Theresa May, Brexit and the like

[Meshugger]

Yeah, plebeians should know their places when the patricians decide.

[Ben No.3]

Only around 30% of the youngest voters, those most supportive of the EU, voted. If there would have been more, they could have potentially turned the vote.

[Gfted1]

[Nonek]

If another vote takes place i'm sure most MPs will know which side their breads buttered on in terms of their local electorate and more importantly their seat, however it will no doubt emphasise the divides in the Union and lead to a resurgence in UKIP. As of the moment UKIP is self destructing quite merrily, as I predicted it would when deprived of its raison d'etre, but this snubbing of the people may well reignite the protest vote movement.

 

Hardly surprising though the EU is not at all about democracy until it goes their way, we saw this before in numerous places, it emphasises that the whole corrupt edifice should be torn down.

[Gfted1]

Whenever Brexit is overturned, they should just go ahead and remove citizen voting rights too. They cant allow the possibility of the citizens deciding their own futures.

[Raithe]

Only around 30% of the youngest voters, those most supportive of the EU, voted. If there would have been more, they could have potentially turned the vote.

 

There was a voter turnout of around 76% if I recall... One of the highest voter turn outs for anything in years.

[Malcador]

Yep, those UK citizen "dummies" must be shown by their "betters" how they made the wrong choice.

Why didn't they check with the courts to start with ? Kind of silly to not check with that branch of the government.

 

Representative government for you.

[Gfted1]

Why didn't they check with the courts to start with ? Kind of silly to not check with that branch of the government.

 

Representative government for you.

Probably because its unprecedented for the government to randomly declare the results of a national vote to be null and void because they don't like the outcome? Well, at least in most Western governments. Just wait until the next losing prime minister refuses to give up the post because the voting public "got it wrong". Imo, the UK just took a giant turn away from democracy.

[Raithe]

You have to appreciate how the Australians do it. They never  seem to do a fuzzy popular vote. Any referendums they call strictly lay out the legal aspects and are put into law as stated from the get go. The trouble is, neither side on the Brexit vote actually looked at it.

[Wrath of Dagon]

It's been going on in US for decades. Whenever left loses in voting they just run to the courts and get their way anyway.

[Gfted1]

I cant help but wonder how fast this would have gotten laughed out of the courts if the "Stay" vote had won and the "Leave" crew sued.

 

It's been going on in US for decades. Whenever left loses in voting they just run to the courts and get their way anyway.

Examples?

[Chippy]

They've overturned the vote in plenty of other countries as well (as discussed in the other thread), the question now is how badly does England get screwed over before the next general election, how long and badly will that screwing over last into the future, and will there be any party worth voting for by the time of the general election that can set up some trade deals and actually run the country.

 

It's not like they actually did anything important in parliment these past 40 years or so anyway.

[Zoraptor]

 

Probably because its unprecedented for the government to randomly declare the results of a national vote to be null and void because they don't like the outcome?

 

 

Not where the EU is concerned. France and the Netherlands rejected the EU Constitution and they end ran those results. Technically the Constitution was goneburger, practically the Treaty of Lisbon was the same thing, just made in such a way that it could be done as amendments instead of new laws and avoid those pesky referenda (France and Dutchies didn't have plebiscites this time). It then got rejected by Ireland who had to have a referendum by law. Who then held a second referendum to make sure the 'right' result was reached.

 

Only around 30% of the youngest voters, those most supportive of the EU, voted. If there would have been more, they could have potentially turned the vote.

 

They didn't turn out though. I wouldn't have wanted to rely on them for a stay vote anyway, the highly motivated sjw/ yuppy types that benefit most from the EU already voted to stay. The ones who didn't vote were the disaffected with poor prospects and little engagement in politics. They'd be far more likely to vote leave than the 30% who actually voted, if they had to vote.

[Volourn]

So, the Nazis are at it again.   People don't have any rights. Theya r ejust slaves. LMAO

 

Parliament is supposed to represent the people... well, the people have spoken so GET BENT.,

Edited November 3, 2016 by Volourn

[HoonDing]

Maybe they'll be forgiven if they crawl to Rome Brussels on their bare knees.

[Serrano]

On the bright side, if the UK does stay in the EU it means it's not too late for me to backpack and work around Europe. So you know, the important thing is I get what I want out of this whole debacle. 

[Volourn]

Uh.. You could still backpack m even if Brexit becomes official. It is one country and it's an island. LMAO

[Nonek]

Indeed, we've never been a closed island, our cities are truly multinational (especially London) and we will not suddenly be turning away foreigners. Not much will change because of the Brexit, despite the fear mongering.

[Serrano]

I could backpack but I'm not sure I could do a working holiday, though please correct me if I'm wrong as it would be useful information. As far as I can tell working holiday visas in any country almost universally disqualify people once they hit 31 years old. Getting a visa for long-term residence in another country is an option but more difficult and I'm certainly not guaranteed one at the moment with my skills and the field of work I'm in. Backpacking would be fun but what I'd really like to do is live and work in another country or several, so for that reason and the fact that I'm not sure I want to stay in the UK after I leave, staying in the EU and keeping free movement is a lot more convenient for me personally. 

[Meshugger]

They've overturned the vote in plenty of other countries as well (as discussed in the other thread), the question now is how badly does England get screwed over before the next general election, how long and badly will that screwing over last into the future, and will there be any party worth voting for by the time of the general election that can set up some trade deals and actually run the country.

 

It's not like they actually did anything important in parliment these past 40 years or so anyway.

 

The debates in the British parliament should be mandatory broadcasted to everyone for didactic purposes in wit and for rhetorical learning.

 

[213374U]

 

Probably because its unprecedented for the government to randomly declare the results of a national vote to be null and void because they don't like the outcome?

 

Not where the EU is concerned. France and the Netherlands rejected the EU Constitution and they end ran those results. Technically the Constitution was goneburger, practically the Treaty of Lisbon was the same thing, just made in such a way that it could be done as amendments instead of new laws and avoid those pesky referenda (France and Dutchies didn't have plebiscites this time). It then got rejected by Ireland who had to have a referendum by law. Who then held a second referendum to make sure the 'right' result was reached.

 

Greece. And in that case, the government did like the outcome, or at least got the outcome they had been campaigning for, after winning an election with a program predicated precisely on the matter they ran a referendum on.

 

Democracy: "I do not think it means what you think it means".

[Malcador]

 

Why didn't they check with the courts to start with ? Kind of silly to not check with that branch of the government.

 

Representative government for you.

Probably because its unprecedented for the government to randomly declare the results of a national vote to be null and void because they don't like the outcome? Well, at least in most Western governments. Just wait until the next losing prime minister refuses to give up the post because the voting public "got it wrong". Imo, the UK just took a giant turn away from democracy.

Eh? No, if the laws indicate they need Parliament to approve it, that should be a known before embarking on the endeavour. Seems like it was half assed.

[Chippy]

"The debates in the British parliament should be mandatory broadcasted to everyone for didactic purposes in wit and for rhetorical learning."

 

I hear from close sources that they all go to the local pub after to discuss whether the EU was right about the corrupting effect of eating bendy bannanas and how it has effected their potence as politicians in parliment. Once a week on a wednesday.

Edited November 3, 2016 by Chippy

[Gorgon]

I dunno, considering the narrow margin and the hangover phenomenon, simply put that if the referendum had been held again a week after it would likely have been for 'remain'.

[Ben No.3]

 

For all of those who say Brexit will help UK... Instead of burning my fingernails on typing the dozens of scenarios that are likely to happen, I've simply attached the pound compared to the USD since Brexit. Quite telling, don't you think?