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Seriously, if Zuckerberg runs for the Dems and Trump for the Repubs; a third party commie might actually have a chance.

 

Socialist USA 2020!

The closest thing we have to real communists here are the Greens. And they are not all that close. The actual US Communist Party has endorsed the Democrat Presidential Candidate every year since 2000 until last year. They made no endorsement last year.

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Sanders message is not going to play well outside of the bluest of blue states. And even there the appeal is limited to the idealists who don't understand that, absent some radical changes, the US is just not set up to have the kind of economy they want to build. 

IIRC Bernie did well with the rural white. That said, I don't think he should run again.

 

I'd support Gabbard in a heartbeat but you're right, she seems to be reviled in the Clinton wing of the party

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"Former national security adviser Michael Flynn is expected to testify that President Trump instructed him to contact Russian officials during the 2016 campaign"

 

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/362773-flynn-to-testify-trump-directed-him-to-make-contact-with-the

 

From the guy that brought you "Lock her up!", we've now moved on to "Lock them up!". Trump's next line of defense: "Donald Trump was a low level part of the Trump Campaign."

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And this is no speciality of this election. Those regions were communist, and literal communist, strongholds in elections for a long time; now the far right is gaining votes there as well. So why shouldn’t a reverse effect be possible in the US; deeply republican territory falling to the left. The question might not be wether sanders is too radical, but wether he is radical enough.

 

 

Yeah, there's no chance of areas like the deep south switching to vote Bernie or whatever. Unlike commies the average southern voter is religious and won't vote for a godless commie- and even the democrats there preferred Hillary to Bernie by a large margin. France also had 4 candidates not two. That effect did happen in the US last election, it just happened in a near direct parallel to how it happened in France, ie you had traditional left voters in the rust belt voting Trump. The main difference being that many did so after Hillary was dumb enough to tell them they were irrelevant and offer them no hope while still expecting their vote. Stupidest mistake in a campaign replete with them.

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And this is no speciality of this election. Those regions were communist, and literal communist, strongholds in elections for a long time; now the far right is gaining votes there as well. So why shouldn’t a reverse effect be possible in the US; deeply republican territory falling to the left. The question might not be wether sanders is too radical, but wether he is radical enough.

 

 

Yeah, there's no chance of areas like the deep south switching to vote Bernie or whatever. Unlike commies the average southern voter is religious and won't vote for a godless commie- and even the democrats there preferred Hillary to Bernie by a large margin. France also had 4 candidates not two. That effect did happen in the US last election, it just happened in a near direct parallel to how it happened in France, ie you had traditional left voters in the rust belt voting Trump. The main difference being that many did so after Hillary was dumb enough to tell them they were irrelevant and offer them no hope while still expecting their vote. Stupidest mistake in a campaign replete with them.

 

 

Her basically ignoring Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania may have been worse than her deplorable comment. One of the regions where blue collar work could be most responsive to labor opportunities if the dems to put people to work as opposed to stuffing their ivory towers full of more positions.

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All the deplorable comment did was piss off a lot of people who hated her anyway.

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"President Trump instructed him to contact Russian officials"

 

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The deplorables comment pissed off those who already hated her, yes, but it could very well have shifted those who were more on the fence or were waiting for a good reason to hold their nose and vote Clinton.

 

There were so many mistakes and other things going on that it's impossible to pin it down to one or two things, it was a whole cluster of factors.

 

The whole rural/urban divide with the Dems not attracting the rural areas was also a major factor, but Obama won despite that, so, it's really only a portion of the puzzle.

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Her basically ignoring Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania may have been worse than her deplorable comment. One of the regions where blue collar work could be most responsive to labor opportunities if the dems to put people to work as opposed to stuffing their ivory towers full of more positions.

 

 

She went to Ohio and especially Pennsylvania plenty. Less than Trump, but for all his faults Trump was a fantastic and energetic campaigner. Wisconsin (zero visits, heh) and Michigan definitely were ignored or close to though in the end those 2 states alone didn't cost her the election, they just made the loss even more embarrassing.

 

In some ways her campaigning was actually worse than ignoring them wholesale anyway. Firstly her insistence on staying on safe ground meant that she only reached those 'safe' voters who were always going to vote for her and she probably didn't even reach those who voted for Bernie- securing those votes should have been priority one. Secondly and most importantly she told a good part of the traditional democrat voter base to, essentially, curl up and die or get with the program. Her take was probably more realistic than Trump's promises (and to be honest, Bernie's too) but people in general will always take the hope that something bad won't happen over the promise that it will- and they hate being lectured by some multi millionaire lawyer politician about the 'real world'. It was a truly stupid thing (and time) to choose to be honest about.

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Trump did make a good point at one point that he could get large crowds at a rally without resorting to piling on celebrities while Clinton didn't seem to be able to get similar size crowds on her own abilities. So, that may have been an indicator of performance or possibly lack of excitement on the Denocrat side.

 

Whoever the Democrat nominee is, they're not likely to make all of the same mistakes just because it's a different candidate and different team.

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It looks like Kamala Harris is the "chosen one" by the lefties in the Democrat Party. https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2017-12-01/kamala-harris-navigates-the-2020-presidential-landscape

 

Makes sense for them I guess. She is a middle of the road left winger that thinks the government should control or regulate everything that moves. She is of mixed ethnicity which is a plus in that crowd. Anti-second amendment but not entirely anti-business. And she does not have that annoying "think for yourself" independence that they find so irritating in Tusi Gabbard, Jim Webb, and Joe Manchin. 

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I like Harris in general, but I'd rather she at least finish her Senate term here in California, she just got elected last year after all.

 

I don't think she's as extreme as you make her out to be though. Then again, you're Libertarian and anything left of right is extreme.

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I like Harris in general, but I'd rather she at least finish her Senate term here in California, she just got elected last year after all.

 

I don't think she's as extreme as you make her out to be though. Then again, you're Libertarian and anything left of right is extreme.

Libertarians are not right wingers by any means. We have as many problems with R's as we do with D's. 

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Dems probably should nominate 20+ candidates plus one rich celebrity joke candidate and have lots of idiotic debates to hog press time and it is almost guaranteed that their joke candidate will win   :devil: 

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Dems probably should nominate 20+ candidates plus one rich celebrity joke candidate and have lots of idiotic debates to hog press time and it is almost guaranteed that their joke candidate will win   :devil:

That sounds strangely familiar...

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So Flynn is going to flip on Trump now?

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Gl hf USA with that new tax bill that the Senate wasn't allowed to read. Good to know the Republicans care enough about their constituents to know what they put through instead of just voting through whatever bullhonkey out of tribalism. :lol:

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So Flynn is going to flip on Trump now?

 

 

Maybe not Trump, but at least Kushner or perhaps Jr.

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Fast forward to 31:20. :) Also at 1:09:10

 

 

 

The translator is not that good btw.

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Gl hf USA with that new tax bill that the Senate wasn't allowed to read. Good to know the Republicans care enough about their constituents to know what they put through instead of just voting through whatever bullhonkey out of tribalism. :lol:

 

Well, at least we can finally put the whole "Republicans care about the deficit" nonsense to rest...and then the "Republicans care about states' rights" as well when the FCC royally screws up the internet and makes it so states can't do anything about it. Just crappy excuses for obstructionism when it suits them, nothing more.

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Sometimes I wonder if this is all a libertarian ploy to make sure the government gets so horrible that the only thing people can still do is get rid of it entirely.

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I mean, Marco Rubio (a Republican senator) revealed a few days ago that the end-game of increasing the deficit was so that they can cut medicare and social security. A libertarian ploy sounds better than that.

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