AwesomeOcelot Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I don't know what people were expecting, that they were going to buy machinary and self publish? That's not the broken part of the publishing arrangement, as far as I know publishers do a good job at distrubition and manufacture, it's the IP ownership and funding part that needs to change. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oerwinde Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I don't know what people were expecting, that they were going to buy machinary and self publish? That's not the broken part of the publishing arrangement, as far as I know publishers do a good job at distrubition and manufacture, it's the IP ownership and funding part that needs to change. Exactly, its the publishing part they're good at, not the actual creation of content. Hence publisher. The area between the balls and the butt is a hotbed of terrorist activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyrock Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 (edited) If they're a distributor only, do they defacto count as a publisher? Or am I splitting hairs? You're splitting hairs. With that said, I'm not going to give Fargo and Co. any grief about this. Edited July 11, 2013 by Keyrock RFK Jr 2024 "Any organization created out of fear must create fear to survive." - Bill Hicks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 If they're a distributor only, do they defacto count as a publisher? Or am I splitting hairs? Let's call it a hair worth splitting. Publishers can fund the thing you make, as well as try to help "prepare it for market." Which can be influencing it lightly or heavily. But then sometimes they just press discs for you. Valve's relationship with EA is unlikely to have been the same as Insomniac's. "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Labadal Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 If they're a distributor only, do they defacto count as a publisher? Or am I splitting hairs? They have no say about actual game content. Deep Silver will get payed to deliver the physical goods to backers and handle physical retail copies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humanoid Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 The worst part about it is that there might be a Deep Silver logo on my boxed copies. Other than that, eh. L I E S T R O N GL I V E W R O N G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Labadal Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 The Kickstarter physical copies will not be the same as the regular ones according to Brother None. (I think it was him who said that.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Labadal Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Why not? I don't know, but here is the quote: I think it would. And just to be clear, while Deep Silver is releasing retail editions post-release, those won't be the same boxes/editions our Kickstarter backers get. My personal guess is because of the reward you got from the kickstarter tiers: One digital copy and one full LARGE BOXED COPY OF WASTELAND 2, complete with worn cloth game map and old school instruction book. The retail copies will probably come in regular DVD cases which makes sense to me. I doubt they will include cloth maps and I'm not even sure about the instruction book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSBasilisk Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Ah, they must be going extra-nostalgic and packaging the Kickstarter version in old-school cardboard boxes, like you would have seen back when Wasteland was released; you know, the 8 inch tall monstrosities that nowadays indicates a collector's edition or battlechest. I think Half-Life 2 was the last game I got that came with that sort of box... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 If they're a distributor only, do they defacto count as a publisher? Or am I splitting hairs? No you aren't splitting hairs and technically they would be distributing the game only I don't want to upset people but I did predict the role that Publishers would have in successful KS projects. I believe the developers would still own the IP but publishers will partner with developers and invest money. In turn they would get a percentage of overall profit. This is a good thing as it allows more revenue for the developers but in theory they wouldn't be completely "independent" anymore. But this something we can live with and I think the good outweighs the bad with this type of business model "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 My Half-Life 2 was still a smaller box (though not just a DVD case) I think. I remember there was the gigantor boxes like BG2 had, and then they had the slightly smaller boxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepenthe Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 InXile partners with publisher for Wasteland 2 After all the **** Fargo talked about publishers. I'm more interested in the way Deep Silver/Koch Media is suddenly popping up constantly on my radar, first with the saints row/volition business, this and probably a few things I'm forgetting. You're a cheery wee bugger, Nep. Have I ever said that? Reapercussions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deraldin Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 My Half-Life 2 was still a smaller box (though not just a DVD case) I think. I remember there was the gigantor boxes like BG2 had, and then they had the slightly smaller boxes. My Half Life 2 was the standard double DVD size cardboard box as well. Half Life 2 was 2004 and I know at the very least I was buying the smaller boxes a year earlier with KotOR. I still have all my old large format boxes flattened in the closet, but I'd have to go root through them in order to figure out what the most recent one was. Might have been something like Throne of Bhaal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cultist Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 InXile partners with publisher for Wasteland 2 After all the **** Fargo talked about publishers. Let me guess - you expected DVD copies to be hand-crafted by IXIle staff personally? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 I actually expected them to be made and distributed by EA as Fargo already has a relationship with them and they do similar things for other companies. Really though, it shouldn't matter who fabricates the boxes if they have no say in how the game gets made, and it certainly isn't the same situation as having a publisher who's basically your boss, in this situation it ought to be the other way around really, Derp Silver should do what InXile tells them to so far as boxed copies go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Derp Silver Ho hooo! IIRC EA effectively did the same for console versions of games like Left 4 Dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humanoid Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 (edited) My Half-Life 2 was still a smaller box (though not just a DVD case) I think. I remember there was the gigantor boxes like BG2 had, and then they had the slightly smaller boxes. My Half Life 2 was the standard double DVD size cardboard box as well. Half Life 2 was 2004 and I know at the very least I was buying the smaller boxes a year earlier with KotOR. I still have all my old large format boxes flattened in the closet, but I'd have to go root through them in order to figure out what the most recent one was. Might have been something like Throne of Bhaal. The newest 'big' box game I can think of is Age of Wonders: Shadow Magic, which had a smaller box in it, which had a DVD case in it (I think). Covers all three bases... It was a 2H 2003 release so the timing would match the general phasing out of that wonderful, wonderful cardboard. Sad days. Different regions carried different box sizes though - I bought an imported IWD2 which was a small box, but the local Australian release still came in a big box. Looking at a list of some other 2H 2003 games, Large box titles include Age of Mythology, Max Payne 2, Broken Sword 3, Republic: The Revolution, Dungeon Siege: Legends of Aranna, and some expansions for The Sims. Looking at a list of 2004 releases, I can't think of any I own that came in a large box. Edited July 12, 2013 by Humanoid L I E S T R O N GL I V E W R O N G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamoulian War Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 I love the Saints Row games, but the new GTA trailer just killed SR4 for me. I love the Saints Row games and the new GTA trailer does nothing for me. I would take Yakuza 5 release in the west over SR4 or GTAV any day... Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dream Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 InXile partners with publisher for Wasteland 2 After all the **** Fargo talked about publishers. Let me guess - you expected DVD copies to be hand-crafted by IXIle staff personally? Nah man, it's completely the right business move, but it doesn't mean I can't give Fargo **** about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 InXile partners with publisher for Wasteland 2 After all the **** Fargo talked about publishers. Let me guess - you expected DVD copies to be hand-crafted by IXIle staff personally? Nah man, it's completely the right business move, but it doesn't mean I can't give Fargo **** about it. That's true and as you mentioned he was very vociferous about how unhelpful and obstructive Publishers were 2 "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyrock Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 InXile partners with publisher for Wasteland 2 After all the **** Fargo talked about publishers. Let me guess - you expected DVD copies to be hand-crafted by IXIle staff personally? Nah man, it's completely the right business move, but it doesn't mean I can't give Fargo **** about it. That's true and as you mentioned he was very vociferous about how unhelpful and obstructive Publishers were Yeah, but he was speaking ill of big bad meanie publishers, the kind that will take you to Burger King for a ****ty meal, then think they can **** you in the ***. Apparently Deep Silver is a nice guy publisher, the kind that buys you flowers just for the sake of buying you flowers and likes to cuddle. In all seriousness, we have every right to poke fun at him, and, like pretty much everybody here, I agree that this was the right move for him and inXile. 1 RFK Jr 2024 "Any organization created out of fear must create fear to survive." - Bill Hicks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drowsy Emperor Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Everything Fargo and Schafer said was 100% marketing from day one. It was all nonsense too, if you think about it. Just a stunt to take advantage of the anti-publisher sentiment many gamers have (and sentiment is all it is, they're all essentially conformists because they still keep buying those products). If you look back, turning games into a big business was neither a good nor bad thing, because a good game is like a good comic, or movie - a matter of pure luck of having talented people with a good idea in a good business arrangement. The reason Fargo, Schafer and others didn't get to make games was because they didn't have one or more of these things going for them. 2 И погибе Српски кнез Лазаре,И његова сва изгибе војска, Седамдесет и седам иљада;Све је свето и честито билоИ миломе Богу приступачно. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 (edited) Everything Fargo and Schafer said was 100% marketing from day one. It was all nonsense too, if you think about it. Just a stunt to take advantage of the anti-publisher sentiment many gamers have (and sentiment is all it is, they're all essentially conformists because they still keep buying those products). If you look back, turning games into a big business was neither a good nor bad thing, because a good game is like a good comic, or movie - a matter of pure luck of having talented people with a good idea in a good business arrangement. The reason Fargo, Schafer and others didn't get to make games was because they didn't have one or more of these things going for them. I disagree with your view. I think you are being overly critical. There are legitimate reasons to find funding outside the traditional business model of publishers owning the IP and determining the ultimate direction of the game. Sure Fargo maybe played this to his advantage but he had some valid points. There is no doubt in my mind that we wouldn't be seeing games similar to Wasteland 2 or PE if it wasn't for the likes of alternative funding schemes like KS. The real question needs to be " when the first of these new RPG is released will they offer us entertainment and be worth our funding" Edited July 12, 2013 by BruceVC 1 "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordicus Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 (edited) So Fargo's a long-term planner when it comes to marketing? Because I distinctly remember him not having many nice things to say about publishers even before Hunted: Demon's Forge was out Edited July 12, 2013 by Nordicus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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