Trump united the world...

[Ben No.3]

 

I realise that if you don't have an account you can't access it, so you can't really check that source.

I'd say I have sufficiently proven my point here

Granted, it seems strange. But I've sited an academic source you can access, so....

[Blarghagh]

Any actually academic sources? Say Harvard maybe? or Oxford?

 

Anyone even mentions Breitbart again on this site, I'm going to quote you.

[Guard Dog]

In a common cause against him. Worldwide thousands of people are on the streets, saying no to protectionism, to disrespect against women, to the empowerment of homophobes etc. There are those few supporting him... the right winged populists of Europe had a congress in Germany today. The congress had Ann equal numbers of visitors and protestors against it.

 

Trump said he'd give the power back to the people. Mr. Trump, you don't need to do that... we're just taking it back.

Oh my God I laughed at this. And you know the best part? If you were not completely serious it wouldn't be funny!

[Gfted1]

Ah, protesters, the classis morning after walk-of-shame.

[Elerond]

Trump's plans seems to be very communistic in their roots. Protectionism, going against markets to ensure that low level jobs are kept in USA, going against free market agreements, being very bothered to look like success in public image and lying if necessary in order to keep good front and accusing everybody of lying that say otherwise.

 

I have not seen such communistic leader and future dictator after fall of Soviet Union.

[Chilloutman]

I suppose that reason why most people who voted Trump are not being seen in the streets that much is that they were A) from rural areas, B) have a jo,b so its hard for them to riot for days in city centers xD

[Elerond]

I suppose that reason why most people who voted Trump are not being seen in the streets that much is that they were A) from rural areas, B) have a jo,b so its hard for them to riot for days in city centers xD

 

I though people voted him because they had lost their jobs and he will bring them back. 

[Chilloutman]

 

I suppose that reason why most people who voted Trump are not being seen in the streets that much is that they were A) from rural areas, B) have a jo,b so its hard for them to riot for days in city centers xD

 

I though people voted him because they had lost their jobs and he will bring them back. 

 

 

I think unemployed vote were marginal, point was that bringing jobs back ofcourse affects middle class and business associated with big companies. eg if you start manufacturing cars, someone have to repair them as well, someone have to insure them, someone have to transport them around etc etc. thats what is creating jobs and benefiting middle class

[Volourn]

"Any actually academic sources? Say Harvard maybe? or Oxford?"

 

This is why I never go out of my way to give sources online because often times you are just told that is the 'wrong source' or it's 'fake news' or whatever so the person opposing you can keep their own views. When ssomeone demands a source they already  lost cause and not worth the time no matter which side they're on.

[Elerond]

 

 

I suppose that reason why most people who voted Trump are not being seen in the streets that much is that they were A) from rural areas, B) have a jo,b so its hard for them to riot for days in city centers xD

 

I though people voted him because they had lost their jobs and he will bring them back. 

 

 

I think unemployed vote were marginal, point was that bringing jobs back ofcourse affects middle class and business associated with big companies. eg if you start manufacturing cars, someone have to repair them as well, someone have to insure them, someone have to transport them around etc etc. thats what is creating jobs and benefiting middle class

 

 

But if everybody already has job, why they would need drastic measures to create more of them? Do they plan to bring Mexicans to do the jobs or what?

 

Also car manufacturing don't itself bring repair jobs you need people buying said cars and use them to make repair jobs, and bringing manufacturing job to back to US may rise prices of cars, as manufacturing in US is said to be more expensive than it is in Mexico, and higher priced cars usually mean less sold cars, which means less need for repair shops etc. which means less jobs in that sector. 

[Ben No.3]

Trump's plans seems to be very communistic in their roots. Protectionism, going against markets to ensure that low level jobs are kept in USA, going against free market agreements, being very bothered to look like success in public image and lying if necessary in order to keep good front and accusing everybody of lying that say otherwise.

 

I have not seen such communistic leader and future dictator after fall of Soviet Union.

Exceptionally accurate -.-

[Darkpriest]

 

Any actually academic sources? Say Harvard maybe? or Oxford?

 

Anyone even mentions Breitbart again on this site, I'm going to quote you.

 

 

There is a difference in quoting an opinion or news, and something that gets stated as a historical fact. I also do not claim that breitbart is a reliable source of information, probably far from it.

 

If you claim that something is a fact, better have support to validate that in terms of reputable academic sources - like a research paper. I say reputable, cause there are some "educational" institutions which lets say deny the existence of holocaust or promote creationism opposed to evolution etc. and I would not trust those sources same as I would not trust an opinion of a lecturer from a random state university, who is openly vocal about their own political beliefs

 

Can you also advise how to read this?

 

Impact factor and ranking

Year Impact Factor Ssi: History 2015 0.403 28 out of 87 2014 0.640 13 out of 87 2013 0.364 18 out of 72 2012 0.410 18 out of 69 2011 1.100 2 out of 55 2010 0.415 11 out of 43

[Gorgon]

Trump has simply created an alternate reality where he is always right. If Trump does not agree you are per definition lying.

 

You can't combat that with the truth. It's a master stroke of genius really.

[Volourn]

You do realize that works for both 'sides'. L0L

[Gromnir]

Trump has simply created an alternate reality where he is always right. If Trump does not agree you are per definition lying.

 

You can't combat that with the truth. It's a master stroke of genius really.

based on polls, most people aren't believing trump.  sure, he won the election, but part o' the reason is 'cause he were running 'gainst clinton, who people were even less inclined to trust.  were a perfect storm.

 

sadly, trump's alternate reality is effective with a disturbing large percentage o' the population who has embraced a russian-style conspiracy theory mentality. disbelief o' everything from official sources or traditional media has folks more likely to believe fringe sources, 'cause if everybody is lying, then the only folks you can trust is the outliers and fringe sources. got washington post, nyt, la times, reuters, intelligence chiefs and dozens o' other sources all telling the same story. unfortunate, if you know they is all liars, then your garden variety conspiracy k00k is gonna look to the alternative source who is claiming the system is fixed. trump is telling the nutters what they wanna hear, what they wanna believe.  the people who believe trump is a minority, but they are a growing minority. they believe trump precisely 'cause he is offering an alternative narrative which largely depends on conspiracy.  

 

the trump narrative got him elected but is unlikely to result in an effective Presidency. he is no longer running 'gainst clinton.  "lesser of two evils" is not enough.  trump needs to be genuine popular to be effective.  too few believe trump. too few trust trump. is not russia, so trump won't be able to control media and we don't have near enough tinfoil hat legionnaires yearning for a conspiracy explanation. 

 

at the moment we would suggest trump needs a catastrophe.  people look to a President, even a bad one, during catastrophe.  let us hope trump doesn't manufacture a catastrophe.

 

HA! Good Fun!

[Blarghagh]

 

Trump has simply created an alternate reality where he is always right. If Trump does not agree you are per definition lying.

 

You can't combat that with the truth. It's a master stroke of genius really.

based on polls, most people aren't believing trump.  sure, he won the election, but part o' the reason is 'cause he were running 'gainst clinton, who people were even less inclined to trust.  were a perfect storm.

 

Yeah but based on polls he lost by a landslide too. :/

[Gorgon]

I wonder how Clinton would have fared if she had simply played his game. 'Hillary Clinton was not hacked, Clinton has the best security, everybody says so.

Julian Assange is overated, no class'.

[Gromnir]

 

 

Trump has simply created an alternate reality where he is always right. If Trump does not agree you are per definition lying.

 

You can't combat that with the truth. It's a master stroke of genius really.

based on polls, most people aren't believing trump.  sure, he won the election, but part o' the reason is 'cause he were running 'gainst clinton, who people were even less inclined to trust.  were a perfect storm.

 

Yeah but based on polls he lost by a landslide too. :/

 

come now, let us not descend into hyperbole. hardly a landslide. polls (before and after the election) showed it were gonna be close, and regardless, as noted already, being President is a different situation than being elected.  no electoral college for Presidential popularity. regardless o' how he got elected, trump now must be President. 

 

HA! Good Fun!

Edited January 22, 2017 by Gromnir

[Zoraptor]

 

Heh, the Nazis were famous for not forcing everyone to work or everyone to be employed who wanted to- in particular their philosophy stated that women should be breeding rather than working, in contrast to either the USSR or the UK. That's one of the reasons their industrial capacity was far lower than it should have been throughout WW2, and only peaked in 1944 when the war was lost.

 

As for the rest, the big difference between the Nazi model and, say, Stalinism is that the typical German worked for their personal profit, for a private enterprise, while the typical soviet worked direct for the state. That's right wing/ capitalist, not left wing. They even went so far as giving said private enterprises access to slave labour.

Details. And insignificant. And also not all accurate but I won't be nitpicky. I already said than nazi Socialists were a little different than soviet ones.

 

So, working for personal profit for a private company vs working for the state is a detail and insignificant? That's only the fundamental difference between communism and capitalism, but hey, just a detail.

[Gromnir]

I wonder how Clinton would have fared if she had simply played his game. 'Hillary Clinton was not hacked, Clinton has the best security, everybody says so.

Julian Assange is overated, no class'.

am thinking clinton's biggest mistake were she did play trump's game. trump refused (refuses) to provide taxes and lied 'bout treatment of women and dozens o' other minor issues concerning hiring o' undocumented workers and his actual charitable contributions. clinton lied and hid truth as well.  am thinking clinton woulda' been far better served if she had gone exact opposite route o' the traditional clinton family playbook.  if clinton had been uncharacteristically open and honest, then perhaps she woulda' had more luck.  with so much american distrust of washington, trump's deceits were characterized different than clinton's.  trump falsehoods and evasions were relegated to the kinda things powerful businessmen always engage in if they wanna succeed.  clinton's difficulty with the truth were, alternatively, representative o' all the reasons americans distrust politicians. 

 

if clinton had been honest...

 

dunno.

 

HA! Good Fun!

[ShadySands]

[HoonDing]

"alternative facts"

 

is this real life

[kirottu]

It's clearly alternative life.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

It's clearly alternative life.

So undeath? Can I be something cool like a Lich or do I get something ****ty like a Mohrg?

[Malcador]

A jump to conclusion mat would sell well here.