Walsingham Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 (edited) ...I just thought UI'd drop you a line to set you straight on something. Hope you don't mind. All this putting scary death images on things. Reminding me I'm going to die doesn't make me more responsible, and determined to straighten up and fly right, eat healthily or pay my taxes. In fact it's the exact opposite of what you The Government should want me to see. See you on Thursday for the football. Wals. Edited February 20, 2013 by Walsingham 1 "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFSOCC Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 The Metrics say otherwise. they say it's working. Remember: Argue the point, not the person. Remain polite and constructive. Friendly forums have friendly debate. There's no shame in being wrong. If you don't have something to add, don't post for the sake of it. And don't be afraid to post thoughts you are uncertain about, that's what discussion is for.---Pet threads, everyone has them. I love imagining Gods, Monsters, Factions and Weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonek Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Remember, for each fifteen cigarettes that you smoke, a mutation will occur in the body and mutations can lead to cancer. Or ocassionally becoming an X-Man, but that's really rare. 2 Quite an experience to live in misery isn't it? That's what it is to be married with children.I've seen things you people can't even imagine. Pearly Kings glittering on the Elephant and Castle, Morris Men dancing 'til the last light of midsummer. I watched Druid fires burning in the ruins of Stonehenge, and Yorkshiremen gurning for prizes. All these things will be lost in time, like alopecia on a skinhead. Time for tiffin. Tea for the teapot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 The Metrics say otherwise. they say it's working. The Metrics say it's working, but . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyCrimson Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Health oriented stuff I can see, but death images/reminders of impending death for encouraging paying taxes? Wat? “Things are as they are. Looking out into the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.” – Alan Watts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgon Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 My packet has a picture of a cancer patient in a wheelchair having a smoke. I kinda like the Irony. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share Posted February 21, 2013 The Metrics say otherwise. they say it's working. You may not have heard, but now they want to put images on fizzy drinks, and I guess condoms, and probably ostriches. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 It's for your own good, stop complaining! Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amentep Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Not a fan of it; seems that most people who buy a product would just be encouraged to move it out of its original packaging than quit buying the product. Also I'm not a fan of using the legal system to try to effectively ban legal things. I cannot - yet I must. How do you calculate that? At what point on the graph do "must" and "cannot" meet? Yet I must - but I cannot! ~ Ro-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFSOCC Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 The Metrics say otherwise. they say it's working. You may not have heard, but now they want to put images on fizzy drinks, and I guess condoms, and probably ostriches. Ah yes, it's a slippery slope to total totalitarian nanny-state control., I've heard that one before. Except the evidence for the health hazards of tobacco are by now extremely well researched and documented. You can't ban it, because it's too easy to produce, but you can discourage it. Remember: Argue the point, not the person. Remain polite and constructive. Friendly forums have friendly debate. There's no shame in being wrong. If you don't have something to add, don't post for the sake of it. And don't be afraid to post thoughts you are uncertain about, that's what discussion is for.---Pet threads, everyone has them. I love imagining Gods, Monsters, Factions and Weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 People love to control others and tell them what to do. It is about power. Plain and simple. 1 DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blarghagh Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 If you replace the term cigarrettes with death sticks people would still buy them. Then shopkeepers can pretend to be Obi Wan so I call it a win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 People love to control others and tell them what to do. It is about power. Plain and simple. Volo you just summed up everything that is wrong with the world today. If we all just left each other alone what a wonderful world this would be. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 I did a tour at a Budweiser plant today and they talked about prohibition for awhile. So even though the skull and crossbones might seem silly or downright intrusive, it could be a heck of a lot worse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greylord Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Remember, for each fifteen cigarettes that you smoke, a mutation will occur in the body and mutations can lead to cancer. Or ocassionally becoming an X-Man, but that's really rare. Becoming an X-man is Rare? That's what happened to me! Of course I think the alternative lets you live longer. There's all these anti-mutant types that keep on trying to kill me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFSOCC Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 People love to control others and tell them what to do. It is about power. Plain and simple. Volo you just summed up everything that is wrong with the world today. If we all just left each other alone what a wonderful world this would be. No, this would be true enough, if it weren't for the fact that tobacco (and alcohol) is ADDICTIVE. That means sometimes people need help, and personal responsibility can;t (always) be counted on. Remember: Argue the point, not the person. Remain polite and constructive. Friendly forums have friendly debate. There's no shame in being wrong. If you don't have something to add, don't post for the sake of it. And don't be afraid to post thoughts you are uncertain about, that's what discussion is for.---Pet threads, everyone has them. I love imagining Gods, Monsters, Factions and Weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 The bigger concern is how alcohol and tobacco negatively affect those who come in contact with you. But the warning labels don't really help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFSOCC Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 but peer pressure does. Remember: Argue the point, not the person. Remain polite and constructive. Friendly forums have friendly debate. There's no shame in being wrong. If you don't have something to add, don't post for the sake of it. And don't be afraid to post thoughts you are uncertain about, that's what discussion is for.---Pet threads, everyone has them. I love imagining Gods, Monsters, Factions and Weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 You mean beer pressure? The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 People love to control others and tell them what to do. It is about power. Plain and simple.Two people go into a room. One is a smoker, one is a non-smoker. Which one is the tyrant, the one that want the non-smoker to suffer through passive smoking or the non-smoker because he wants the smoker to stop it? It doesn't matter what you do, you are going to force a decision on one of them. I for one favour the one that doesn't really have a choice. “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bos_hybrid Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Bloody Oz and it's ridiculous taxes on tobacco. $22US for a generic pack of 40's is just gouging. Next it'll be the alcohol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGX-17 Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 (edited) Health oriented stuff I can see, but death images/reminders of impending death for encouraging paying taxes? Wat? He's just spouting hyperbolic reactionary BS. Like all the conservatives who went out and bought extra guns when Obama was re-elected in preparation for the coming war for the abolition of Obama's socialist Kenyan muslim atheist takeover. Keeping in mind that no actual socialist on Earth considers Obama a socialist, or any of his policies socialist. Obama is still filling his administration with Wall Street insiders just as a GOP president would. He's letting Wall Street off scot-free, just like any good GOP candidate would.People love to control others and tell them what to do. It is about power. Plain and simple.Ignoring, of course, the scientific and medical consensus that smoking is terrible for your health and incurs huge cost burdens on the public who have to pay for smokers' healthcare. And the class-action lawsuit filed by most of the US states against the Tobacco industry in which the courts ruled that cigarettes are deadly, designed to be addictive and that the Tobacco companies had to pay recompense to the states for all the healthcare costs incurred as a result of tobacco products designed to be more addictive, and more deadly as a side effect (i.e. the addition of ammonia to quicken the nicotine's crossing of the blood-brain barrier in order to increase the probability of addiction and the frequency of cravings.) Unfortunately, the world is full of other people. Economists refer to this phenomenon as harming others as a result of economic activity as "external costs." Conservative economists like to bury their heads in the sand of right-wing political zeal and say that external costs don't exist. They'll maintain that water is a naturally combustible substance rather than admit that corporate industrial pollution caused the Cuyahoga River Fire. Yes, that river in Ohio that caught fire because of all the industrial pollutants industry was dumping into it. It's events like that that forces government to expand to protect the citizenry, it was Nixon who signed the Environmental Protection Act into law, after all. And it goes to show just how lazy today's Americans are about politics. It was public outcry over the environment that forced Nixon's hand, but there's no similar mass movement against the religion of the free market and all the ills its caused over the past 40-50 years (reminder: Under Eisenhower, taxes on the top 1% were 90%, and that's the golden age the tea partiers and rightists want to return to, it was 70% before Reagan dropped it into the 30s and all these problems started popping up along with Alan Greenspan's Ayn Randian sociopathic policies.) Even if there were, it would have to be massive to overcome the influence of big money on politicians. No private citizen has a right, or a privilege, to infringe upon the health and well-being of others except in self-defense, neither do corporations, even now that the conservative majority on the SCOTUS has ruled that corporations are human beings. Edited February 24, 2013 by AGX-17 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Bloody Oz and it's ridiculous taxes on tobacco. $22US for a generic pack of 40's is just gouging. Next it'll be the alcohol. Damn, it's only about $80 for 10x20s here for Du Maurier. But then again that price is supposed to deter you, or probably just the government explotiing addicts for tax revenue. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Ignoring, of course, the scientific and medical consensus that smoking is terrible for your health and incurs huge cost burdens on the public who have to pay for smokers' healthcare.Right there is what is so insidious about government run healthcare. It makes a public interest in your private activites. I can see why the US Government wants it so bad. It is the ulitmate backstage pass into everything. Ban smoking, can't have that it makes you sick and we have to pay for it. Ban guns, you poor dears might get injured and we have to pay for it, ban red meat we might have to pay for your heart surgery one day. Not a soul in the government, ANY government gives a damn if you live another day. All they want is control over you if you do. You want people to live healthy? Make them pay for their own god damned healthcare. THAT will get their attention. No one should be asked to pay for poor decisions that someone else made. 1 "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Not a soul in the government, ANY government gives a damn if you live another day. All they want is control over you if you do.Hey, that's not true! I also want a pony! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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