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I didn't say that. I said they tend to be stronger at higher levels. I mean just because most of the highest PL abilites are very strong. Look at Gamit/Vanishing Strikes/Resonant Touch/Whispers of the Wind/Whirling Strikes/HoF/Driving Roar/Meteor Shower/Maelstrom/Clean Sweep an whatnot. And they have +2 PL in general which means +10% more base damage, longer base durations, higher base ACC with abilites. On the other hand the multiclasses have more resources, start stronger and can have great synergies. It's not balanced in every case, but all in all I'd say the balance between single class and multiclass is there. I personally find most single classes more useful in a party than multiclasses in general. There are exceptions of course. But for example it's better in my opinion to bring a Berseker with Grave Calling and a Beckoner than to bring a Berseker/Beckoner. Same functionality but more power levels and way better high level stuff - adn they can act in parallel. You lose a party slot though. By the way single class Rogues and his high level problems (3 attacks: all dead): I guess most people don't realize how good certain abilites are because they never play single classes till the end. Gambit and esp. Vanishing Strike are very strong (the invisibility doesn't break - no matter what you do).

It's spell levels, not spells. That should mean it can reflect a lot of Thrust of Tattered Veils (spell level 1) but only two Killing Bolts (spell level 7). I never use those though because they only reflect targeted spells - those are spells that you have to target directly on an enemy. AoE spells won't get affected.

Huh? Why less hp? Afaik the starting health of each multiclass gets added and devided by 2 = multiclass health? If you mix a Barb (higher health) with a Wizard (lower health) you'll have lower health overall than a single class barb - or not? And yes, the single class is a but weaker at the start of the game because of the frontloaded multiclass - but I donÄt see that as a problem since the single class usually is stronger at the higher levels. Multiclass: start strong, flat progression, single class: start weaker, steeper progression. So overall I don't see a fundamental balancing problem. The only thing is that players who dabble into builds and have restarteritis could get the impression that multclass is generally better. Which is not the case if you look at a complete playthrough.

In my description of the Beckoner in Pt-Br, it says that the invocations have 50% of the original life and are smaller (visually). Just say that, nothing to last less, this is the invention of the people. Note: The cost of Beckoner invocations is -1 (I think in this case they are cheaper), if the default is 4 the Beckoner would be 3. What game version do you have? Because Beckoner Summons are actually one point more expensive (4 instead of 3 in case of skeletons) and the description of the Beckoner passive clearly states that the summons are smaller, have less health and less duration (actual game version 4.1): So it's def. not "the invention of the people".

Figurines have charges. If you use them too often they are empty and you can throw them into the trashbin.

If you know that they get the equal amount of points, why do you complain? Even at the start of the game (the first few levels on the beach + wilderness) the single class gets acces to PL 2 at lvl 3 while the multiclass has to wait for lvl 4. THis is all fairly well balanced. Multiclass chars start a bit better usually because they are front-loaded with lvl-0-passives but the single class catches up pretty soon and then is ahead when it comes to higher lvl abilities and PL scaling but lacks resources. I can't see where this is a problem. Most likely because it isn't. And then we even haven't talked about the higher levels where single classes get access to PL 8 and 9 which are generally better than ,ost stuff multiclasses can unlock at those levels.

Still good as new.

It doesn't do a Full Attack on everybody in the path, but at the target. With mortars that means some crush damage on the path (plus additional effects when upgraded) and an AoE Full Attack once you reach your destination *boom*. The good thing is that Flagellant's Patch has its own recovery and overrides reload. That means you can do Stunning Surge + Flagellant's Path with zero recovery/reload in between. Two Full Attacks with zero pause in between is great. And also after Flagellanth's Path was done you have a short recovery and no lenghty reload. You an spam it pretty much until your Mortification is gone. You can build up tremendous amounts of Resonant Touches with that in short time - and since it doesn't use wounds you can always use it as backup for Whispers should you be short on wounds. As mortar Monk you have to use it in my opinion. It's a must-have.

Afaik nothing about those mechanics changed.

Beckoner summons had the same duration as Troubadour summons when I checked 5 min ago. Did they change that? Because the description of the Beckoner passive still says shorter duration. But in my case they were all the same - just smaller and less durable.

I make it sound like that because it does. They get more Power Levels as well. 9 instead of 7. All in all Multiclass chars will have 27 ability points at lvl 20 and single class will have 28:

Yes, Whsipers of the Wind works like before. As does Flagellant's Path. For a single class Monk with mortars the "only" nerfs(?) are Stunning Surge (doesn't stun in an AoE) and Turning Wheel (which you can skip now).

Many thanks ^^ can’t wait to try it out. I think (at least from paper) , this suit my play style very well hehe . :D I just tried it out with an Ancient + Streetfighter and it's pretty great. Drop sporelings as distraction, cast Insect Swarm, Plague and Infestation on the crowd (all foe only), cast a Moonwell and then run into their midst, get flanked and finish off the last ones standing with with Sneak+Deathblows + Boar's raw DoT + Deep Wounds + Greater Wildstrike Corrode. Ring the Bell left and Right - but only attack every enemy once - they will die soon enough from the massive DoTs and you want to keep the flanked status. Cripling Strikes doing 160+ direct dmg + DoTs (Deep Wounds and Boar wounding). Didn't even use Hylea's Talons. I guess Trickster would also work well - more defensive, less dmg.

Sure I will forget to use consumables. That's what I always do.

Single class picks 2 abilities per level up more often afterwards because of higher Power Level.

Erm... Obsdian specifially asked for feedback and suggestions on the new Beta Turn Based Mode. So if somebody plays the turn based mode and has some ideas how to improve it: how is she/he a "minmax anal fool"? And how exactly does one minmax anal? So... didn't you take your happy troll pills for breakfast or what's the matter?

Since the purpose of godlikes is to store essence for the gods as "backup battery" - and since the gods can most likely also draw the essence from Rathûn and Eyeless(?): maybe... Though I guess technically godlikes (born kith) and constructs (made vessels) are quite different. I don't know if Rathûn are made or born... But they seem to have a free will.

I mourn for all you rogue lovers.

Windows...

They never did with the AoE of weapons like Citzal's (-10 deflection). They still do with AoE abilites like HoF or Clear Out. Those are not weapon-inherent AoE "splashes" but real primary attacks done to all enemies in range.

I tested this and it's not that great compared to a Troubadour with the same items. Just because the Troubadour lets out invocations nearly twice as often. More jumps on Eld Nary's Curse are great, but it's also great if you can dish it out nearly twice as often while not losing chant AoE size. Also the Bellower PL gain is borked somehow. My Eld Nary's Curses don't jump more often with a Bellower's PL boost than they do with a Troubadour. Also offensive chants that hit enemies and apply effects (Soft Winds, Dragon Thrashed, Weakening Chant) don't care for missing linger time. They still have 10 secs base duration on the enemy.

Let's say 24 seconds and forget the casting time for a bit: Troubadour: generates 8 phrases --> can cast 2 skeleton invocations that cost 4 each --> 6 skeletons Beckoner: generates 4 phrases --> can cast 1 skeleton invocation that costs 4 --> 6 skeletons So in 24 secs the troubadour summons the same amount of summons - but they are sturdier and bigger. At the same time he can produce a skeleton every 3 seconds whith "Many Lives Pass By" while the Beckoner can only produce eone every 6 seconds: So in 24 seconds the Troubadour summons 12 skeletons while the Beckoner summons 9. 6 of those are whimpy. The advantage of the Beckoner is that all 6 come out at once and do damage right away - and that you can profit from killed summons. Which is easier if they die faster.

Yes, max MIG and INT. For max AoE DoTs use Spine of Thicket Green (can be stolen early), for weapon DoTs use Battle Axes. Or hey: the Boar form also does wounding DoT. So maybe Spine when casting Dot's and shifting to Boar form when going melee? Kepp in mind: Hylea's Talons and Belt of Magran's Chosen will stay on you when shifted, giving you even more melee lashes than Wildstrike. Those work very well with rogue's dmg bonuses. Use Persistant Distraction and/or other PER afflictions or spells with two afflictions (Venombloom for example) to immediately unlock Deathblows later on.

They omit the fact that the Beckoner pays more phrases for an invocation AND can't generate phrases as quickly as a Troubadour. That means he usually can't keep summons on the field all the time. He will be busy only summoning if he wants to do that. Nothing else. It also means that the Troubadour can summon more creatures in a given time. Because he can generate twice as fast (so twiche the summoning frequency) while his "Many Lives Pass By" will produce a skeleton passively ever 3 seconds!

It seems that the godlikes are more based on aspects of the gods, not that there's necessarily "the" standard godlike for every god. That could mean that there's not only Endings Godlikes touched by Rymrgand, but also Frost Godlikes or so. Basically we could see Rathun's as a different form of Magranite Godlikes, couldn't we?