agree with this one entirely. Because if combat was what defined an RPG then hack-slash games would be the epitome of RPGs. I don't think perspective (1st person, 3rd person, isometric) matters to either being an RPG or to the innate quality of the product I don't think TB, RtWP, RT matter either I don't think there is an inherent superiority to computer RPGs over Console RPGs or vice-versa I don't really care about the setting as long as its compelling; from a practical standpoint video games interpretation of modern, science fiction and fantasy boil down to the same ideas presented in different ways and in their specific context. While games have gotten more complex (graphics, storylines, options and input ability), I'm not really convinced they've gotten better since I was playing Ultima and Phantasie and Wizardry. Who cares if you put on a piece of plate mail and your character appearance doesn't change? Its an abstraction in a role playing game, not a computer based medieval armor wearing simulator. It is better to be a bad game that is entertaining than a good game that is boring 3 I cannot - yet I must. How do you calculate that? At what point on the graph do "must" and "cannot" meet? Yet I must - but I cannot! ~ Ro-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 I enjoy that blasphemous comments can both be something like: - Fallout 1 is better than Fallout 2 - Fallout 2 is better than Fallout 1 I didn't particularly care for either of them and think Fallout: Tactics is better than both. You may now form a lynch-mob. I felt some sort of primal feeling of rejection forming in the deepest reaches of my soul when I read your post. Then I realized I have probably replayed FOT more than FO1 and 2 combined. I think now I know how Luke Skywalker felt. 2 - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigranes Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 What's more interesting is the 'orthodox' that is being presumed in order to describe what's 'blasphemous'. I imagine that in this forum quite a few of these opinions are the majority. If I count 'blasphemous' in terms of 'what other people seem to disagree with me about': -Mass Effect was unmitigated rubbish, it is embarrassingly terrible in writing, delivery, setting, and I'll stop there before I have to moderate my own posts -Alpha Protocol is a wonderful RPG and anyone who was willing to give old school RPGs a few hours before they 'became fun' and gave up on AP for its clunkiness are being hypocritical -'You won't like game x if you played it today' is an argument that should result in an automatic flogging, because it assumes that I dont play / enjoy those games anymore, it assumes people's tastes improve over time, it assumes games improve over time, and it means you prefer meaningless soundbites like 'product of its time' as opposed to actual discussion. -TB / RTwP / RT are equally valid choices, the only problem is when the execution doesn't know what it wants to do. E.g. Fallout 3. 7 Let's Play: Icewind Dale Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Icewind Dale II Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Divinity II (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG1 (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG2 (In Progress) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarex Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Elves, as they first were conceived by whatever Germanic tribe, were very different than what elves are depicted as in popular culture right now. The current depiction of elves all stem from Tolkien's depiction of them. The things you describe are called faeries or sidhe and they have very little in common with the Elves. Granted that Tolkien drew inspiration from them, but that doesn't make it his fault that people today took inspiration from him and made it in to something else again. 1 "because they filled mommy with enough mythic power to become a demi-god" - KP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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