Politics 2017 part 4

[HoonDing]

(((They))) know who you are.

[Wrath of Dagon]

Making people dependent on the government is what actually drives the high US crime rates.

 

Edit: Oh, btw, https://twitter.com/StateDept/status/481278545885663232

Edited April 5, 2017 by Wrath of Dagon

[Azdeus]

Yeah yeah, I know the drill. Just give away more and the ship will right itself.

 

BTW, what makes you sure they destroyed your sample? Because they told you they did? Did you see them throw your blood slide into a foundry?

In my case, because I personally knew one working there, otherwise you're right, you don't actually 'know' they've destroyed it, but if you want to go down the rabbit hole that far you will soon be institutionalized anyway

 

Making people dependent on the government is what actually drives the high US crime rates.

 

Or is it because people have no choice, amongst other things, due to lack of affordable education for food but turn to crime drives the US crime rates.

 

Edit; The entire last sentance. Way tired.

Edited April 5, 2017 by Azdeus

[Elerond]

The Feds Already Have Your Face in a Database.

 

Isn't that bit old news, because now its been at least for 11 years that order to get passport one needs to give clear picture of your face and fingerprints to government who will share them with other governments.

[Hurlshort]

There is a massive amount of wiggle room between 'making people dependent on the government' and 'improving social inequalities'. We live in a time of rather obscene wealth division.

[Gfted1]

In my case, because I personally knew one working there, otherwise you're right, you don't actually 'know' they've destroyed it, but if you want to go down the rabbit hole that far you will soon be institutionalized anyway

Can any Swedish citizen formally request the government to destroy their DNA sample, or did you just get hooked up by a buddy?

 

Isn't that bit old news, because now its been at least for 11 years that order to get passport one needs to give clear picture of your face and fingerprints to government who will share them with other governments.

Interesting. I don't remember providing my fingerprints for my passport, but its been a while so maybe I did?

[BruceVC]

There is a massive amount of wiggle room between 'making people dependent on the government' and 'improving social inequalities'. We live in a time of rather obscene wealth division.

Do we really live in that type of division, what would be an example of this?

 

Before you consider answering this remember you have to ask yourself what the person who lives in obscene wealth does for a living and how they achieved this

[Hurlshort]

 

There is a massive amount of wiggle room between 'making people dependent on the government' and 'improving social inequalities'. We live in a time of rather obscene wealth division.

Do we really live in that type of division, what would be an example of this?

 

Before you consider answering this remember you have to ask yourself what the person who lives in obscene wealth does for a living and how they achieved this

 

 

They are probably bankers. I'm on to you Bruce!

[BruceVC]

 

 

There is a massive amount of wiggle room between 'making people dependent on the government' and 'improving social inequalities'. We live in a time of rather obscene wealth division.

Do we really live in that type of division, what would be an example of this?

 

Before you consider answering this remember you have to ask yourself what the person who lives in obscene wealth does for a living and how they achieved this

 

 

They are probably bankers. I'm on to you Bruce!

 

Its not quite what you thinking but its not far off 

 

You see I have this particular debate probably every 2 weeks with different people all over the world and even though the question or the criticism may appear completely different to your question the expected answer is often similar 

 

People ask questions like 

 

• why do we have such an unequal economic society
• how do we end the monopoly and collusion of the banks
• why is the West trying to control our economy 
• why does our government  pander to the financial sector or allow foreign  countries to dictate to us

 

And the expected answer or outcome is suppose to be something like

• the banks control the economies of the world and surreptitiously manipulate events to control a certain narrative
• the banks are products of the West and should never be trusted 

[Katphood]

Let's see if this brings us any closer to WW3. But yeah, this is probably how Russians respond to a terrorist attack on their soil.

[Elerond]

 

Isn't that bit old news, because now its been at least for 11 years that order to get passport one needs to give clear picture of your face and fingerprints to government who will share them with other governments.

Interesting. I don't remember providing my fingerprints for my passport, but its been a while so maybe I did?

 

 

It seems that USA only demands such thing from foreign passports and even though US Passports also now have biometric chip where such data could be saved and read from distance it isn't used.

 

Clearly we need to take visa free travelling from people travelling with US Passports as they clearly have insecure passports 

[Orogun01]

The Feds Already Have Your Face in a Database.

That is why I'm learning make up and special effects. One day I will commit all my crimes with impunity just by being someone else.

[Zoraptor]

Let's see if this brings us any closer to WW3. But yeah, this is probably how Russians respond to a terrorist attack on their soil.

 

Eh, they'd just drop conventional bombs if they wanted to randomly kill lots of people, same as anyone else would. If you don't have an air force you go to some village and shoot it up semi randomly as our SAS did when the Taleban killed an NZ soldier; plus it'd be a weird way to strike back at an ISIS inspired Kyrgyz with no other apparent link to Syria anyway. Mostly though, the rebels say that the chemical bomb/ missile was dropped by a Su22 which Russia hasn't operated for years and nobody suggests they have in Syria. If the rebel story is accurate it was definitely Syria rather than Russia.

 

I'd be reticent about assigning blame at this point anyway, apart from it being pretty stupid to potentially provoke intervention and utterly pointless militarily, MSF have said that two chemical agents were present with the second probably being chlorine or a similar derivative. That definitely means that there was either more than the one chemical bomb claimed by witnesses or a secondary source on the ground.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

The Feds Already Have Your Face in a Database.

 

That is why I'm learning make up and special effects. One day I will commit all my crimes with impunity just by being someone else.

Just convert to Judaism and you'll get a free pass.

[Katphood]

 

Let's see if this brings us any closer to WW3. But yeah, this is probably how Russians respond to a terrorist attack on their soil.

 

Eh, they'd just drop conventional bombs if they wanted to randomly kill lots of people, same as anyone else would. If you don't have an air force you go to some village and shoot it up semi randomly as our SAS did when the Taleban killed an NZ soldier; plus it'd be a weird way to strike back at an ISIS inspired Kyrgyz with no other apparent link to Syria anyway. Mostly though, the rebels say that the chemical bomb/ missile was dropped by a Su22 which Russia hasn't operated for years and nobody suggests they have in Syria. If the rebel story is accurate it was definitely Syria rather than Russia.

 

I'd be reticent about assigning blame at this point anyway, apart from it being pretty stupid to potentially provoke intervention and utterly pointless militarily, MSF have said that two chemical agents were present with the second probably being chlorine or a similar derivative. That definitely means that there was either more than the one chemical bomb claimed by witnesses or a secondary source on the ground.

 

 

 

Well, here is what the Russian side claims:

 

"According to Russia’s Defense Ministry, the Syrian Air Force destroyed a warehouse in Idlib province where chemical weapons were being produced and stockpiled by rebels before being shipped to Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) in Iraq."~RT

 

Why would the rebels support the IS? If they do support the IS then why are NATO and half of the world supporting rebels/terrorists?! 

 

All I know is that one side should seriously be blamed, I'm tired of global powers taking a dump in a certain region where it doesn't belong to them and then proceed to claim that no side is responsible. "Nothing happened here, move along!"

[Zoraptor]

Pretty sure everyone is sick of global powers taking dumps in regions except said global powers.

 

In the mess that is the SCW it's not actually impossible that the rebels manufacture chemical weapons for ISIS, especially in the specific regional context. Liwa (formerly Jund) al Aqsa was the group that previously held Khan Sheiktoun, and they've (literally) joined ISIS having previously and temporarily joined Al Qaeda/ Al Nusra (Hayat Tahrir al Sham, formally). There are still extensive links between LAA and HTS and LAA has, despite having a thousand or so members, disappeared completely so far as anyone can tell. Plus HTS apart from literally being Al Qaeda was also literally ISIS up until Feb 2014. So rebels supplying ISIS with CW is probably bollocks, but not certainly so especially if they were meant to supply LAA.

 

HTS/ AQ also gets a lot of 'Friends of Syria' (NATO/ Gulf States) sourced supplies as they control the supply routes, and whether NATO acknowledges it or not. They're the best supplied rebel force in Syria- by a fair margin- despite theoretically being embargoed by everyone.

 

There has been at least one occasion in which the rebels very likely used sarin in an attack- on government held Khan al Assal in 2013. In an interesting reversal, the official western position is that it was the government gassing people on their own side that time. That was primarily on a military target though and killed more soldiers than civilians, for what that's worth.

[Pidesco]

http://verysmartbrothas.com/the-national-park-service-guys-face-when-getting-that-bull****-check-from-trump-is-the-blackest-thing/

 

 

The face Harpers Ferry National Historical Park superintendent Tyrone Brandyburg made yesterday when presented a $78,333 check from Donald Trump — the same Donald Trump who plans to cut funding from the National Park Service — is a face we all recognize. Because its a face of recognition. It’s the “This ****…” face. Which is also sometimes known as the “This **** here” face and the “This **** right here” face.

[Azdeus]

Can any Swedish citizen formally request the government to destroy their DNA sample, or did you just get hooked up by a buddy?

Anyone can, you download/order a form to fill out where you decide if you want it destroyed or anonomized. My buddy probably wouldn't risk her job for me ^^ 

It seems that USA only demands such thing from foreign passports and even though US Passports also now have biometric chip where such data could be saved and read from distance it isn't used.

 

Clearly we need to take visa free travelling from people travelling with US Passports as they clearly have insecure passports 

 

Hey, it's to protect you from identity theft! 

For a while it was volountary here, and now it's mandatory.

 

That is why I'm learning make up and special effects. One day I will commit all my crimes with impunity just by being someone else.

That won't help you, they can identify you on your gait!

[BruceVC]

 

 

There is a massive amount of wiggle room between 'making people dependent on the government' and 'improving social inequalities'. We live in a time of rather obscene wealth division.

Do we really live in that type of division, what would be an example of this?

 

Before you consider answering this remember you have to ask yourself what the person who lives in obscene wealth does for a living and how they achieved this

The real question is wether most wealthy people actually worked so much more and harder than a common worker to justify this huge gap. And let's be honest, no. In fact, I'd argue their wealth is based either on exploitation (I'm not gonna repeat the full argument again) or on gambling (and it is nothing more than that) on Wall Street. Most likely both.

 

But to pretend that the rich are rich because they deserve it is, indeed, moronic.

 

 

You raise a common strawman argument that is inconsistent and impossible to substantiate. Firstly you are creating the actual false narrative when you say " The real question is wether most wealthy people actually worked so much more and harder than a common worker to justify this huge gap " 

 

When did that point ever translate to something that is relevant? You have no idea how hard so called " rich " people work or how we should or shouldn't define there wealth and is it justified. 

 

So ironically the word " moronic  " is your word and has no significance to the debate except being applicable to your assessment

[BruceVC]

 

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There is a massive amount of wiggle room between 'making people dependent on the government' and 'improving social inequalities'. We live in a time of rather obscene wealth division.

Do we really live in that type of division, what would be an example of this?

 

Before you consider answering this remember you have to ask yourself what the person who lives in obscene wealth does for a living and how they achieved this

They are probably bankers. I'm on to you Bruce!

Its not quite what you thinking but its not far off

 

You see I have this particular debate probably every 2 weeks with different people all over the world and even though the question or the criticism may appear completely different to your question the expected answer is often similar

 

People ask questions like

 

[*]why do we have such an unequal economic society

This is inherent to capitalism. It is also inherent that inequality will grow and grow and grow... r>g and so on.

[*]how do we end the monopoly and collusion of the banks

Within capitalism? We don't. The creation of mono/oligopolies is another mechanism inherent to any form of capitalism after the industrial revolution. Changing this requires fundamental changes that would shift the economy considerably to the way of public ownership/common property.

[*]why is the West trying to control our economy

Because capitalist systems have to expand to gain new profits. Taking control over your economy means profit for the capitalists, thus this justifies almost every measure to do so.

[*]why does our government pander to the financial sector or allow foreign countries to dictate to us

Many probably because of corruption; but in the long run, it can not really be stopped without fundamental changes. The profit incentive is huge, and it allows and requires capitalism to expand over the world. And since very few countries posses the means and the will to resist this, there's nothing to stop it. Unless of course you finally get fed up with being dictated by a small elite that is driven by nothing but profit and sees you as nothing but an exploitable recourse. Maybe you will feel the need to change something. Do call me when that happens.

 

And the expected answer or outcome is suppose to be something like

[*]the banks control the economies of the world and surreptitiously manipulate events to control a certain narrative

[*]the banks are products of the West and should never be trusted

Well... yes

 

 Yes I am well aware and expected you to comment on  these questions because I have these debates all the time with analysts  who share your view on Capitalism and also misunderstand and generalize about what is good about the banks and or financial sector. I am glad you responded so please dont think I am dismissing your post or the effort you made to comment 

 

 

To be honest all your responses are cliches and common examples of how some people still dont understand how Capitalism has changed and how we now have sustainable systems like responsible or regulated Capitalism 

[Raithe]

On the mild diversion from the current argu.. discussion.

 

Best snarky quote for the day I saw was in reference to how Trump needed half a dozen people with him to help "clarify" his statements during a recent interview with the New York Times.

"He has more handlers than a bear in a Russian circus."

[Guard Dog]

So, I'm sitting here at my kitchen counter drinking a cup of coffee and reading USA Today on my iPad. And a thought hit me like a bolt of lightning. And not for the first time. Donald Trump is the President of the United States? How the F--K did this happen???

 

Still better than Hillary Clinton though.

[Gfted1]

It seems that USA only demands such thing from foreign passports and even though US Passports also now have biometric chip where such data could be saved and read from distance it isn't used.

 

Clearly we need to take visa free travelling from people travelling with US Passports as they clearly have insecure passports 

We are ambassadors of Freedom and we don't need no stinkin' badges.

[Chilloutman]

350M people and best you could come up was these two freaks sad right?

[Raithe]

Amidst other world politics...

 

 

 

Hi Spain. Only me. I just google-mapped Gibraltar as I didn't really know where you kept it. And I couldn't help notice this little place just over the water called Ceuta. I think it's yours but you've actually left it in someone else's country and Wikipedia tell me that Morocco rather want it back. I'm not being funny, Spain, but is this the pot calling the kettle Moorish? Anyways, send my love to Portugal. Toodleoo.