minor quibble: we would say that the difference is that under trump, the human travesties became policy goals.
from a 2019 Gromnir post:
"however, before people get too angry at barr and trump, ms. fabian, the lawyer for doj in our clips, argued another flores case three years ago and it were even more disturbing. a woman who were trying to instigate a hunger strike in protest o' conditions at a detainment facility had her child seperated from her and the child placed in solitary confinement. fabian tried to argue such treatment were perfect acceptable under the flores settlement. separate and isolate child were a legit response to insurrection by the mother o' the child. 2015 were obama administration, and while there were not a general policy o' child separations in spite o' trump claims, clearly it did happen in more than a couple instances."
have also posted the following a couple times:
"not just kids.
"'cause is not criminal trial with criminal trial protections, those seeking asylum is not granted real protections and is often given what amounts to a sham trial."
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"ps the last Two presidential administrations has been abominable and arguable inhumane when dealing with the immigration crisis. the trump admin has been orders o' magnitude worse than obama, but the previous President would not be comfortable talking 'bout his immigration record. the obama doj, just one example, argued it were appropriate to use solitary confinement to punish mothers who went on a hunger strike in response to mistreatment o' themselves and their children while being detained on immigration issues. obama's doj argued the moms were inciting disobedience and as were civil, they didn't have criminal rights, so... "
ok, the thing is, as much as am having criticized the obama administration, what trump did different is that he and his nativist cronies made suffering the point o' their policies. the goal for the trump admin, with stephen miller as architect o' the scheme, were to make conditions bad enough that illegal US immigration, which btw had been decreasing steadily for decades, would be an act only the most desperate would even contemplate. under trump, human rights travesties were the point.
aside, and this will bother many, am thinking some o' the tragedy regarding illegal immigrants is functional unavoidable and the goal should be to limit as 'posed to expecting elimination o' the problems. as a practical matter, it is impossible to make illegal border crossing criminal 'cause we already see backlogs of eight years in many jurisdictions. imagine if each immigrant had to be given a jury trial? can't do it. the problem is the immigrants don't get criminal defendant protections.
'course trump is also the guy who were suggesting the US should invade venezuela, while active working to destabilize the south american regime. pretend as if the US ain't at least part to blame for the massive uptick in venezuelan refugees is requiring a level o' willful obtuse am unable to manage.
regardless, US immigration, like US health care, is complex issues with a whole lotta different parts... and Gromnir is old enough to recall a time when democrats and republicans were polar opposites on the issue. keep in mind trumpy fear mongering about illegals stealing jobs from working class americans and the largely imaginary crime stat hobgoblins shared at fox news were mainstays o' the democrat platform well into the 80s. please recall that working class whites were worried about such back in the 60s and at the time those individuals were dependable democrat voters.
example: am having previous mentioned how Barbara Jordan is kinda a personal role model for Gromnir. her positions on immigration might be considered too harsh by current gop standards.
even so, as disappointed as Gromnir were with all three recent administrations, trump were a notable outlier and not just 'cause trump appears proud o' the human suffering brought about during his term. human travesty were a conscious goal under trump.
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