cortez77 Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 Hi!!! Game looks great, it's really like Icewind Dale on visual steroids (portraits are still better in ID) but where the hell is bard class? I dont like this chanter class, bard and his songs = that was great combination and fun too. What i love about ID are sub-classes. Are there any sub-classes in PoE?
BAdler Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 Sorry that you don't like the chanter. It is one of my favorite classes. I feel that they are the closest analog to bards in terms of roleplaying. They are also pretty good at supporting the party around them with their chants. There are no sub-classes in Pillars and no plans for any at this time. 7
Valmy Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 There are no subclasses? What about the Priests of the different Gods and the Paladins of the different orders? There seem to be some subclasses.
Luckmann Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) Hi!!! Game looks great, it's really like Icewind Dale on visual steroids (portraits are still better in ID) but where the hell is bard class? I dont like this chanter class, bard and his songs = that was great combination and fun too. What i love about ID are sub-classes. Are there any sub-classes in PoE? The Chanter is the "Bard" class. If you don't mind me asking, why don't you like the Chanter? I can't really think of anything the IE Bard did that isn't fulfilled by the Chanter, except pickpocketing, but there's no pickpocketing in PoE. There are no subclasses? What about the Priests of the different Gods and the Paladins of the different orders? There seem to be some subclasses.Those aren't really subclasses. They don't alter any of the key characteristics of the class(es). It's primarily roleplay with some impact on what Class Talents you can pick. Priests don't even get deity-specific spells and there's no order-specific abilities for Paladins. Edited March 17, 2015 by Luckmann 4
TheisEjsing Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 If what you love about Icewind Dale is sub-classes, portraits and bards, that differs from chanters in PoE, then tough luck buddy. I would recommend you to play it anyways, you might be pleasantly surprised.
Leferd Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 Whereas the IE bard was fairly useless (especially in combat), the PoE chanter is one of the better classes, hands down. 3 "Things are funny...are comedic, because they mix the real with the absurd." - Buzz Aldrin."P-O-T-A-T-O-E" - Dan Quayle
Luckmann Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 Whereas the IE bard was fairly useless (especially in combat), the PoE chanter is one of the better classes, hands down. Yeah, the Chanter has been one of the mainstays when it comes to being good and fun to play, and I never understood why people liked bards - other than roleplaying - in the IE games anyway. They're either terrible or boring. :| 2
cortez77 Posted March 17, 2015 Author Posted March 17, 2015 There are no subclasses? What about the Priests of the different Gods and the Paladins of the different orders? There seem to be some subclasses. that's what i was thinking about. Mages = necros, conjurers....rangers=beastmasters,archers..thieves=assassins,rogues and so on Well from what i saw on youtube, these chants are pretty hard to use during combat. In ID i clicked on song and it lasted whole combat, while now it's really hard to use some of the spells. Are there any passive auras from chants that last long? Don't get me wrong, i really like what i see, at last some hc rpg game
Osvir Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 Bards were and are amazing! (imo) But... Chanters are way better and way more fun *nod* 2
morhilane Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 Chanters are awesome. I love how you can make your own chants by selecting specific phrases with different effects. 3 Azarhal, Chanter and Keeper of Truth of the Obsidian Order of Eternity.
Elerond Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) Chants are passive auras that last whole fight, although mechanic behind them is bit more complex than what bards songs were, as you can create your own chants by making chains of phrases that give different effects for your aura, and each pharse has timer that adds up chanters chant counter, chanter has, addition to chants, invocations which they can cast with power that they gained from their chanting (aka chant counter, different invocations cost different amount from chant counter starting from 3). Invocations work in similar role as bards' per rest spells that they had in IE games (and in D&D at general). Edited March 17, 2015 by Elerond
InsaneCommander Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 Chanters are awesome. I love how you can make your own chants by selecting specific phrases with different effects. Exactly! And you can name your own songs.
PrimeJunta Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) From where I'm at, the Chanter has the (A)D&D bard beat, hands-down. That said, IMO that's not a very high bar to clear. I love the concept but the (A)D&D execution never really felt right to me. The best D&D bard IMO was in NWN2, and that was way different from the standard D&D3 one. Edited March 17, 2015 by PrimeJunta I have a project. It's a tabletop RPG. It's free. It's a work in progress. Find it here: www.brikoleur.com
rheingold Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 From where I'm at, the Chanter has the (A)D&D bard beat, hands-down. That said, IMO that's not a very high bar to clear. I love the concept but the (A)D&D execution never really felt right to me. The best D&D bard IMO was in NWN2, and that was way different from the standard D&D3 one. NWN2 bards, oh my, did they rock... "Those who look upon gods then say, without even knowing their names, 'He is Fire. She is Dance. He is Destruction. She is Love.' So, to reply to your statement, they do not call themselves gods. Everyone else does, though, everyone who beholds them.""So they play that on their fascist banjos, eh?""You choose the wrong adjective.""You've already used up all the others.” Lord of Light
Rhaeg Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 You can probably use IWD protraits in PoE and if you then just pretend the chanter is called 'bard', you 'll almost be there. Anyone knows how we can pretend there are subclasses in this game?
tdphys Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 From where I'm at, the Chanter has the (A)D&D bard beat, hands-down. That said, IMO that's not a very high bar to clear. I love the concept but the (A)D&D execution never really felt right to me. The best D&D bard IMO was in NWN2, and that was way different from the standard D&D3 one. The New 5e bards are actually good, full fledged casters with cool roll-manipulation mechanics and even a melee path. 1
Amentep Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 Hi!!! Game looks great, it's really like Icewind Dale on visual steroids (portraits are still better in ID) but where the hell is bard class? I dont like this chanter class, bard and his songs = that was great combination and fun too. What i love about ID are sub-classes. Are there any sub-classes in PoE? Are you talking about Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition? Because I don't recall there being any subclasses or kits in the original Icewind Dale (as, IIRC, it came out before BG2 which was the first to have kits). I think ID:EE though ports over the kits from BG2 into ID. 1 I cannot - yet I must. How do you calculate that? At what point on the graph do "must" and "cannot" meet? Yet I must - but I cannot! ~ Ro-Man
Tamerlane Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 From where I'm at, the Chanter has the (A)D&D bard beat, hands-down. That said, IMO that's not a very high bar to clear. I love the concept but the (A)D&D execution never really felt right to me. The best D&D bard IMO was in NWN2, and that was way different from the standard D&D3 one. The New 5e bards are actually good, full fledged casters with cool roll-manipulation mechanics and even a melee path. 5e bards are arguably the strongest class in the game. Whether or not they qualify as well-designed is a matter of perspective.. 2
TrueMenace Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) How can you be hating on the Chanter? They get to summon Skeletons, Phantoms, Blights, Trolls, and friggen DRAKES! "Did I just hear you correctly Menace, you said...Drakes"? Yes... Imagine...6 x Chanter Party. 6 Drakes or 12 Trolls. Your move bro. Edited March 17, 2015 by TrueMenace Calibrating...
Sedrefilos Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 I never saw what bardish was about DnD games bards, apart that they got some musical instruments. They were just spellcasters as the rest spellcasters. Chanters look much more like bards with their chants and their music staves... Brilliant. 1
rheingold Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 Chanters in pillars are more like Norse skalds, doesn't get much better than that. Very nice from a role playing point of view, and they are also pretty fun to play in combat. 1 "Those who look upon gods then say, without even knowing their names, 'He is Fire. She is Dance. He is Destruction. She is Love.' So, to reply to your statement, they do not call themselves gods. Everyone else does, though, everyone who beholds them.""So they play that on their fascist banjos, eh?""You choose the wrong adjective.""You've already used up all the others.” Lord of Light
Sock Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 Like everyone has already said, chanters are like bards... mixed with Dovakin. Get the "Waves Crashed" invocation and tell me that isn't Unrelenting Force. They are capable of survivng in an off-tank fashion in melee (which is valuable for building up to invocations), and when at range they have an excellent chant that boosts ranged attack speed significantly. They are the most flexible class no matter how you build them, and their summons are always useful. The phantom, for example, deals cold damage and stuns on hit. There is no weapon with that ability, no character you create will be able to stun on every hit. Unfortunately, since Thrice She Was Wronged was nerfed, their damage dealing capabilities are laughable. At this point, their summons contribute more damage than any of their offensive invocations, and they do have several buffs and debuffs within their invocation pool, but due to limited applicability they will still be best served as a summoner class.
Lunessence Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 How can you be hating on the Chanter? They get to summon Skeletons, Phantoms, Blights, Trolls, and friggen DRAKES! "Did I just hear you correctly Menace, you said...Drakes"? Yes... Imagine...6 x Chanter Party. 6 Drakes or 12 Trolls. Your move bro. Feed the Drakes instead! 1
Amentep Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 How can you be hating on the Chanter? They get to summon Skeletons, Phantoms, Blights, Trolls, and friggen DRAKES! "Did I just hear you correctly Menace, you said...Drakes"? Truly UNCHARTED territory. 1 I cannot - yet I must. How do you calculate that? At what point on the graph do "must" and "cannot" meet? Yet I must - but I cannot! ~ Ro-Man
DarkWanderer Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 How can you be hating on the Chanter? They get to summon Skeletons, Phantoms, Blights, Trolls, and friggen DRAKES! "Did I just hear you correctly Menace, you said...Drakes"? Lets hope for Dragons in PoE 2 1
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