Raithe Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 No. The Shadows and Vorlons were pretty consistent throughout, and even the reveal of Lorien in the 4th season wasn't close to the level of Radiant Youth/Starchild/Godchild. Because they thought it was going to be cancelled at the 4th season, JMS basically crunched the storyarc of the 4th and 5th season into one.. and then they got the notice that they were in fact getting a 5th year. So he stretched out the "post vorlon-shadow" war thing and sketched the "birthing pangs" of the Alliance. Kind of took a step back from that grand "elder aliens manipulating" and took a walk on "youngsters finally growing up" edge. "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entrerix Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 is babylon 5 worth watching now? i've never seen it, but recently started watching star trek the next generation, and am finding it to be enjoyable enough. i like some/most of JMS' comic book work, but have never seen any of bablyon 5 before Killing is kind of like playin' a basketball game. I am there. and the other player is there. and it's just the two of us. and I put the other player's body in my van. and I am the winner. - Nice Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgon Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 The effecs are laughable by today's standards, being what it is it's not really something you can look past. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raithe Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 It's one of those things, the pilot episode has some really bad special effects by todays standards.. But at the same time, B5 as a whole helped break the ground for developing good special effects (for the 90's) on a tv series budget rather then needing a movie budget. I wouldn't say the effects make or break it, since a lot of it is more about the characters, the dialogue, and the effects of their actions more then big action flash. Although like any sci-fi show, they do have their action sequences and space combat. It was also a break from standard shows in that JMS developed it with a plot that ran through 5 years. It wasn't episodic in the standard sense. There were a bunch of episodes you could enjoy watching on their own, but the majority of it was geared around a continuing flow of story and character growth - and that was one of the things that turned off some people from watching it. There were some highly entertaining/enjoyable characters in it, especially as you watched them develop. It does come across more as an ensemble cast then strictly about a couple of heroic figures - although the networks insisted on one shift, that led to a bit more light put on the human Captain - But they still had the rest putting in a fairly equal shine in the long run. The story runs from 2258-2262, based on the Babylon 5 space station. Set a little after an accidental war that nearly destroyed them, the humans try to establish a way to ensure that doesn't happen again by creating a place for all races to talk on neutral ground. The cast based around the human command crew, and the various "key" alien ambassadors and aides. So the five dominant races and then the assorted minor ones.. All shown with a fairly rich background and perspectives, all trying to get what's best for their species. As expected, a fair chunk of politics kicks along, races that don't like each other, have gruge history, conspiracies and assorted fun and games. Throw in the reveal of a pair of "Elder Races" that manipulate the younger races in an ongoing war of philosophy (Pretty much the split of "Law & Order" vs "Chaos and Growth") and levels of xenophobia versus cooperative good. JMS hits a lot of political / social landscapes in the stories and does the usual sci-fi poke at "modern themes and events". General exploration of war, peace, sacrifice, authoritarianism, free will, unrequited love, duty and all that. JMS actually wrote around 90+ of the total 100 and someodd episodes, so it's all pretty coherent and tied together. And he put in a whole bunch of red herrings and emergency trap doors in the storyline so he could react to external pressures and demands (such as if an actor left or such like) and still have the storylines make sense. 1 "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entrerix Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 sounds pretty interesting, i'll probably get around to watching the first few episodes to see if i can get into it Killing is kind of like playin' a basketball game. I am there. and the other player is there. and it's just the two of us. and I put the other player's body in my van. and I am the winner. - Nice Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tripleRRR Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Babylon 5 is my favorite sci-fi TV series to date. While the effects are dated the story and characters are quite amazing. It's still definitely worth watching today. 1 Using a gamepad to control an FPS is like trying to fight evil through maple syrup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raithe Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Babylon 5 is my favorite sci-fi TV series to date. While the effects are dated the story and characters are quite amazing. It's still definitely worth watching today. Word of God is that the actors playing Londo and G'kar tossed a coin to decide who was going to be the "bad" guy ... and from a general perspective, they're both so well written with the way they evolve, it's hard to tell who you could say is "bad" or "good"... "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giantevilhead Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 That's pretty standard for a series about contact with various alien races. There would be imperialism, a VOC company, a senate and a council, xenophobia and racism, sattelite wars. culture wars, technology exchange, psionics. How could you NOT have all those things. You could do without the reapers since it's just a very tired shtick. Except most popular sci-fi's don't have all those elements. Star Trek doesn't have them, neither does Star Wars, Stargate, Farscape, Andromeda, Firefly, Battlestar Galactica, Macross, Gundam, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted May 2, 2012 Author Share Posted May 2, 2012 Not just the popular ones, the best ones don't either (Lexx, Firefly, Blakes 7, Space 1999 etc.) “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greylord Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Just for irony, here's something of humor. Despite it's ending, you could actually GET to the ending of ME3 within the first day of release and it had at least a dozen (actually more like 20-30 at least) hours of gameplay to get there! And they even had Multiplayer! So how does Bio look now in relation to Blizzard? (not that they really were ever competing, but it's interesting the outrage there was about ME3's ending, in relation to the Server issues for D3). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entrerix Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 server issues were expected by most people, no one was prepared for how bad ME3 was going to be 1 Killing is kind of like playin' a basketball game. I am there. and the other player is there. and it's just the two of us. and I put the other player's body in my van. and I am the winner. - Nice Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 And there were Asians already on Hell level the first day. Diablo was killed within hours of release. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Just for irony, here's something of humor. Despite it's ending, you could actually GET to the ending of ME3 within the first day of release and it had at least a dozen (actually more like 20-30 at least) hours of gameplay to get there! And they even had Multiplayer! So how does Bio look now in relation to Blizzard? (not that they really were ever competing, but it's interesting the outrage there was about ME3's ending, in relation to the Server issues for D3). Can't really see them as comparable though, Diablo 3 will stabilize and become playable as the issue is external to the produced game. ME3's ending is static. 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entrerix Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 i know people who can get through diablo 2 normal difficulty in less than an hour i went through normal difficulty last week, i finished off act 4 after about 31 hours. Killing is kind of like playin' a basketball game. I am there. and the other player is there. and it's just the two of us. and I put the other player's body in my van. and I am the winner. - Nice Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oner Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 server issues were expected by most people, no one was prepared for how bad ME3 was going to be After Sovereign's "You're too stupid to understand our motives" speech, I did. And if you search long enough on this forum, you may even find the post I stated this too. Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostofAnakin Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 (edited) Can't really see them as comparable though, Diablo 3 will stabilize and become playable as the issue is external to the produced game. ME3's ending is static. This. At least D3 can fix the major issues plaguing its release (ie. server issues, bugs, etc.). We're almost 3 months since ME3's release, and the ending still sucks donkey nuts. Edited May 16, 2012 by GhostofAnakin 1 "Console exclusive is such a harsh word." - Darque"Console exclusive is two words Darque." - Nartwak (in response to Darque's observation) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Can't really see them as comparable though, Diablo 3 will stabilize and become playable as the issue is external to the produced game. ME3's ending is static. This. At least D3 can fix the major issues plaguing its release (ie. server issues, bugs, etc.). We're almost 3 months since ME3's release, and the ending still sucks donkey nuts. And the multiplayer problems haven't been addressed either. Poorly designed and unreliable store, ridiculous connectivity issues, mad lag, glitchy gameplay, etc. Most of those are in the game since day 1, and EA has done bugger all about it. Seriously, if anyone is still undecided, they should avoid this **** like the plague. It's hard to imagine that Blizz will handle problems worse than EA has. - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 "We're almost 3 months since ME3's release, and the ending still sucks donkey nuts. " 3 months later, ME3's ending is till better than most games including many other BIO game endings that don't get nearly the same flack. It's just cool to bash BIO noadays... yet still go out and buy/play their games. L0LZ 1 DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zero_or_more Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 After Sovereign's "You're too stupid to understand our motives" speech, I did. And if you search long enough on this forum, you may even find the post I stated this too. As it turns out it should have been more like: 'Our motives are too stupid to understand.' Words to avoid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orogun01 Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 After Sovereign's "You're too stupid to understand our motives" speech, I did. And if you search long enough on this forum, you may even find the post I stated this too. As it turns out it should have been more like: 'Our motives are too stupid to understand.' The worst part of it is when I actually get into arguments with actual intelligent people I know IRL, that are defending the ending because they "perceive" the meaning. What I hear its "I'm using my own brain to make sense of this cluster****" Can we put the Reapers on the Chaotic Stupid category? I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostofAnakin Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 "We're almost 3 months since ME3's release, and the ending still sucks donkey nuts. " 3 months later, ME3's ending is till better than most games including many other BIO game endings that don't get nearly the same flack. It's just cool to bash BIO noadays... yet still go out and buy/play their games. L0LZ Roofles. "Console exclusive is such a harsh word." - Darque"Console exclusive is two words Darque." - Nartwak (in response to Darque's observation) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blarghagh Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 (edited) "We're almost 3 months since ME3's release, and the ending still sucks donkey nuts. " 3 months later, ME3's ending is till better than most games including many other BIO game endings that don't get nearly the same flack. It's just cool to bash BIO noadays... yet still go out and buy/play their games. L0LZ I haven't complained, but then I haven't bought a Bio game since KoTOR. EDIT: To clarify, no, I didn't pirate them either. Edited May 20, 2012 by TrueNeutral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 So, guys... what happened to that "true ending" DLC? The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Slinky Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 So, guys... what happened to that "true ending" DLC? Coming later this year it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepenthe Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 So, guys... what happened to that "true ending" DLC? Coming later this year it seems. You're a cheery wee bugger, Nep. Have I ever said that? Reapercussions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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