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[Hurlshort]

Why would anyone watch the debate? These aren't new candidates. You aren't going to learn something from them. What a waste of time and energy.

[Gorgon]

Well, we found out that Biden is past it and that the smart move would be to replace him

[ShadySands]

They won't. The only thing that can happen now is that Harris takes over once Biden is deemed unfit... but I still think Trump is going to win.

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You know it's funny when it rains it pours
They got money for wars, but can't feed the poor

Say there ain't no hope for the youth and the truth is
It ain't no hope for tha future

 

Edited Saturday at 12:15 AM by ShadySands

[Pidesco]

I'm really curious to hear what @Gromnir has to say about the recent Supreme Court decisions.

Seems like that's where the consequential stuff is happening right now.

[Gfted1]

Huh he hasnt been on since 3 Mar.

[Malcador]

Guess we can just hope the Dems take the Senate and House.

[Zoraptor]

I missed the debate completely. Not sure I really want to catch up from the descriptions.

20 hours ago, majestic said:

Yes, Trump's mental state is mostly okay. Of course. He is a stable genius after all. The most brilliant mind of the century. Ah, what am I talking about, he's the greatest thinker of the modern age. That half of the US population thinks that this moron with the intelligence of a lobotomized chimpanzee represents and embodies them is a scathing indictment of the US education system.

The weird thing is that he wasn't that far off. People were researching sunlight (UV) treatments and using lavage at least as a treatment at the time.

(Very little chance Trump was thinking of that though. Very little. And as with his shilling of horse dewormer, dangerous to say even if he had been that extensively briefed)

15 hours ago, Malcador said:

Being easily mocked doesn't mean you're funny though.

Hard to get away from Trump being real when it comes to him being funny. You can laugh at easily mockable characters like Mr Bean as is, but if you had to potentially deal with a very real President Bean it would not be funny. A fictional Trump... well he'd probably be thought of as being a US Alan B'stard, more a unrealistic overdone caricature than mockable per se.

(Of course Tory politicians somehow managed to make Mr B'stard look toned down and reserved over the next 30 years, ho hum)

[BruceVC]

11 hours ago, Gorgon said:

Well, we found out that Biden is past it and that the smart move would be to replace him

But thats  the problem  and real  criticism  towards the Dems political  Biden strategy making him  the candidate

We didnt find it out, we " knew  "   Biden had a  deterioration of his mental  acumen and the Dem strategists  ignored  this.  They got  over  confidant after  the midterms but they should have started  preparing a different candidate back then 

But now its  too late. Anyway only the undecided  voters  can save the Dems now but its  impossible to predict how they will vote 

 

 

 

[Zoraptor]

I ended up catching the 'highlights' of the debate. Far worse than I imagined in some ways, in others almost exactly as expected. I mentioned Mr Bean previous, and watching that I far too often had 'Bean cringe' where vicarious embarrassment* made me want to hide behind the couch.

Managing to pick one candidate that lost to Trump was astounding, and it looks like the Democrats have somehow contrived to do it twice. It's certainly not that that was a vote winning performance for Trump- if his opponent was a pot plant we might be getting President Cyclamen next January based on his performance- but that had to be hugely demoralising for the democrats, especially anyone considering holding their nose to vote for a candidate they don't really like or want. It may still be possible to generate enough antienthusiasm for Trump to get the vote out but it's going to be far more difficult to have enthusiasm for Biden.

There doesn't seem to be much self reflection in the Democrat hierarchy about how they got here either, much the same as blaming Berniebros and anything/ anyone else for Hillary losing. I actually agree with Bruce, this was not a surprise to anyone except perhaps Democrat bigwigs living in their self reinforcing circle. That was a terminal performance, there is nothing that can be done to fix it. The only hope is that Trump contrives to do worse.

*at times it was far worse than embarrassment, it was far closer to pity. As one of the people the BBC interviewed for their report said, at times it just felt cruel and a bit sad.

[Bartimaeus]

All I have to do is remember the Supreme Court and their ongoing spree of suspect decisions - with the possibility of Trump getting to nominate even more of his justices while also trying to make good on unitary executive theory - and I suddenly get very enthusiastic about voting for Biden again. Of course, I didn't watch the debate in the first place because seeing both of these guys speak makes me uncomfortable, albeit in different ways: ignorance in this particular way, at least, is bliss.

[Hurlshort]

A vote for Biden is a vote for his team,  which are likely pulling most of the levers at this point. They are going to push the agenda of the party so they can all keep their jobs.

A vote for Trump is a vote for Trump. Sure, he has a team, and they may try to influence him, but they are also just trying to hang on until they have enough stories to cut loose and write a good memoir. 

[Gorth]