Slowtrain Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 is might and magic 6 worth playing at this point if I've never played a might and magic game? IMO, M&M 6 is one of the best rpgs ever made, the highpoint of the franchise and the last one before the series turned into junk. There are some annoying bits to be sure, but every game has those. M&M 6 has fewer than most. However, I don't know if anyone who wasn't gaming at the time would enjoy it's mechanics if they were first coming to it now. Notice how I can belittle your beliefs without calling you names. It's a useful skill to have particularly where you aren't allowed to call people names. It's a mistake to get too drawn in/worked up. I mean it's not life or death, it's just two guys posting their thoughts on a message board. If it were personal or face to face all the usual restraints would be in place, and we would never have reached this place in the first place. Try to remember that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowtrain Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 M&M 6 is really grindy and features some pretty broken mechanics. There's huge numbers of enemies to be sure but I never found it grindy in a mmorpg way. It's just the gameplay style. I do think it would be a difficult play for anyone who is used to DA or ME or even Oblivion. Plus there is the party combat from a first-person viewpoint which I think would be really offputting to a gamer who didn't grow up with the style when it was common. Notice how I can belittle your beliefs without calling you names. It's a useful skill to have particularly where you aren't allowed to call people names. It's a mistake to get too drawn in/worked up. I mean it's not life or death, it's just two guys posting their thoughts on a message board. If it were personal or face to face all the usual restraints would be in place, and we would never have reached this place in the first place. Try to remember that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Yeah, I think of the character creation process for M&M 6-8 more as creating one bizarre 4-headed beast than as creating a party of adventurers. Also: Knight, Paladin, Druid, Sorcerer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigranes Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Does HOMM3 work like the later Age of Wonders series in that you're not only travelling with your heroes with RPG items and fighting turn based battles, but you're also navigating an overland map and dealing with strategic city-grabbing elements too? I found I love games that do the former (FF Tactics, Shining Force 2, etc) but never really enjoyed the latter. Let's Play: Icewind Dale Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Icewind Dale II Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Divinity II (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG1 (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG2 (In Progress) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted April 7, 2011 Author Share Posted April 7, 2011 Does HOMM3 work like the later Age of Wonders series in that you're not only travelling with your heroes with RPG items and fighting turn based battles, but you're also navigating an overland map and dealing with strategic city-grabbing elements too? I found I love games that do the former (FF Tactics, Shining Force 2, etc) but never really enjoyed the latter. Not sure how the later Age of Wonders series works, but yes, you do have a basic resource management and city grabbing aspect to it. Thats what provides your heroes with the cannon fodder that follows you into battle (and what allows you to upgrade units). “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humanoid Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 All I remember of the M&M6 combat was equipping the whole party with bows and firing away while backpedalling. I think I played the in-game card-game in M&M7 more than the game proper. L I E S T R O N GL I V E W R O N G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Why doesn't Obsidian do THIS with their press releases? http://kotaku.com/5789756/please-let-this-...-press-releases Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sorophx Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Thats what provides your heroes with the cannon fodder that follows you into battle IIRC, HOMM4 is very different. that's why it has a strong fan-base, despite the fact that HOMM3 fans hate it. Walsingham said: I was struggling to understand ths until I noticed you are from Finland. And having been educated solely by mkreku in this respect I am convinced that Finland essentially IS the wh40k universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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entrerix Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 M&M 6 is really grindy and features some pretty broken mechanics. There's huge numbers of enemies to be sure but I never found it grindy in a mmorpg way. It's just the gameplay style. I do think it would be a difficult play for anyone who is used to DA or ME or even Oblivion. Plus there is the party combat from a first-person viewpoint which I think would be really offputting to a gamer who didn't grow up with the style when it was common. my first crpg was fallout in 1997 (at which time it became my favorite game and spawned my love of the crpg). I see that M&M 6 came out in 1998, the same year as baldurs gate, so it cant be THAT archaic right? I only played jrpg's until fallout, so I haven't played any crpg's released before 1997. which in part, inspired my initial question. Killing is kind of like playin' a basketball game. I am there. and the other player is there. and it's just the two of us. and I put the other player's body in my van. and I am the winner. - Nice Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaesun Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 I think I played the in-game card-game in M&M7 more than the game proper. The only reason I have M&M 7 installed on my computer is only for the card game. Some of my Youtube Classic Roland MT-32 Video Game Music videos | My Music | My Photography Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmp10 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 M&M 6 is really grindy and features some pretty broken mechanics. There's huge numbers of enemies to be sure but I never found it grindy in a mmorpg way. It's just the gameplay style. I do think it would be a difficult play for anyone who is used to DA or ME or even Oblivion. Plus there is the party combat from a first-person viewpoint which I think would be really offputting to a gamer who didn't grow up with the style when it was common. my first crpg was fallout in 1997 (at which time it became my favorite game and spawned my love of the crpg). I see that M&M 6 came out in 1998, the same year as baldurs gate, so it cant be THAT archaic right? It can. Some dungeons in game may actually need days to clear providing you won't hit respawn time by the time your done. Add to that the seriously unbalanced spells - if you miss the right magic path you can screw yourself permanetly. In short - there is a reason why M&M and Wizardry series died out. Besides there are better candidates for seeing older WRPG more in line with standards Fallout/BG would later establish - you can check the likes of Dark Sun, Realms of Arkania or even Betrayal duology. They are a little older tho and it can be felt on the graphic/UI front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPGmasterBoo Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 M&M 6 is really grindy and features some pretty broken mechanics. There's huge numbers of enemies to be sure but I never found it grindy in a mmorpg way. It's just the gameplay style. I do think it would be a difficult play for anyone who is used to DA or ME or even Oblivion. Plus there is the party combat from a first-person viewpoint which I think would be really offputting to a gamer who didn't grow up with the style when it was common. my first crpg was fallout in 1997 (at which time it became my favorite game and spawned my love of the crpg). I see that M&M 6 came out in 1998, the same year as baldurs gate, so it cant be THAT archaic right? I only played jrpg's until fallout, so I haven't played any crpg's released before 1997. which in part, inspired my initial question. BG is far more user friendly and intuitive (gameplay wise, presuming you're familiar with DnD). There is a large leap in game design between those two games, and its pretty obvious which one has aged better. You'd never guess they were from the same year if you didn't know it in the first place. I tried playing M&M 6 and 7 and I could never get into it. To me it seemed dated even then. Imperium Thought for the Day: Even a man who has nothing can still offer his life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blarghagh Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 BG is far more user friendly and intuitive (gameplay wise, presuming you're familiar with DnD). Nope. I wasn't familiar with D&D when I first played BG and it worked fine for me. Only thing I didn't get was how Armor Class seemed to go "the wrong way", that's the only thing that didn't work for me right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPGmasterBoo Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 I wasn't familiar with DnD and some stuff was confusing as hell. To top that, it was my first RPG. Perhaps the latter reason was the more important one. Imperium Thought for the Day: Even a man who has nothing can still offer his life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice9 Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 IIRC, HOMM4 is very different. that's why it has a strong fan-base, despite the fact that HOMM3 fans hate it. HOMM4 is incredibly different. You can have hero-less armies, or those with multiple heroes, combat works differently, fortifications are substantially less useful, and there are a ton of other differences. Heroes 5 is basically Nival saying, "You know what was awesome? Heroes 3. Lets make that but 3D." Everything was beautiful. Nothing hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 http://kotaku.com/#!5790245/everything...of-space-marine A primer on the new game (space marine) and Warhammer 40k. Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oner Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Duke's Babes Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgoth Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Duke's Babes All this long waiting, all the hype, all the boobs and cool proverbs, and then it turns out to be a bad and outdated game. Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oner Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Duke's Babes All this long waiting, all the hype, all the boobs and cool proverbs, and then it turns out to be a bad and outdated game. Slap some regenerating healh on and lower the number of guns Duke can carry and there, good as new. Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgoth Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 I still think it won't compete with HL2 or Crysis 2. Duke just isn't a very ambitious game, and I don't like it when developers take the easy route. Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkreku Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 The game has been stuck in development hell for over a decade and you think the developers have taken the "easy route"? Swedes, go to: Spel2, for the latest game reviews in swedish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgoth Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 The game has been stuck in development hell for over a decade and you think the developers have taken the "easy route"? It shows the developers had no clue how to plan. This can't be good. Also, you have been reported for personal insult. Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 I'm pretty sure Morgoth is referring to the fact Duke Nukem is simplifying the FPS gameplay considerably. I read an interview in Game Informer and they are basically leaving out a lot of the staples in most modern FPS's like using cover and decent AI. It doesn't bother me, they are going retro, and if there is a shrink-ray I'm plenty happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entrerix Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 isnt being able to hold more than 2 weapons making the gameplay LESS simple? Killing is kind of like playin' a basketball game. I am there. and the other player is there. and it's just the two of us. and I put the other player's body in my van. and I am the winner. - Nice Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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