so charge is totally useless now?

[Archaven]

deals no damage 4s stun. thought they fixed how fighters were only meatshield now 1.1 they make them meatshields again?

[Shadenuat]

It's mobility/interrupt option. P. useful regardless of damage. Although it's strange that Monk can have damage on similar ability but Fighter can't.

[AeonsLegend]

It's a long range instant interrupt and reliable AoE stun. I don't like that they removed the damage part, but it is very useful.

[theBalthazar]

there was an other option for obsidian.

 

= primary attack

 

or more...

 

Upgrade --> Charge with primary attack.

[Lokithecat]

Any attack on a large 'scale' attack like this would be a balancing nightmare, with triggered effects.  Thats why they removed attacks off it in the first place.

 

If anything Charge + X damage, or additional effects, like Disoriented, for an upgrade.

[dunehunter]

If it cause 4 discipline and comes late in the game like heart of fury, I’m fine with it with full attacks, 2 discipline + comes at Tier 4 is too good.

[AndreaColombo]

Personally I think nerfing from "Full Attack" to "Primary Attack" would have been enough, but I'm OK with Stun too. It's a good CC effect and I was using Charge to reach priority targets fast more than to hurt those caught in the middle anyway.

[AeonsLegend]

I think it's the most powerful interrupt/stun in the game at the moment. There's nothing else that can instastun at that range.

[evilcat]

Stun is fun. Also gap closer for melee is always good. Even better if you are unbroken. So in some situationals it is ok.

[Verde]

It's a fighter's most reliable way of getting in the muck quick. It's def not useless.

Edited June 20, 2018 by Verde

[Myztik]

They should be facepulling, why would they need to 'get in the muck quick.'

[Bill Gates' Son]

People used it for the damage?  Strange; I always used it for the mobility.  

[Verde]

They should be facepulling, why would they need to 'get in the muck quick.'

Can you face pull full mobs? No. Send your fighter for maximum engagement. Can you move around with facepulling? No. The stun/interrupt is icing the cake. Stop complaining the minute an OP skill gets reasonably nerfed.

Edited June 21, 2018 by Verde

[Dorftek]

It's mobility/interrupt option. P. useful regardless of damage. Although it's strange that Monk can have damage on similar ability but Fighter can't.

Well monks only make a full attack on the target and not every target caught in between like charge did. If I am not mistaken.

 

Charge was a cheaper heart of fury available much earlier. Was pretty messed up. Especially when you also consider that cleave was a passive heart of fury that they also had

[dunehunter]

 

It's mobility/interrupt option. P. useful regardless of damage. Although it's strange that Monk can have damage on similar ability but Fighter can't.

Well monks only make a full attack on the target and not every target caught in between like charge did. If I am not mistaken.

 

You are mistaken unfortunately 

[MaxQuest]

deals no damage 4s stun. thought they fixed how fighters were only meatshield now 1.1 they make them meatshields again?

In v1.0.2 charge was amaaazing. Especially for mc ascendants who could get max focus in 1 charge.

In v1.1.0 charge is no longer an ability a tank or dps fighter will use. It looks to me that it's more suiting a cc-inclined multi-class build. Think of 3-MIG illusionist-unbroken, who charges around and inflicts stun (from charge) and terrified+sickened (via repulsive vissage).

 

People used it for the damage?  Strange; I always used it for the mobility.

It was doing quite decent damage in v1.0.2.

Imagine charging with Scordeo Trophy + Thundercrack. And let's say you charge 4 times through 4 enemies.

 

That's 32 pistol shots for around 30-60 damage each. Or ~1440 damage.

Plus 16 Opening Barrage stacks (16 x -15% recovery time), so you'll have ~20s acting like on steroids with recovery reduced by x3.72.

Plus most of the enemies will be paralyzed due to Thundercrack.

And all it takes is around 10s. And could be repeated per-encounter.

Edited June 21, 2018 by MaxQuest

[Lord_Mord]

Yes, charge is not a no brainer anymore, so it finally makes sense to use other fighter abilites.

[Zoso der Goldene]

deals no damage 4s stun. thought they fixed how fighters were only meatshield now 1.1 they make them meatshields again?

Have ciphers cast Ectopsychic Echo on the your fighter, or have your priest cast Hand of Weal and Woe before the Charge, and then Charge again.

[Erik Dirk]

 

 

It's mobility/interrupt option. P. useful regardless of damage. Although it's strange that Monk can have damage on similar ability but Fighter can't.

Well monks only make a full attack on the target and not every target caught in between like charge did. If I am not mistaken.

 

You are mistaken unfortunately 

 

Doesn't Flagellants Path just deal damage to enemies, but not perform an attack?

I.e. Any additional effects will only proc on the final target. 

Charge which can proc any additional attack effects is obviously OP.

There's a reason why carnage deals raw damage and it isn't to control barbarian damage.

[gkathellar]

The problem with a 4-second stun is that this is a game with 3-second recovery times. That's less-impressive than it looks on paper.

 

I still don't get why they couldn't give it a fixed damage number, as in PoE1.

[Boeroer]

That's a good question: why not implementing it like in PoE where it did a Full Attack at the target but "simple" crush damage (not weapon related) to the enemies in between?

 

I personally think that stun is equally useful - just curious why that hassle of reinventing the wheel?

[AndreaColombo]

I personally think that stun is equally useful - just curious why that hassle of reinventing the wheel?

<Insert obligatory joke equating Josh to Eothas>

[Zoso der Goldene]

 

I personally think that stun is equally useful - just curious why that hassle of reinventing the wheel?

<Insert obligatory joke equating Josh to Eothas>

 

Hmm, that also includes just tearing it down and having someone else reinvent it.

Edited June 21, 2018 by Zoso der Goldene

[Gromnir]

The problem with a 4-second stun is that this is a game with 3-second recovery times. That's less-impressive than it looks on paper.

 

I still don't get why they couldn't give it a fixed damage number, as in PoE1.

still pretty impressive as deadfire is a party-based game.  numerous other party members (potentially four) will be able to exploit the stunned target for at least one attack.  hell, we give eder-tank a club and charge.  at least one enemy will have a good chance o' having their will decreased and suffering from stun... and chances are good such enemies will also be blinded by the near ubiquitous chill fog which follows a Gromnir party.  regardless, am suspecting most folks can find a way to exploit 4+ second stun in a party-based game... unless they go full ai for every encounter.

 

we wouldn't recommend changes to charge as it is already a powerful ability.  the main use we get from charge is the enhanced battlefield movement afforded by the ability.  "useless" descriptor o' charge is either hyperbolic or is resulting from having the tactical sophistication o' a squirrel paralyzed by oncoming traffic.

 

HA! Good Fun!

[AeonsLegend]

That's a good question: why not implementing it like in PoE where it did a Full Attack at the target but "simple" crush damage (not weapon related) to the enemies in between?

 

I personally think that stun is equally useful - just curious why that hassle of reinventing the wheel?

Actually, and I repeat this too often. It did crush damage and a full attack on the target in PoE. It was crazy overpowered.