The US Election, Part X

[Guard Dog]

A two party system is actually really, really limited and leads to stagnation and marginalization of ideologies that are not centrist. I certainly think that a guy like Guard Dog would be better served by a Libertarian party with a minority place in the House than as a majority in a two party system.

I think we'd be best served by four healthy and roughly equal political parties vying for the tiller.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Things will get worse and it will be fantastic if we have a global crash that devestates the working class in the west while the bourgeoisieelite come out enriched.

[Elerond]

"Exit polls" are just what people say when they leave the voting booth. Didnt exit polls also predict a Clinton victory? Why is any consideration given to exit poll results?

 

They are only thing that can give any information how different demographics voted, as votes themselves can't be traced back to people who casted them. 

[Wrath of Dagon]

 

‏@redsteeze Stephen Miller Retweeted andrew kaczynski

And just like magic, journalism returns Stephen Miller added,

andrew kaczynski @KFILE

Good aggressive investigative journalism – not puff pieces based off access to Trump or interviews with him – is more important than ever.

[Gfted1]

 

"Exit polls" are just what people say when they leave the voting booth. Didnt exit polls also predict a Clinton victory? Why is any consideration given to exit poll results?

 

They are only thing that can give any information how different demographics voted, as votes themselves can't be traced back to people who casted them. 

 

 

Exactly, which is why I'm questioning your (or someone else's?) statements and percentages above. 

[Wrath of Dagon]

 

A woman did make history this election.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Is this a picture for ants?

[Wrath of Dagon]

Click on it, I don't have any outside account to post the picture.

 

Good analysis here: http://thefederalist.com/2016/11/09/5-ways-donald-trumps-victory-is-barack-obamas-legacy/

 

Edit: Ann Coulter called it in March: http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2016-03-30.html

Edited November 10, 2016 by Wrath of Dagon

[Namutree]

I'm going to make a guess here and say that there are a good number of people that made a lot of noise on Twitter and Facebook and Tumbler and Snapchat and whatever social platforms they keep coming out with, but when it came time to physically do something, like, you know, vote, they couldn't be bothered. And that's how you wind up with President Trump.

As I predicted. You can't virtue signal in a voting booth.

[WDeranged]

[Namutree]

Probably the most shocking revelation of this election:

 

https://twitter.com/cdenizok/status/796432176761995269/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

 

How could she? I don't even....

I can't even...

[HoonDing]

I can see Trump dying in two years and Mike "Shock Therapy" Pence being in charge tbh.

[Drowsy Emperor]

 

https://www.theguardian.com/international

 

What's wrong with the Guardian, is there no one to tell them the election is over and that they can stop doomsaying.

Being a Marxist rag is a terminal condition.

 

 

 

Don't flatter them, Marxists, Communists etc. were serious people on a respectable historical mission.

 

The Guardian is thrice removed salon center-left "socialism".

[Fighter]

Well done snowflake!

 

Clickable:

 

[Zoraptor]

Guardian is near pure soft and floppy chardonnay 'leftist' pandering rather than actual leftist pandering, it has nothing at all to do with marxism or even actual socialism. Best example is that they stuck the knife into the actual socialist Corbyn on behalf of the Tory-lite Bliarite 3rd way wing of the Labour Party

 

 

We'll see how much of that he'll really do

 

...and how much our corporate overlords really let him do. I'm not quite up to date but couldn't dropping out of TPP and NAFTA results in partners and/or corporations filing charges through the investment court system (ICS)?

 

 

Don't know about NAFTA, but the ICS for TPP only comes into force once it has been signed and ratified, which it hasn't yet. So nobody will be able to sue for TPP provisions, at least.

 

US not ratifying kills it instantly for everyone else too. That's one thing where I am unreservedly in the Trump camp, assuming he sticks to it of course.

 

"Exit polls" are just what people say when they leave the voting booth. Didnt exit polls also predict a Clinton victory? Why is any consideration given to exit poll results?

 

Because they are the only way to measure how people actually voted. There's no doubt they stuff them up on occasion, as they stuff up general polling as well. Statistically speaking usually 5% of polls are 'rogue' (real situation outside stated margin of error), and that's with otherwise perfect methodology. Exit polls are generally accurate as they have one big advantage over phone polling- you know the polled person has definitely voted. Problems are that people lie or refuse to answer if they are embarrassed by their choice, you can get over representation of views if your choice of polling stations are off etc, same as for phone polling. In this case it was almost certainly people being 'embarrassed' to have voted for Trump. Ideally you take that sort of thing into account, but it's difficult to do in a short poll and there's a lot of subjectivity involved that can get you into trouble. It's still the best way of getting the data though, there isn't really an alternative, but it certainly is flawed.

 

(In a longer poll you may notice that some questions seem to get asked multiple times with different phrasings over the course of an interview. That's the way to tell- as well as you can- whether someone is likely to be lying about their positions. Trouble is that most people don't have time to or don't want to do a 10 minute interview and a fair number of those who do have outlier motivations- eg the stereotypical non voting virtue signaller would probably do a phone interview fine, as it would make them feel important, and good about themselves. So you have to try and balance length vs accuracy, plus weightings, geographical locations etc.)

[Volourn]

"Why would you want that, are you supporting Trump"

 

I'm following Hillary and Obama's advice. Have you turned your back on Hillary already and ignoring her? You must be pro Trump because like him you don't support losers. L0L

 

 

 

"volo I will be extremely disappointed in you if you now become a Trump supporter....that kind of hypocrisy makes me nauseous  :x"

 

L0L Not Trump supporter. But, if anyone kills themselves over their choice not winning  I don't have sympathy for them. The same goes for any Republicans who killed themselves when Obama won. NO MERCY.

[HoonDing]

[Drowsy Emperor]

Guess he saw that episode of the Simpsons too.

 

The rest is (now) history.

Edited November 10, 2016 by Drowsy Emperor

[Fighter]

https://twitter.com/hunterswogg/status/796417313725616128

[Gorgon]

 

A two party system is actually really, really limited and leads to stagnation and marginalization of ideologies that are not centrist. I certainly think that a guy like Guard Dog would be better served by a Libertarian party with a minority place in the House than as a majority in a two party system.

I think we'd be best served by four healthy and roughly equal political parties vying for the tiller.

 

The advantages are numerous. Mostly it's simply that without a majority for a specific bit of proposed legislation the method is a round of cross party talks. The parties can then leverage their votes for influence. Cross party cooperation is automatic and individual parties get to claim their contribution as a win for their base. It tends to promote centrism and dissuade wing nuts. It also makes stunts like holding the budget for ransom less likely.

 

If you can have influence even though you are not part of a majority voting block that also means that your base will not accept you to simply sabotage everything. 

[Pidesco]

One of advantage of electing Trump is that we won't need to choose a title for Bill Clinton. First Laddie, First Man, First Sir, First Dude? The possibilities are endless.

 

 

Fortunately Trump already has the perfect official title:

[Gorgon]

winner

[HoonDing]

At least Pepe Le Pew has very little chance of getting elected seeing how Frenchie president elections work.

[Volourn]

It's weird. That the racist got more minorities to vote for him % wise than the last republican nominee. HAHA.

 

But, that's according to the outtake polls and as we all know now the polls are crap. I bet 99% of blacks and latinos voted voted for Trump and majority of whities didn't vote for him because of self hatred. Blacks and latinos are heavily leaning to the right on most social issues. Of course, trump is not even a true Conservative.

[Wrath of Dagon]

Well, Romney got to be hitler last time.