alternative facts

[Gromnir]

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/health-july-dec02-jfk_11-18/

 

is not simple that kennedy gave a false impression o' health.  during democratic nomination, lbj hired private investigators to dig into kennedy's health issues.  investigations turned up addison's and other stuff... which were leaked to the public.  kennedy categorical denied.  

 

were just one example o' kennedy alternative facts.

 

HA! Good Fun!

[Wrath of Dagon]

Alternative facts from the media: http://www.dailywire.com/news/13294/fake-news-rap-sheet-last-week-msm-was-caught-john-nolte

Edit: More fake news: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/reporters-trip-all-over-themselves-botching-an-olympians-story-about-being-detained/article/2614645

Edited February 13, 2017 by Wrath of Dagon

[Leferd]

[Gromnir]

am thinking guinness should start keeping alternative facts stats, 'cause trump's presser had to break some kinda record.  will list a few in a bit, but at the moment, am a bit overwhelmed by the magnitude o' it all.  

 

HA! Good Fun!

[Wrath of Dagon]

Don't forget your smelling salts while you're pearl-clutching.

[Gromnir]

keep in mind it is Gromnir who always warns 'bout the actual power o' the President as 'posed to imagined.  pearl-clutching?  hardly.

 

but smelling salts?  admitted, there were a moment or two when...

 

ever been in a car crash, but were unharmed?  small car crash.  for a moment, before, during or after, (or perhaps before, during and after) the event feels unreal. surreal.  clearly you are witnessing the crash, but it just doesn't feel... real. 

 

that couldn't have been a Presidential press conference.  tell a jewish reporter to sit down.  tells a black reporter to arrange a meeting with the Congressional Black Caucus.  and so many alternative facts. it weren't real.  but it was.  pass us the smelling salts.  we would appreciate it.

 

HA! Good Fun! 

[Malcador]

http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.772303

 

[Leferd]

 

 

[Guard Dog]

When Barack Obama was President I had a few bits of advice for every American.

1. If you are in debt, get out. If you are not, stay out.
2. Make sure, if you are able, that you own at least one firearm with a minimum of 200 rounds of ammunition stored.
3. Set aside a store of canned or non-perishable food. At least two weeks worth.
4. Invest at least some of your money in real assets like gold, silver, real estate, etc.
5. Don't believe anything you see in the news or hear from the government.

Now that Trump is President and we have had a look at how things are going my advice is this:

 

1. If you are in debt, get out. If you are not, stay out.
2. Make sure, if you are able, that you own at least one firearm with a minimum of 200 rounds of ammunition stored.
3. Set aside a store of canned or non-perishable food. At least two weeks worth.
4. Invest at least some of your money in real assets like gold, silver, real estate, etc.
5. Don't believe anything you see in the news or hear from the government.

[BruceVC]

 

When Barack Obama was President I had a few bits of advice for every American.

1. If you are in debt, get out. If you are not, stay out.
2. Make sure, if you are able, that you own at least one firearm with a minimum of 200 rounds of ammunition stored.
3. Set aside a store of canned or non-perishable food. At least two weeks worth.
4. Invest at least some of your money in real assets like gold, silver, real estate, etc.
5. Don't believe anything you see in the news or hear from the government.

Now that Trump is President and we have had a look at how things are going my advice is this:

 

1. If you are in debt, get out. If you are not, stay out.
2. Make sure, if you are able, that you own at least one firearm with a minimum of 200 rounds of ammunition stored.
3. Set aside a store of canned or non-perishable food. At least two weeks worth.
4. Invest at least some of your money in real assets like gold, silver, real estate, etc.
5. Don't believe anything you see in the news or hear from the government.

 

GD I appreciate this is a form of a coping mechanism but you cant reasonably compare Trump and Obama ....you need to separate there presidencies and have honest and separate views on them   

[Guard Dog]

 

 

When Barack Obama was President I had a few bits of advice for every American.

1. If you are in debt, get out. If you are not, stay out.
2. Make sure, if you are able, that you own at least one firearm with a minimum of 200 rounds of ammunition stored.
3. Set aside a store of canned or non-perishable food. At least two weeks worth.
4. Invest at least some of your money in real assets like gold, silver, real estate, etc.
5. Don't believe anything you see in the news or hear from the government.

Now that Trump is President and we have had a look at how things are going my advice is this:

 

1. If you are in debt, get out. If you are not, stay out.
2. Make sure, if you are able, that you own at least one firearm with a minimum of 200 rounds of ammunition stored.
3. Set aside a store of canned or non-perishable food. At least two weeks worth.
4. Invest at least some of your money in real assets like gold, silver, real estate, etc.
5. Don't believe anything you see in the news or hear from the government.

 

GD I appreciate this is a form of a coping mechanism but you cant reasonably compare Trump and Obama ....you need to separate there presidencies and have honest and separate views on them   

 

Bruce you can have different varieties of bad. Obama knew what he was doing and it involved seizing power away from Congress and State Governments as well as curtailing individual liberty of citizens. That is bad. Trump does not seem to know what the heck he's doing. He's jumping from one thing to the next and in much of it he's acting on power the Presidency does not have. That's bad. So yes, it is totally comparable because it is all rooted in the same thing: extra-constitutional power.

 

Would you rather be stung by a hornet or bitten by a venomous spider? Not really the same thing but neither is desirable. Get the idea?

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

When Barack Obama was President I had a few bits of advice for every American.

1. If you are in debt, get out. If you are not, stay out.
2. Make sure, if you are able, that you own at least one firearm with a minimum of 200 rounds of ammunition stored.
3. Set aside a store of canned or non-perishable food. At least two weeks worth.
4. Invest at least some of your money in real assets like gold, silver, real estate, etc.
5. Don't believe anything you see in the news or hear from the government.

Now that Trump is President and we have had a look at how things are going my advice is this:

 

1. If you are in debt, get out. If you are not, stay out.
2. Make sure, if you are able, that you own at least one firearm with a minimum of 200 rounds of ammunition stored.
3. Set aside a store of canned or non-perishable food. At least two weeks worth.
4. Invest at least some of your money in real assets like gold, silver, real estate, etc.
5. Don't believe anything you see in the news or hear from the government.

 

GD I appreciate this is a form of a coping mechanism but you cant reasonably compare Trump and Obama ....you need to separate there presidencies and have honest and separate views on them   

 

Bruce you can have different varieties of bad. Obama knew what he was doing and it involved seizing power away from Congress and State Governments as well as curtailing individual liberty of citizens. That is bad. Trump does not seem to know what the heck he's doing. He's jumping from one thing to the next and in much of it he's acting on power the Presidency does not have. That's bad. So yes, it is totally comparable because it is all rooted in the same thing: extra-constitutional power.

 

Would you rather be stung by a hornet or bitten by a venomous spider? Not really the same thing but neither is desirable. Get the idea?

 

I do see your point but you can ask anyone on this forum from outside the USA who follows US politics and updates. I can guarantee you they will say Trump is seen as much more controversial

 

But as I have mentioned his foreign policy decisions have been mostly prudent and  reasonable 

[Guard Dog]

 

 

 

 

When Barack Obama was President I had a few bits of advice for every American.

1. If you are in debt, get out. If you are not, stay out.
2. Make sure, if you are able, that you own at least one firearm with a minimum of 200 rounds of ammunition stored.
3. Set aside a store of canned or non-perishable food. At least two weeks worth.
4. Invest at least some of your money in real assets like gold, silver, real estate, etc.
5. Don't believe anything you see in the news or hear from the government.

Now that Trump is President and we have had a look at how things are going my advice is this:

 

1. If you are in debt, get out. If you are not, stay out.
2. Make sure, if you are able, that you own at least one firearm with a minimum of 200 rounds of ammunition stored.
3. Set aside a store of canned or non-perishable food. At least two weeks worth.
4. Invest at least some of your money in real assets like gold, silver, real estate, etc.
5. Don't believe anything you see in the news or hear from the government.

 

GD I appreciate this is a form of a coping mechanism but you cant reasonably compare Trump and Obama ....you need to separate there presidencies and have honest and separate views on them   

 

Bruce you can have different varieties of bad. Obama knew what he was doing and it involved seizing power away from Congress and State Governments as well as curtailing individual liberty of citizens. That is bad. Trump does not seem to know what the heck he's doing. He's jumping from one thing to the next and in much of it he's acting on power the Presidency does not have. That's bad. So yes, it is totally comparable because it is all rooted in the same thing: extra-constitutional power.

 

Would you rather be stung by a hornet or bitten by a venomous spider? Not really the same thing but neither is desirable. Get the idea?

 

I do see your point but you can ask anyone on this forum from outside the USA who follows US politics and updates. I can guarantee you they will say Trump is seen as much more controversial

 

But as I have mentioned his foreign policy decisions have been mostly prudent and  reasonable 

 

He's controversial because the media is finally doing it's job and challenging him. Through the majority of Obama's two terms he received mostly fawning praise or had the worst implications of his actions utterly ignored by the majority of the media.  It's not for nothing most Americans believe the "media" is not the watchdog of the political process but rather an active participant in it that advances their own ends.

[Hurlshort]

I'd probably go with the hornet.

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

 

 

When Barack Obama was President I had a few bits of advice for every American.

1. If you are in debt, get out. If you are not, stay out.
2. Make sure, if you are able, that you own at least one firearm with a minimum of 200 rounds of ammunition stored.
3. Set aside a store of canned or non-perishable food. At least two weeks worth.
4. Invest at least some of your money in real assets like gold, silver, real estate, etc.
5. Don't believe anything you see in the news or hear from the government.

Now that Trump is President and we have had a look at how things are going my advice is this:

 

1. If you are in debt, get out. If you are not, stay out.
2. Make sure, if you are able, that you own at least one firearm with a minimum of 200 rounds of ammunition stored.
3. Set aside a store of canned or non-perishable food. At least two weeks worth.
4. Invest at least some of your money in real assets like gold, silver, real estate, etc.
5. Don't believe anything you see in the news or hear from the government.

 

GD I appreciate this is a form of a coping mechanism but you cant reasonably compare Trump and Obama ....you need to separate there presidencies and have honest and separate views on them   

 

Bruce you can have different varieties of bad. Obama knew what he was doing and it involved seizing power away from Congress and State Governments as well as curtailing individual liberty of citizens. That is bad. Trump does not seem to know what the heck he's doing. He's jumping from one thing to the next and in much of it he's acting on power the Presidency does not have. That's bad. So yes, it is totally comparable because it is all rooted in the same thing: extra-constitutional power.

 

Would you rather be stung by a hornet or bitten by a venomous spider? Not really the same thing but neither is desirable. Get the idea?

 

I do see your point but you can ask anyone on this forum from outside the USA who follows US politics and updates. I can guarantee you they will say Trump is seen as much more controversial

 

But as I have mentioned his foreign policy decisions have been mostly prudent and  reasonable 

 

 rather an active participant in it that advances their own ends.

 

GD I cant stress enough how important it is when people like you who encounter this  type of sentiment immediately address it and challenge it

 

Yes after Trump faith in the media should return  but at the moment the media is constantly attacked and criticized by Trump or his campaign team. Remember this is about free speech and I think we both value this 

[Guard Dog]

 

 

 

 

 

 

When Barack Obama was President I had a few bits of advice for every American.

1. If you are in debt, get out. If you are not, stay out.
2. Make sure, if you are able, that you own at least one firearm with a minimum of 200 rounds of ammunition stored.
3. Set aside a store of canned or non-perishable food. At least two weeks worth.
4. Invest at least some of your money in real assets like gold, silver, real estate, etc.
5. Don't believe anything you see in the news or hear from the government.

Now that Trump is President and we have had a look at how things are going my advice is this:

 

1. If you are in debt, get out. If you are not, stay out.
2. Make sure, if you are able, that you own at least one firearm with a minimum of 200 rounds of ammunition stored.
3. Set aside a store of canned or non-perishable food. At least two weeks worth.
4. Invest at least some of your money in real assets like gold, silver, real estate, etc.
5. Don't believe anything you see in the news or hear from the government.

 

GD I appreciate this is a form of a coping mechanism but you cant reasonably compare Trump and Obama ....you need to separate there presidencies and have honest and separate views on them   

 

Bruce you can have different varieties of bad. Obama knew what he was doing and it involved seizing power away from Congress and State Governments as well as curtailing individual liberty of citizens. That is bad. Trump does not seem to know what the heck he's doing. He's jumping from one thing to the next and in much of it he's acting on power the Presidency does not have. That's bad. So yes, it is totally comparable because it is all rooted in the same thing: extra-constitutional power.

 

Would you rather be stung by a hornet or bitten by a venomous spider? Not really the same thing but neither is desirable. Get the idea?

 

I do see your point but you can ask anyone on this forum from outside the USA who follows US politics and updates. I can guarantee you they will say Trump is seen as much more controversial

 

But as I have mentioned his foreign policy decisions have been mostly prudent and  reasonable 

 

 rather an active participant in it that advances their own ends.

 

GD I cant stress enough how important it is when people like you who encounter this  type of sentiment immediately address it and challenge it

 

Yes after Trump faith in the media should return  but at the moment the media is constantly attacked and criticized by Trump or his campaign team. Remember this is about free speech and I think we both value this 

 

Faith in the media will not return. Here is why. Suppose in 2020 Trump is replaced by a rabid, freedom hating left-winger like Elizabeth Warren. The "media" will do an immediate 180 and President Warren will be the benefactor of their fawning praise and forbearance against reporting anything negative even when they should. 

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When Barack Obama was President I had a few bits of advice for every American.

1. If you are in debt, get out. If you are not, stay out.
2. Make sure, if you are able, that you own at least one firearm with a minimum of 200 rounds of ammunition stored.
3. Set aside a store of canned or non-perishable food. At least two weeks worth.
4. Invest at least some of your money in real assets like gold, silver, real estate, etc.
5. Don't believe anything you see in the news or hear from the government.

Now that Trump is President and we have had a look at how things are going my advice is this:

 

1. If you are in debt, get out. If you are not, stay out.
2. Make sure, if you are able, that you own at least one firearm with a minimum of 200 rounds of ammunition stored.
3. Set aside a store of canned or non-perishable food. At least two weeks worth.
4. Invest at least some of your money in real assets like gold, silver, real estate, etc.
5. Don't believe anything you see in the news or hear from the government.

 

GD I appreciate this is a form of a coping mechanism but you cant reasonably compare Trump and Obama ....you need to separate there presidencies and have honest and separate views on them   

 

Bruce you can have different varieties of bad. Obama knew what he was doing and it involved seizing power away from Congress and State Governments as well as curtailing individual liberty of citizens. That is bad. Trump does not seem to know what the heck he's doing. He's jumping from one thing to the next and in much of it he's acting on power the Presidency does not have. That's bad. So yes, it is totally comparable because it is all rooted in the same thing: extra-constitutional power.

 

Would you rather be stung by a hornet or bitten by a venomous spider? Not really the same thing but neither is desirable. Get the idea?

 

I do see your point but you can ask anyone on this forum from outside the USA who follows US politics and updates. I can guarantee you they will say Trump is seen as much more controversial

 

But as I have mentioned his foreign policy decisions have been mostly prudent and  reasonable 

 

 rather an active participant in it that advances their own ends.

 

GD I cant stress enough how important it is when people like you who encounter this  type of sentiment immediately address it and challenge it

 

Yes after Trump faith in the media should return  but at the moment the media is constantly attacked and criticized by Trump or his campaign team. Remember this is about free speech and I think we both value this 

 

Faith in the media will not return. Here is why. Suppose in 2020 Trump is replaced by a rabid, freedom hating left-winger like Elizabeth Warren. The "media" will do an immediate 180 and President Warren will be the benefactor of their fawning praise and forbearance against reporting anything negative even when they should. 

 

I will be honest I have never really understood some of the criticism towards the Democrats or people like Warren but after the Clinton presidential loss I now take these comments very seriously  and do use them in the my overall paradigm of US political predictions

 

 

The old BruceVC  would have ignored them.....hence one of the reasons for people like me getting the 2016 election result wrong   

[Wrath of Dagon]

https://twitter.com/CuffyMeh/status/832243621646761984

[Tigranes]

If only we could trust the President, or the highly qualified folks in his cabinet, or the experienced Republican politicians around him, to have a shred of competence, we wouldn't need an obviously broken media system to try to call it out when the moron in office calls the sky red and the sea green.

[Gfted1]

 

Thank the gods we have these companies to "set the record straight" with unbiased and fair reporting.

[HoonDing]

Betanyahu.

[Gorgon]

He had the same 'is this really happening' look as Shinzo Abe while they were doing the photo op. 

[Gfted1]

Prolly still hungover from the wedding afterparty.

[Gromnir]

 

Thank the gods we have these companies to "set the record straight" with unbiased and fair reporting.

were that ever a thing?  were it ever a goal?  the notion o' an unbiased journalist stretches credulity.  to complain that journalists is biased is therefore kinda kookie.

 

journalists should be factual accurate. no alternative facts.  no fake news nonsense.  no purposeful misleading comparisons such as contrast murder rates in chicago to middle east.  when news media fails to be factual accurate, they should be called to account, and with literal dozens o' reputable media sources covering the same events, it rare takes long to see who ain't being true with facts.

 

bias?  

 

*snort*

 

we expect bias.  hell, we even like bias to a degree.  we want passionate reporters to have an emotional stake in the events they is covering. is gonna be multiple ways to look at events and we don't mind if a journalist tries to promote one such perspective over others... just so long as they present facts accurate and truthful.

 

the alt right and hard left "news" sites don't care 'bout facts.  such propaganda mills has fully embraced alternative facts as something legit and real.  fine. doesn't bother us when side-show barkers pretend to be journalists. such stuff can be kinda amusing. the increasing popularity o' fake news is only problematic when seemingly sensible, sane and savvy citizens honest can't distinguish the alternative facts from actual facts.

 

...

 

how is it possible for so many to confuses the credible news sources with the conmen?  the hucksters and snake oil salesmen convinced folks o' the fungible nature o' ubiquitous journalistic bias and alternative facts? is that where it all went wrong? 

 

HA! Good Fun! 

Edited February 18, 2017 by Gromnir

[Zoraptor]

It's easy for so many to confuse 'credible' news sources with conmen largely (but not only) because you have passionate, biased reporters. Reporters too are people, and they suffer the exact same series/ ranges of fallacies from scenario fulfilment to cognitive dissonance that lead the average Joe to believe fake news, they just get to put theirs down into print and be taken with some intrinsic, but declining, authority. Passion and bias should stay exactly where it belongs, in opinion columns or reddit/ forums/ usenet/ facebook etc- and out of the news. Too much opinion in news doesn't result in better information, it results in precisely what we have now, declining confidence in the entire idea of actual news, one side ignores the other sides' news because it's 'biased', and vice versa.

 

Passionate, biased reporters are easy to discredit because they almost always fall into a range from selectively reporting to constructively dishonestly reporting because their passion and bias- and being human- means that they believe what fits their world view and ignore what doesn't. You then only have to point out what they have ignored, or their selectiveness, or their lies/ mistakes and you've discredited them with a proportion of their user base. Since most people reading a news source agree with its editorial bias- pretty obvious- that proportion which becomes disillusioned ends up not trusting either their own sides press or the opposition's. So, they look for alternative sources of information, usually still on their own 'side' but do it enough and hey presto, you've discredited the whole idea of news. Ironically, that's the (supposed) aim of entities like RT, which they couldn't do it without the help of those passionate, biased reporters feeding them juicy examples to deconstruct.

 

Passionate, biased reporters give bad analysis and colour their stories because they report on what they want to be true, not what is, and are the cancer that is killing real news far more than fake news- which is, after all, fake; and people get disillusioned with mainstream media for a reason, not just because they're stoopid.