AndreaColombo Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 The nerf gods have spoken They should add a Josh god challenge where every item and ability in the game have their beneficial effects reduced by 75%. 6 "Time is not your enemy. Forever is." — Fall-From-Grace, Planescape: Torment "It's the questions we can't answer that teach us the most. They teach us how to think. If you give a man an answer, all he gains is a little fact. But give him a question, and he'll look for his own answers." — Kvothe, The Wise Man's Fears My Deadfire mods: Brilliant Mod | Faster Deadfire | Deadfire Unnerfed | Helwalker Rekke | Permanent Per-Rest Bonuses | PoE Items for Deadfire | No Recyled Icons | Soul Charged Nautilus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneCommander Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 The nerf gods have spoken They should add a Josh god challenge where every item and ability in the game have their beneficial effects reduced by 75%. And a new mega boss that gets ten times stronger every time someone complains about a nerf. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draego Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) The nerf gods have spoken They should add a Josh god challenge where every item and ability in the game have their beneficial effects reduced by 75%. And a new mega boss that gets ten times stronger every time someone complains about a nerf. Ye i saw that a while back. I like sith old man Josh. let the hate make you stronger Edited August 30, 2018 by draego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jww Posted August 30, 2018 Author Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) Not exactly the solution I was hoping for, but maybe if they had buffed the other styles, it would have resulted in more people complaining about the game being too easy? (note, I'm not one of those people) I wonder what the numeric comparisons look like after this change? Edited August 30, 2018 by jww Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somnium_Meum Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 I don't know if it was mentioned, but there's rather interesting interaction going on when you equip ranged weapon with reload in main hand and ranged weapon with recovery in off-hand - for example pistol MH and scepter OH. Full attacks with such setup don't have reload nor recovery, and can be spammed back-to-back until you run out of resources. Im not sure if it is bug or feature, but it's extremely powerful as it allows you to dump DEX and still have monstrous damage (esp. if you are multiclassing any 2 of rogue/ranger/fighter/pally) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mant2si Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) Yeah more nerfs :D Edited August 30, 2018 by mant2si Solo PotD builds: The Glanfathan Soul Hunter (Neutral seer. Dominate and manipulate your enemies), Harbinger of Doom (Dark shaman. Burn and sacrifice, yourself and enemies for Skaen sake) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaylon Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 I don't know if it was mentioned, but there's rather interesting interaction going on when you equip ranged weapon with reload in main hand and ranged weapon with recovery in off-hand - for example pistol MH and scepter OH. Full attacks with such setup don't have reload nor recovery, and can be spammed back-to-back until you run out of resources. Im not sure if it is bug or feature, but it's extremely powerful as it allows you to dump DEX and still have monstrous damage (esp. if you are multiclassing any 2 of rogue/ranger/fighter/pally) I don't know how you tested it but it's not true at all. You have recovery with the scepter in the OH or reload if the pistol is in the OH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegdarth Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Full Attacks made while dual wielding will now receive a -35% penalty to the damage they deal. NEEEEEEERF yep.https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/105415-v210-is-now-available-on-the-beta-branch/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brasilgringo Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Full Attacks made while dual wielding will now receive a -35% penalty to the damage they deal. NEEEEEEERF yep. https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/105415-v210-is-now-available-on-the-beta-branch/ Ouch. So where does this leave the 2H vs. dual-wield debate, especially on classes like Rogue and Pally that were spamming full attacks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerith Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 (edited) I'm guessing that dw is still very slightly stronger when spamming full attacks, though 2h weapons with unique aoe properties could pull ahead, depends on a lot of the build too, like dw is usually very cut and dry, slap on any straightforward martial class, while 2h builds are more unique (WotEP, Voulge, Citzal). Edited August 31, 2018 by Clerith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1TTFFSSE Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I thought about this and I think a fair solution would be to increase the resource cost all of full attacks when wielding two weapons by 1 resource point and not nerf the damage - that way they still retain their purpose of delivering bursty damage when needed. Would be better than a -35% reduction in damage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunehunter Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I don't know if it was mentioned, but there's rather interesting interaction going on when you equip ranged weapon with reload in main hand and ranged weapon with recovery in off-hand - for example pistol MH and scepter OH. Full attacks with such setup don't have reload nor recovery, and can be spammed back-to-back until you run out of resources. Im not sure if it is bug or feature, but it's extremely powerful as it allows you to dump DEX and still have monstrous damage (esp. if you are multiclassing any 2 of rogue/ranger/fighter/pally) I don't know how you tested it but it's not true at all. You have recovery with the scepter in the OH or reload if the pistol is in the OH. Don’t make assumptions, TEST it. He means scepter in mainhand and pistol in offhand. In this way since full attack abilities use offhand recovery time and firearm has no recovery only reload. You actually CAN spam full attacks without recover. Imo it is a bug and should be fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorddarkflare Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 (edited) I actually like the solution. -35% seems a bit much right now, but I think this is a case where we should do the math and see how it shakes out. Edited August 31, 2018 by lorddarkflare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grasida Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Do we know how the -35% is implemented? Is it a multiplicative effect or additive, like most similar effects? I would guess it’s addictive, but affected by the dreaded double inversion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1TTFFSSE Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I don't know if it was mentioned, but there's rather interesting interaction going on when you equip ranged weapon with reload in main hand and ranged weapon with recovery in off-hand - for example pistol MH and scepter OH. Full attacks with such setup don't have reload nor recovery, and can be spammed back-to-back until you run out of resources. Im not sure if it is bug or feature, but it's extremely powerful as it allows you to dump DEX and still have monstrous damage (esp. if you are multiclassing any 2 of rogue/ranger/fighter/pally) I don't know how you tested it but it's not true at all. You have recovery with the scepter in the OH or reload if the pistol is in the OH. Don’t make assumptions, TEST it. He means scepter in mainhand and pistol in offhand. In this way since full attack abilities use offhand recovery time and firearm has no recovery only reload. You actually CAN spam full attacks without recover. Imo it is a bug and should be fixed. Don't you have to reload the pistol in that case for the next full attack or is there a bug that ignores you reloading between full attacks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunehunter Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I don't know if it was mentioned, but there's rather interesting interaction going on when you equip ranged weapon with reload in main hand and ranged weapon with recovery in off-hand - for example pistol MH and scepter OH. Full attacks with such setup don't have reload nor recovery, and can be spammed back-to-back until you run out of resources. Im not sure if it is bug or feature, but it's extremely powerful as it allows you to dump DEX and still have monstrous damage (esp. if you are multiclassing any 2 of rogue/ranger/fighter/pally) I don't know how you tested it but it's not true at all. You have recovery with the scepter in the OH or reload if the pistol is in the OH. Don’t make assumptions, TEST it. He means scepter in mainhand and pistol in offhand. In this way since full attack abilities use offhand recovery time and firearm has no recovery only reload. You actually CAN spam full attacks without recover. Imo it is a bug and should be fixed. Don't you have to reload the pistol in that case for the next full attack or is there a bug that ignores you reloading between full attacks? Yep bug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaylon Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I don't know if it was mentioned, but there's rather interesting interaction going on when you equip ranged weapon with reload in main hand and ranged weapon with recovery in off-hand - for example pistol MH and scepter OH. Full attacks with such setup don't have reload nor recovery, and can be spammed back-to-back until you run out of resources. Im not sure if it is bug or feature, but it's extremely powerful as it allows you to dump DEX and still have monstrous damage (esp. if you are multiclassing any 2 of rogue/ranger/fighter/pally) I don't know how you tested it but it's not true at all. You have recovery with the scepter in the OH or reload if the pistol is in the OH. Don’t make assumptions, TEST it. He means scepter in mainhand and pistol in offhand. In this way since full attack abilities use offhand recovery time and firearm has no recovery only reload. You actually CAN spam full attacks without recover. Imo it is a bug and should be fixed. Have you tested yourself? What makes you think I didn't test? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunehunter Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I don't know if it was mentioned, but there's rather interesting interaction going on when you equip ranged weapon with reload in main hand and ranged weapon with recovery in off-hand - for example pistol MH and scepter OH. Full attacks with such setup don't have reload nor recovery, and can be spammed back-to-back until you run out of resources. Im not sure if it is bug or feature, but it's extremely powerful as it allows you to dump DEX and still have monstrous damage (esp. if you are multiclassing any 2 of rogue/ranger/fighter/pally) I don't know how you tested it but it's not true at all. You have recovery with the scepter in the OH or reload if the pistol is in the OH. Don’t make assumptions, TEST it. He means scepter in mainhand and pistol in offhand. In this way since full attack abilities use offhand recovery time and firearm has no recovery only reload. You actually CAN spam full attacks without recover. Imo it is a bug and should be fixed. Have you tested yourself? What makes you think I didn't test? Of course I test everything I post here. That's why I know you didn't test it. If you want proof, here u go I use two set here, scepter in main/pistol in offhand. And pistol in main/scepter in offhand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somnium_Meum Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Im sorry for misinformation, yes, it's scepter MH, pistol OH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerith Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 (edited) Do we know how the -35% is implemented? Is it a multiplicative effect or additive, like most similar effects? I would guess it’s addictive, but affected by the dreaded double inversion. I expected it to be a simple -35% multiplicative after everything else, but someone said it goes into the damage calcs and ends up being -55% additive damage. Meaning it'll hurt rogue less than the others. Edited August 31, 2018 by Clerith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeroer Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I don't know if it was mentioned, but there's rather interesting interaction going on when you equip ranged weapon with reload in main hand and ranged weapon with recovery in off-hand - for example pistol MH and scepter OH. Full attacks with such setup don't have reload nor recovery, and can be spammed back-to-back until you run out of resources. Im not sure if it is bug or feature, but it's extremely powerful as it allows you to dump DEX and still have monstrous damage (esp. if you are multiclassing any 2 of rogue/ranger/fighter/pally) I don't know how you tested it but it's not true at all. You have recovery with the scepter in the OH or reload if the pistol is in the OH.Don’t make assumptions, TEST it. He means scepter in mainhand and pistol in offhand. In this way since full attack abilities use offhand recovery time and firearm has no recovery only reload. You actually CAN spam full attacks without recover. Imo it is a bug and should be fixed. Have you tested yourself? What makes you think I didn't test? I also tested this after I read the bug report and it is like dunehunter et al. describe. I guess that's why they think you didn't test it yourself. Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorftek Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Must be a new bug? I've tried this before and i wouldn't get zero recovery unless I canceled the full attack before the pistol shot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeroer Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Maybe the timing has to be right. Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorftek Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 (edited) Perhaps I was experimenting with this some weeks ago and it didn't work for me back then but like u say it might be a timing thing and I always keep my combat speed on max. Edited August 31, 2018 by Dorftek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxQuest Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 (edited) Have you tested yourself? What makes you think I didn't test? Of course I test everything I post here. That's why I know you didn't test it. If you want proof, here u go I use two set here, scepter in main/pistol in offhand. And pistol in main/scepter in offhand. Ha, nice find Have just tested it, and can confirm) You need a ranged_weapon_with_recovery in mainhand, and ranged_weapon_with_reload in offhand. Must be a new bug? I've tried this before and i wouldn't get zero recovery unless I canceled the full attack before the pistol shot.It's definitely a new bug. I remember I was checking this after release or during v1.1, and behaviour was different. Btw, chaining full-attacks with 1h_reload weapons in both hands has also changed: > it was before: [mh_attack -> oh_attack] -> {oh_reload -> [mh_attack -> oh_attack]} * n > but now it is: [mh_attack -> oh_attack] -> {mh_reload -> [mh_attack -> oh_attack]} * n For example I was putting blunderbuss in main hand, and pistol (with rushed reload) in offhand. Because after testing 3 months ago, I knew that only reload of offhand will be used. I had a feeling recently, that my MC became slower, and here's the reason. Will need to swap the hands now. Another thing that was stealthily changed is: we didn't need to reload MH weapon after quick switching. For example you had 3 pistols A, B, C: mainset: A, B offset: A, C And spammed Full-Attack->Quick Switch in a cycle: full-attack (A_attack, B_attack) -> Quick Switch -> full_attack (A_attack, C_attack) -> Quick Switch -> full-attack (B_reload, A_attack, B_attack) -> Quick Switch -> full-attack (C_reload, A_attack, C_attack) -> and so on i.e. pistol A could fire without reloading at all because it was in mainhand. But, have just tested, and it's vice-versa now: weapon in offhand can fire without reloading. I presume that this change is the one that indirectly led to the bug discovered by dunehunter. Edited August 31, 2018 by MaxQuest 1 PoE1 useful stuff: attack speed calculator, unofficial patch mod, attack speed mechanics, dot mechanics, modals exclusivity rules PoE2 useful stuff: community patch, attack speed mechanics, enemy AR and defenses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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