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Update #82: Creatures

Creatures Xaurip Vithrack Blight Backer Beta Updates Documentary

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The thing about the discs is that, if they ship them with the other rewards, they can't put the last stretch of the development on there. It's not just an arbitrary "we don't like physical discs, so we're going with digital" choice.

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Little disappointed with the dvd documentary not being a physical dvd in the box set. Hope there will be different containers for the digital documentary that we can choose from and not just one container.



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Awesome work!  :yes:



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Wut?

 

How does one vivisect a blight? 

 

Very carefully.


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I would rather have a physical DVD than any downloads at all. Not everyone has lightning speed internet and especially anything above the 1GB is torture to me. And I presume a digital documentary will exceed this tortureous limit rather very nicely.

 

I would rather wait an extra month or two, three for the full package incl DVD docu instead of a rushed out game, digital documentary and propable some missing stuff there and there too, just to meet the promised deadline and to satisfy some impatient persons. I also don't mind to receive the DVD at a later stage, but I am not willing to pay for something I did not ordered nor do I want.

 

Those who ordered a physical tier choose so as backer, otherwise they would have chosen some digital tier in the first place.

 

You have been given the opportunity to create this game you were long time dreaming of, by this backing community whom you promised digital and/or physical rewards. This community backed you so by chosing one or more of these rewards. This same community has been given the opportunity to see the reincarnation of a game format we all have been long waiting for to see again and re-live, created by parts of a veteran & talented team who started it all in the first place.

 

So honor your promise to us and yourselves and reconsider the DVD/BluRay documentary again for those who ordered it...

 

Oh please, get off your soapbox and stop being so dramatic.

Just say what you don't like and stop invoking "the community", you don't speak for me.


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Oh please, get off your soapbox and stop being so dramatic.

Just say what you don't like and stop invoking "the community", you don't speak for me.

 

 

True, he's being too dramatic. But I think it's fair for someone who specifically wanted physical rewards to be annoyed when one of the items is changed to digital. I feel Obsidian & Paradox could work this out. Just ship the DVD/Blu-ray later.

 

Yes, there's an extra cost, but I'd say it's worth it for them to stick to what they said they'd deliver.


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Oh please, get off your soapbox and stop being so dramatic.

Just say what you don't like and stop invoking "the community", you don't speak for me.

 

Well for me who has bought Collectors Editions over the last 15+ years, it is disappointing to see a physical reward changed to a digital reward. It would be similar to other companies changing their documentaries at the last minute to a digital download a few months prior to a collectors edition being released. Other companies have released their dvd documentaries with their boxed collectors editions. This sort of thing would have been handled by a publisher. I get the feeling Obsidian are trying to do too many things at the last minute which they normally wouldn't be doing as a developer and trying to get this out for a Christmas release. So something like this falls by the wayside and is released later as a download.

 

In saying that, I don't want to see a rushed documentary to be released with the physical goods. I'd rather see a great documentary released later as a digital download than a rushed documentary released with the game. It's understandable given Obsidian are not a publisher and this is their first Kickstarter.


Edited by Hiro Protagonist II, 09 July 2014 - 03:58 PM.


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Say we sneak past the xaurip horde and kill the dragon without them knowing ... whew, imagine the look on their faces.

 

Your god is dead, you little badswords, now come work for me ... said my dark paladin. 



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Love getting some lore on the creatures of the world.
 
Especially love the Vithrak due to my fondness of Mindflayers.
I personally think that it would have been cool for them to live in a matriarchal society with one or two large, bloated queens that preside over the other Vithrak. This would provide a nice parallel to real-life spiders, where the female is often far larger than the male.
But that was just my imaginings since they were first announced.

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And because I know y'all share my views on awesome spiders are here's a bonus mommy spider with babies:
 
 

Spoiler

 
Your group are nervous. This is the first time the Vithrak have agreed to meet with representatives of the civilized races in many years.
You have entered the court of the Matriach. She presides in her deep hall sitting on a throne spun from bones and silk, and her long flowing robes of midnight blue cover the dais her seat rests upon. Even seated she is taller than the Aumaua standing to your left.
Her many eyes shine like orbs of obsidian as she surveys your party. Their alien gaze impenetrable. You've been led here by four of their most powerful psionics, and the wide floor is host to a dozen of their ruling party. They seem to form a council. Advisers, maybe?
Chittering begins. A high sound that sets the hairs on the back of your neck on end.
The twelve figures seated before the dais seem trepidatious of your arrival. The chittering is not how they communicate, as they have no need for vocalization. It seems to be a way of expressing emotion. This is an unusual event for them.
The Matriarch stands silently and the chittering dies. She looms over everything in the cavernous room.

Is this it? Will she now address your group as ambassadors?
She raises her arms to her chest and she opens her robe to reveal a swarming mass of spiderlings.
 
That sounds like a memorable NPC to me.
 
 
 
 
Onto a different subject I'm a bit disappointed that we haven't had any updates on the Aumaua yet.
I remember there being murmurings about some Aumaua info "soon" in a lore update back in Update 74. Still looking forward to that one.


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Yes, there's an extra cost, but I'd say it's worth it for them to stick to what they said they'd deliver.


Then you have two factions:

A) The "You never said there'd be an extra cost for the physical copy of the documentary! Honor your promise, Obsidian, by doing what you need to such that there's no extra cost!" (basically, "ship it early without the last stretch included, because I'm not paying more money for it!"
B) The "Hey, you said we'd get a physical DVD! I don't care if it costs more money, just ship it later anyway!"

What's the solution, then? Make two versions of the documentary? A short one and a long one, so that people who don't mind can get their short one without paying extra (and get it earlier), and people who DO mind can get their longer one, later, and just pay a bit more for shipping?

What about the leftover folks, who want the long one but don't want it shipped any later and don't want to pay any extra?

See, it's easy to just look at the choice in relation to a single perspective. Not so easy to make the choice when you consider that there's no way to make everyone happy.


Also, thanks for those super-pleasant images, GhoulishVisage. I'm gonna go to my panic room now, and take a shower in bleach. :)

Edited by Lephys, 09 July 2014 - 04:32 PM.

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Oh man, great work! Looks stunning! Now the question is, for me, to indulge in beta, or not to indulge in beta? Going to be a damned itch if not, although the scratching will be even sweeter then when PoE is released... Haven't felt an itch like this since.....



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The backers wouldn't be paying for the extra cost. I took Flow's comment with 'extra cost' with postage to post out later as an extra cost for Obsidian, not the backer. And there wouldn't need to be two different documentaries. Flow mentioned to ship the complete documentary later as a physical dvd/blu-ray. I can't see Obsidian agreeing to the cost of that. If someone wanted to take a cynical view, it looks like more profits to Obsidian with no need to press discs, print dvd covers or buy dvd cases which is something they would have taken into account.


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As long as the replacement reward is a physical trinket I'd be placated. Personally, I want an Obsidian hat. :p

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I love the elemental spirits thing all around, but while the Xaurip design looks fantastic, it gives rise to one little quibble I have with the shaman's casting animation - hopefully something you guys can consider moving forward.

 

In just about every game with magic, it's stick centered.  Why must magic come from a stick?  Needing a common point for an effect to emerge from several different morphologies is one thing, but in so many games, the animation of getting it out of the stick is also the same... there's some magic stuck in the thing, and like a jammed pez dispenser, if they bang it on the ground a few times, it shakes magic loose from the top.  These are shamans, so even if they need to use stick-based magic for computer reasons, it'd be much more interesting to have them cast with a little dance or something.  Just some simple rain-dance sort of motion, arms and legs waving a moment before the effect comes launching from the stick.  The creature design on them looks great, but I'd love to have that particular animation be a better match to all the personality they show.


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Say we sneak past the xaurip horde and kill the dragon without them knowing ... whew, imagine the look on their faces.

 

They'd go like all Brazil on us...

 

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And there wouldn't need to be two different documentaries. Flow mentioned to ship the complete documentary later as a physical dvd/blu-ray.


There would if you wanted to please everyone. That's kind of my entire point. Some people are gonna go "whoa, a delay on the documentary? NOT COOL, man!", just like current people are going "Whoa, there won't be a disc? NOT COOL, man!"

Everyone prioritizes the factors differently, and it's easy to say "Pssh, what I want is more important than what others may want." And there's not really an option for Obsidian that pleases everyone, shy of an "all of the above" option, which would require multiple versions of the documentary.

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Great update - love those Xaurips and the Vitrack and the lore in general

Say we sneak past the xaurip horde and kill the dragon without them knowing ... whew, imagine the look on their faces.

 

Your god is dead, you little badswords, now come work for me ... said my dark paladin. 

They'd just get vengeful ...

You'd have to skin the dragon and have your party wear it ... then practise your booming voice.

 

...poor little dragons :(


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Spoiler

 
 

That is horrifying.  Deeply and truly horrifying.



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You'd have to skin the dragon and have your party wear it ... then practise your booming voice.
 
...poor little dragons :(


Stand on each other's shoulders to try to appear huge and menacing. DEX CHECK! :)

Then a Fortitude/Resolve check when they offer themselves to you as snackrifices? *shrug*


And yes, anameforobsidian... yes it is. o_o

Edited by Lephys, 09 July 2014 - 05:39 PM.

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There would if you wanted to please everyone. That's kind of my entire point. Some people are gonna go "whoa, a delay on the documentary? NOT COOL, man!", just like current people are going "Whoa, there won't be a disc? NOT COOL, man!"

Everyone prioritizes the factors differently, and it's easy to say "Pssh, what I want is more important than what others may want." And there's not really an option for Obsidian that pleases everyone, shy of an "all of the above" option, which would require multiple versions of the documentary.

 

It's very hard to get what your entire point is when you muddy the waters with things like extra cost to the backers when no one said anything of the sort.







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