Woldan Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 I don't know about "beneficial effects" but in an open society the state has no business telling you what you can and cannot do to yourself. Depends on the country, in my opinion those societies who pay for a working health care system should have a little say in that matter, our health care system is overburdened with taking care of people with self-inflicted ailments. A delicate matter, but something has to change. 1 I gazed at the dead, and for one dark moment I saw a banquet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantousent Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Today, I started looking for a new pack/water solution for my hikes. So I have a funny request for you guys. March is when things start heating up around where I live. If there are any of you folks who have an idea about a good hiking pack with a bladder/water pouch built it, I'd appreciate it. I don't want to boggart this thread for it. A few responses are okay, but a PM or maybe input in the fitness thread would work also. I usually solicit advice broadly for this sort of stuff and then sort it out later. Other than starting a serious search for summer hiking gear, including buying a new booney hat (officially the name of it), I spent the day hanging around the house slowly smoking a corned beef brisket. Now, I'm enjoying a microbrew wheat and later I'll pretend to slowly enjoy some tawny port which I will in reality be slamming. Fionavar's Holliday Wishes to all members of our online community: Happy Holidays Join the revelry at the Obsidian Plays channel:Obsidian Plays Remembering tarna, Phosphor, Metadigital, and Visceris. Drink mead heartily in the halls of Valhalla, my friends! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 I remember dropping some acid too in college. Wonder whether that hole in the floor ever got fixed. 2 The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) I don't know about "beneficial effects" but in an open society the state has no business telling you what you can and cannot do to yourself. Depends on the country, in my opinion those societies who pay for a working health care system should have a little say in that matter, our health care system is overburdened with taking care of people with self-inflicted ailments. A delicate matter, but something has to change. I used to think that way, but then I found out that the say in the matter governments have isn't exercised rationally or consistently. For instance, studies show that if you lift hard, odds (82% !) are that you'll injure yourself, the most likely injuries occurring in the back or shoulders, which may require expensive surgery and/or rehab to fix. Then you have low back pain which is, according to the WHO, the leading cause of work absence; the direct and indirect costs of LBP are measured in hundreds of billions in the US alone. We know that an adequate fitness level, proper weight and good posture often help with that... but governments don't do jack about it because LBP isn't a blip on people's radars. And let's not even touch sugary drinks, candy bars etc. You get the picture. Imagine if the EC tomorrow decided to draft a law to ban sitting for more than 30 minutes straight at work, establish fines for obese people, and declared powerlifting and strongman illegal across the EU. Lol much? But it gets better. It turns out that keeping people in jail is expensive as hell (to the tune of €1,950/mo and inmate in my country), while at the same time, we know that prohibition doesn't really end consumption... it simply makes it part of the untaxable submerged economy which is the lifeblood of unofficial crime syndicates. The sensible and morally legitimate way to go about it is the same as with alcohol and tobacco: tax the hell out of them on account of the burden they are to public healthcare, regulate their distribution, and do away with the social stigma so the causes and effects of abuse can be discussed and treated in a mature way. OT: and now I'm off to increase my likelihood of suffering a shoulder or back injury Edited March 16, 2015 by 213374U 2 - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 I don't know about "beneficial effects" but in an open society the state has no business telling you what you can and cannot do to yourself. Depends on the country, in my opinion those societies who pay for a working health care system should have a little say in that matter, our health care system is overburdened with taking care of people with self-inflicted ailments. A delicate matter, but something has to change. I used to think that way, but then I found out that the say in the matter governments have isn't exercised rationally or consistently. For instance, studies show that if you lift hard, odds (82% !) are that you'll injure yourself, the most likely injuries occurring in the back or shoulders, which may require expensive surgery and/or rehab to fix. Then you have low back pain which is, according to the WHO, the leading cause of work absence; the direct and indirect costs of LBP are measured in hundreds of billions in the US alone. We know that an adequate fitness level, proper weight and good posture often help with that... but governments don't do jack about it because LBP isn't a blip on people's radars. And let's not even touch sugary drinks, candy bars etc. You get the picture. Imagine if the EC tomorrow decided to draft a law to ban sitting for more than 30 minutes straight at work, establish fines for obese people, and declared powerlifting and strongman illegal across the EU. Lol much? But it gets better. It turns out that keeping people in jail is expensive as hell (to the tune of €1,950/mo and inmate in my country), while at the same time, we know that prohibition doesn't really end consumption... it simply makes it part of the untaxable submerged economy which is the lifeblood of unofficial crime syndicates. The sensible and morally legitimate way to go about it is the same as with alcohol and tobacco: tax the hell out of them on account of the burden they are to public healthcare, regulate their distribution, and do away with the social stigma so the causes and effects of abuse can be discussed and treated in a mature way. OT: and now I'm off to increase my likelihood of suffering a shoulder or back injury That's a very convincing post, nice one "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woldan Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) I oppose banning things because its a cheap way out that almost always leads to an increase of criminality and lots of new sub-problems. See gun and drug bans. Like you mentioned some countries - mine included- have been thinking about taxing problematic goods which are known to cause health issues if consumed regularly, which means certain hard alcoholic beverages, cigarettes etc. That money would then be used to boost the health care system budget and the increased price would reduce interest in those goods. Also there is another idea - optional regular health checks. If positive it does decreases your tax rate. I used to think that way, but then I found out that the say in the matter governments have isn't exercised rationally or consistently. For instance, studies show that if you lift hard, odds (82% !)Lets not forget here that almost all if not all professional competitive top level athletes, be it strongman, cycling etc. are in a whole 'nother world compared to hobby athletes that do not compete in the top level area. Professional athletes live in world full of blood doping and steroids far away from what is healthy or practical. Competitive strongmen lift in excess of 450kg (dead lift), you don't need to have access to studies to realize that loading your spine with that much weight plus increasing your muscle mass far beyond whats natural will inevitably lead to problems somewhere down the road. I'd like to see those studies made with clean, reasonable hobby athletes. Edited March 16, 2015 by Woldan I gazed at the dead, and for one dark moment I saw a banquet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woldan Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Talked with the breeder, one part of that freshly generated twitching furry mass there is mine! I can get her in ten weeks when she no longer dependent on her mother. All but two of the puppies are male. 2 I gazed at the dead, and for one dark moment I saw a banquet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Are those Dobermans? "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woldan Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Yes, and a very healthy breed too. I gazed at the dead, and for one dark moment I saw a banquet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Are you planning on clipping the ears and tail? And just FYI, a female is much more expensive to neuter than a male. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amentep Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) If its not a working dog, why would you dock and crop? EDIT: Or I guess, a show dog. Edited March 16, 2015 by Amentep I cannot - yet I must. How do you calculate that? At what point on the graph do "must" and "cannot" meet? Yet I must - but I cannot! ~ Ro-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woldan Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) No, cropping is against the law, even owning a dog with cropped ears will get you into big troubles around here. While I have to admit that they do look better with cropped ears I would never consider cutting an animals ears just because I think its looks good. And even worse is cutting the tail, its a dogs communication device and I have no right to cut it off. Edited March 16, 2015 by Woldan 1 I gazed at the dead, and for one dark moment I saw a banquet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 If its not a working dog, why would you dock and crop? EDIT: Or I guess, a show dog. I myself wouldn't but I thought it was a common practice for that breed. Im not sure Ive seen one irl that wasnt clipped but maybe Im just remembering the past. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woldan Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) I remember when I was a kid I only saw cropped ones too, it was still legal back then. Here you go, uncropped ears: Edited March 16, 2015 by Woldan 1 I gazed at the dead, and for one dark moment I saw a banquet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amentep Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) If its not a working dog, why would you dock and crop? EDIT: Or I guess, a show dog. I myself wouldn't but I thought it was a common practice for that breed. Im not sure Ive seen one irl that wasnt clipped but maybe Im just remembering the past. Don't think the US has a prohibition against it, so I think it still happens a lot. And if its a working dog, clipping the tail and ears may help the dog not being injured (a doberman as a police dog would be liable to injury if someone it was set on was able to grab its ears or tail). Edited March 16, 2015 by Amentep I cannot - yet I must. How do you calculate that? At what point on the graph do "must" and "cannot" meet? Yet I must - but I cannot! ~ Ro-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Here you go, uncropped ears: Hehe, looks like a Dachshund pumped up to 11! "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woldan Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 @ Amentep As far as I know there are very few Doberman dogs used in the police and military nowadays. Here you go, uncropped ears: Hehe, looks like a Dachshund pumped up to 11! A bit, the noses are different though, the Doberman has a longer straighter nose than the Dachshund. I gazed at the dead, and for one dark moment I saw a banquet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amentep Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 @ Amentep As far as I know there are very few Doberman dogs used in the police and military nowadays. That was kind of my point. There's no real need for dock & crop for a pet. 1 I cannot - yet I must. How do you calculate that? At what point on the graph do "must" and "cannot" meet? Yet I must - but I cannot! ~ Ro-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serrano Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) Talked with the breeder, one part of that freshly generated twitching furry mass there is mine! I can get her in ten weeks when she no longer dependent on her mother. All but two of the puppies are male. I feel a bit unsure about saying this, if it comes across badly then please know I'm not trying to tell you what to do or what you should do. I owned a dog for quite a few years and I think if I ever did get pets again then I'd either try to get two or make sure someone would be home most of the time to keep them company. I had to go to school then college, my parents after a certain point both had to work so our dog got lonely quite often during the day I think and I've always felt guilty about it. It seems to be something not a lot of people consider when getting a dog so I just thought I'd throw that out there. Sorry again if it was inappropriate. Edited March 16, 2015 by Serrano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woldan Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) No, I absolutely understand your concerns, though in my case its not a problem. I've been carefully thinking about owning a dog for more than a year, the last thing I want is make an animal suffer because of my selfishness. If I wasn't absolutely certain that I have enough time, space, knowledge, a fitting lifestyle, fitness and sense of responsibility for this specific breed I wouldn't get a Doberman. This is definitely not a snap decision.Oh and about the Dachshund: Edited March 16, 2015 by Woldan 6 I gazed at the dead, and for one dark moment I saw a banquet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Talked with the breeder, one part of that freshly generated twitching furry mass there is mine! I can get her in ten weeks when she no longer dependent on her mother. All but two of the puppies are male. Actually it's a sign the breeder is respectable that they are waiting 10 weeks. Puppies usually wean by week 6 but are best socialized in 10-12 weeks. A lot of breeders sell them at 8 weeks but I've found they do better if you wait a little longer before sending them out into the big wide world. 3 "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woldan Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Actually it's a sign the breeder is respectable that they are waiting 10 weeks. Puppies usually wean by week 6 but are best socialized in 10-12 weeks. A lot of breeders sell them at 8 weeks but I've found they do better if you wait a little longer before sending them out into the big wide world.I like the idea that the puppy can stay a little longer at her mothers side. I'm not sure if there is a real advantage for the future owner but it just feels right. I gazed at the dead, and for one dark moment I saw a banquet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManifestedISO Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 How exciting, what was her name again ... I am so looking forward to this adoption and it's not even my baby. All Stop. On Screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woldan Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) How exciting, what was her name again ... I am so looking forward to this adoption and it's not even my baby. Thank you! I named her Jackie. Edited March 17, 2015 by Woldan 1 I gazed at the dead, and for one dark moment I saw a banquet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Watched Arsenal tease me that they can actually grind out a win but nope, usual "better luck next year" Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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