The US Election, Part X

[Longknife]

 

 

You could hypothetically become president by winning something like 11 states by only 1 vote and not getting a single vote anywhere else

 

This is why I find the US system a bit odd, but hey, it's their playfield and they live with their choices and how they occur. Never really was interested in the mechanics, but it seems odd to me, that you can have such huge disparities between direct and indirect election method and for me it'd be logical that the indirect should move towards the direct one in terms of representation of results

 

 

I think that's the entire point of the electoral college system. To prevent population-rich states from dictating federal policy by virtue of having more voters. For better or worse it's working as intended.

 

 

It makes sense, it's just not often significant because the idea is...Let's say you have the EU vote on legislation. Pure population would be unfair and would be to the detriment of smaller states like Denmark and the Netherlands, even if they have drastically different cultures that should be recognized individually. Thus, each country needs some degree of more equal representation to account for their cultural differences.

 

In USA it's less blatantly neccesary since the cultural differences are mild, but I would argue this election is actually one of the first in a while that highlighted the need for the system. I would argue Michigan in particular is a great example of a state with a different outlook on things compared to the average USA state. When our economy is hurting, Michigan feels it first, and as such, Michigan has proven very unpredictable this election cycle because they've experienced issues many other states cannot even imagine. As such, Michigan has a very unique view moving forward that other states probably can't quite relate to.

 

For this issue, Michigan is a decent-sized State, but imagine if those unique problems were Alaska. Imagine if fracking for example largely occured in Alaska, and because the area was so remote and disconnected from middle America, politicians had an easier time downplaying the problems of fracking. If fracking were a major point for the election, then yes, I would like to see Alaska get their 3 electorate representation even if their population is peanuts compared to most states. Or let's say another election climate change is really affecting certain states that are barely above sea level as the sea level actually begins to rise. You might see a spike amongst these states voting for a candidate against climate change whilst landlocked ones that are less affected hardly consider that issue to be important. Cultures may not differ, but experiences regarding policies definitely can.

 

But yeah, the system is good in theory, it's just often a spark for frustration because the effects of it can be exceedingly subtle or seldomly pivotal.

Edited November 9, 2016 by Longknife

[Ben No.3]

How is it unfair if I take into account only the votes of the entire EU? It doesn't matter how big your homecountry will be, every vote will be just a bite of a EU citizen. No country-tied votes

[pmp10]

It seems that 47% of eligible voters didn't bother to vote.  So at least there is lot of people that people can blame for next 4 years. No need for self-reflection 

 

It also seems that only ethnicity group that matters in US is whites.

This would mean that white men would even elect Trump in California.

I doubt you can explain that with just economy.

Looks like a major cultural backlash.

[Drowsy Emperor]

 

How is the electoral system correcting that? The electors are the sum of representatives and senators of which only senators are chosen on an equal basis. Representatives are chosen on the basis of population and they make up the  majority of a state's electors (apart from the 7 smallest states).

 

So barring that small adjustment, it is the population numbers that dictate the results of the election.

 

Wyoming, which has population bit less than 600k has three electoral votes, so about 1 vote per 200k people

California, which has population of about 39 145 000 has 55 electoral votes, which is about 1 vote per 700k people.

 

 

But that's just because they have to have at least one representative and two senators. Yes it does make the system more egalitarian (from the point of view of the state as an entity, less so if you're looking at the value of a persons vote), but it doesn't really affect the overall power ratio all that much. 

Edited November 9, 2016 by Drowsy Emperor

[majestic]

How is it unfair if I take into account only the votes of the entire EU? It doesn't matter how big your homecountry will be, every vote will be just a bite of a EU citizen. No country-tied votes

 

Let's not pollute the US election thread with EU politics, but for that to be fair we'd first have to dismantle all EU members' ruling bodies. I'd rather see the current system fixed by, well, simply removing the requirement for votes to be unanimous and somehow making sure retards like Oettinger aren't allowed on the Commission.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RrEQ8Ovw-Q

 

Yeah. Thanks for contributing that guy, Germany.

[Ben No.3]

Oh yeah that guy... Er.... Look, I'm sorry

[Drowsy Emperor]

That's what happens when you  let google translate your speech into a language you barely speak.

[HoonDing]

"There was a moment in Hillary's concession speech where she sounded like a human being, about when she talked about never giving up in what you believe in. I have to give her that."

 

shes goin to jail

[Nonek]

Trump: A small price to pay for getting rid of so many celebrities.

[Malcador]

Trump: A small price to pay for getting rid of so many celebrities.

You'll still see their media. Not as if their residency affects people all that much, looking at it.

[Hurlshort]

This would mean that white men would even elect Trump in California.

 

I doubt you can explain that with just economy.

Looks like a major cultural backlash.

 

 

No, it just means you have a misconception about California being an overwhelmingly liberal state.  In actuality it is a very diverse state that Ronald Reagan came out of.

[Nonek]

 

Trump: A small price to pay for getting rid of so many celebrities.

You'll still see their media. Not as if their residency affects people all that much, looking at it.

 

Ah nobody will leave, i'm just quoting a meme. Personally I think that in a year or so the most hardened celebrity anti Trump campaigner will be attending White House soirees. They've no bottom or morales whatsoever, they just spout what's fashionable at the moment and remain smug elitists.

[Wrath of Dagon]

This would mean that white men would even elect Trump in California.

I doubt you can explain that with just economy.

Looks like a major cultural backlash.

Why is it surprising that a party which demonizes and marginalizes white men is hated by them in return?

[Elerond]

https://twitter.com/i/moments/796396412325871616

 

Theory why Clinton didn't win.

 

It also make me think that she is speaking about this forum   

[Wrath of Dagon]

 

This would mean that white men would even elect Trump in California.

 

 

 

I doubt you can explain that with just economy.

Looks like a major cultural backlash.

 

No, it just means you have a misconception about California being an overwhelmingly liberal state.  In actuality it is a very diverse state that Ronald Reagan came out of.

 

Came out of 60 years ago.

 

https://twitter.com/i/moments/796396412325871616

 

Theory why Clinton didn't win.

 

It also make me think that she is speaking about this forum   

I think Trump won because of people like her. Edited November 9, 2016 by Wrath of Dagon

[Deadly_Nightshade]

Personally I feel like Trump was the worst candidate this election but what is done is done and the only course left is to work on the next elections and try to prevent him from restricting too many rights.

Edited November 10, 2016 by Deadly_Nightshade

[Chilloutman]

https://twitter.com/i/moments/796396412325871616

 

Theory why Clinton didn't win.

 

It also make me think that she is speaking about this forum   

 

libtard lady

[Nonek]

https://twitter.com/i/moments/796396412325871616

 

Theory why Clinton didn't win.

 

It also make me think that she is speaking about this forum   

It's such pathetic demonisation and conspiracy theory crafting that makes me laugh, when Brexit results were announced and now, the desperate need to blame voters who don't align with their own smug elitist positions is always absolutely hilarious. One wonders how such people deal with the real world where not everyone echoes their inane tweeting.

[Hurlshort]

 

 

This would mean that white men would even elect Trump in California.

 

 

 

I doubt you can explain that with just economy.

Looks like a major cultural backlash.

 

No, it just means you have a misconception about California being an overwhelmingly liberal state.  In actuality it is a very diverse state that Ronald Reagan came out of.

 

Came out of 60 years ago.

 

 

That's some odd math.  Anyways, this is what California actually looks like:

 

[Chilloutman]

 

https://twitter.com/i/moments/796396412325871616

 

Theory why Clinton didn't win.

 

It also make me think that she is speaking about this forum   

It's such pathetic demonisation and conspiracy theory crafting that makes me laugh, when Brexit results were announced and now, the desperate need to blame voters who don't align with their own smug elitist positions is always absolutely hilarious. One wonders how such people deal with the real world where not everyone echoes their inane tweeting.

 

 

 

Well there are few bits of thruth in those tweets, for example that some people now must hide their political views for fear of being persecuted

Edited November 9, 2016 by Chilloutman

[Maedhros]

"They truly believe that it is feminists, globalists, anti-racism activists, liberals who are the "true fascists" in the world."

 

Sums up Breitbart's comments section pretty nicely.

[HoonDing]

Campaign slogans for 2020 should be easy

 

LKAG lets keep america great

 

LMATG lets make america truly great

[Gfted1]

Wait, only 53% of registered voters voted, and they were mostly white dudes? Kooky.

[Hurlshort]

Also, lol at the idea California would leave the US.  You don't just let the biggest agriculture provider in the country walk away.  

Edited November 9, 2016 by Hurlshot

[Meshugger]

My grin is out of orbit:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZiI6kVkPXs