Labadal Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 I do agree, and I don't always skip them myself (even if they are bad), I'm just saying the option is there for all of us.
Tale Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 Apparently one of the Awakenings companions is making a return. "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater."
Hassat Hunter Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 "Hello Liara" "Hey, Sheppard" "So how are you" "Good. Say I have a problem. Want to help?" "Sure. What's it?" "I love you. Have sex with me!" "Wait. What? We spoke 5 times in a generic manner. What the hell made this happen." "I love you Sheppard." "I got that. But I am not really interested. I prefer Tali, as she doesn't act like a whore. I had another girl who did, but I nuked her. Hey, Carth!" "Still, I think we should make love!" "Can I say no?" "No." "Okay then..." Somewhat my feelings during ME1. I don't mind sex scenes, as long as they are not cringeworthy, proceeded by cringeworthy dialogue. So far, no such luck with BioWare... ^ I agree that that is such a stupid idiotic pathetic garbage hateful retarded scumbag evil satanic nazi like term ever created. At least top 5. TSLRCM Official Forum || TSLRCM Moddb || My other KOTOR2 mods || TSLRCM (English version) on Steam || [M4-78EP on Steam Formerly known as BattleWookiee/BattleCookiee
Gromnir Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 You can always skip romances. I usually do that because they are never well written in games. The problem is BIO puts a lot of emphasis on romance in their games. It's very hard to avoid. they ain't that hard to avoid. however, am gonna concede that the temptation to try bio romances can be strong. how much of the game content is tied up with the romances? given that we has enjoyed game X so far, can one simply throw away +10% of the game content? will this game finally get it right? etc. many such questions arise. nevertheless, for the past few games Gromnir has managed to ignore the romances, 'cause we hasn't seen any marked improvement. bio keeps trying to refine their current romance scheme, and so we do not see any chance o' meaningful improvement. the great irony is that the thing that keeps bio romances from being anything more than crude and rushed side-quests also makes 'em avoidable. the romances is optional and tangential. this is their unavoidable flaw. this is their one saving grace. btw, while we thinks that this move by bioware is a bit o' unexpected lasciviousness that we feel demeans all parties involved, we cannot help but feel that the debate surrounding this latest biowarian innovation (HA!) will create a great deal o' unnecessary noise. a few moments o' poorly animated oral sex? *groan* is a carnival sideshow kinda curiosity at best, and ultimately it will fail to achieve... anything. crpgs is indeed a kinda actualized wish fulfillment, but is idealized wish fulfillment. coarse and vulgar is our firstest impression, and am not seeing how bio could implement so as to achieve the kinda idealized wish fulfillment their fans is looking to achieve. HA! Good Fun! "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
Tale Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 (edited) "Hello Liara""Hey, Sheppard" "So how are you" "Good. Say I have a problem. Want to help?" "Sure. What's it?" "I love you. Have sex with me!" "Wait. What? We spoke 5 times in a generic manner. What the hell made this happen." "I love you Sheppard." "I got that. But I am not really interested. I prefer Tali, as she doesn't act like a whore. I had another girl who did, but I nuked her. Hey, Carth!" "Still, I think we should make love!" "Can I say no?" "No." "Okay then..." Somewhat my feelings during ME1. I don't mind sex scenes, as long as they are not cringeworthy, proceeded by cringeworthy dialogue. So far, no such luck with BioWare... Reminds me of my last ME2 run. I'd decided not to do romances anymore. Then Tali starts being awkward and talking about us. Whoah, whoah, I was just being nice! I felt like a jerk breaking her heart. Edited February 7, 2011 by Tale "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater."
Gorgon Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 Sex sells? Does it really? Is that the deciding factor here? Are there a bunch of guys on the fence who are going to now run to pre-order the game because it has fellatio? Maybe there are, I guess I am disconnected. I'm on the fence, and I'm not swayed. Sex interactions with NPCs are good for a laugh if done right. You know how the porn industry has been accused of influencing how people interact with each other sexually, their expectations etc. young people with limited experience in particular. I wonder if in 20 years a budding romance might start with a heart felt present of 20 ingots of meteorite ore and 50 dead rats. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all.
Malcador Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 I wonder if in 20 years a budding romance might start with a heart felt present of 20 ingots of meteorite ore and 50 dead rats. I'm well ahead of the trend then Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Gfted1 Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Thorton_AP Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Sex sells? Does it really? Is that the deciding factor here? Are there a bunch of guys on the fence who are going to now run to pre-order the game because it has fellatio? Maybe there are, I guess I am disconnected. I was referring to why the magazine ran with the article. Look at the buzz it created in just this thread.
Hell Kitty Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 For all we know, it's a repeat of the same scenario. Except this time it probably involves some kind of cyborg. Bioware has ruined everything.
Volourn Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 " can one simply throw away +10% of the game content? " Romances are probably under 1% of the game content. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
Slowtrain Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 A friend and I were having a discussion about sexual content in CRPGs just the other day. I expressed disappointment in how games very rarely fail to live down to the worst of their stereotype as entertainment primarily for 13-year-olds. His response was that if you're going to make a game primarily to enable people to indulge a particular variety of puerile wish fulfillment (i.e., taking on the role of the noble-hero-or-badass-antihero around whom all the major events in the world revolve), throwing in idealized sexual content as an additonal flavor of said puerile wish fulfillment doesn't change much. His is probably a healthier attitude, in that I'm a snob who likes to pretend that my enjoyment of these games is much more sophisticated than all that, and in that there is no real reason why I should consider the sexual element of the content as any more embarrassing than all the violence, escapism, solipsism, etc., is. And there is some truth to that. But, still, I find it a lot easier to extract 'sophisticated' pleasures from well-executed RPG combat, rules systems, and character interaction than I do from what sexual content I have seen in games. Which, I think, means either that I'm hung up on sex (possible), or that the way games have implemented sexual content is consistently less well thought-out, less polished, and less engaging than the implementation of other game elements (almost certainly the case). I think games nowadays are not games so much as they are "experiences". Computer games used to commonly have rules, systems, mechanics, failure was always a possibility. A lot of current game development has been to minimize the presentation of those aspects, especially failure, which I think has lead a much more narcicisstic aspect to current games. Some genres still maintain more of a focus on tradtional gameplay, but they are definitely the less commerically vaible of the IPs. So I think you're friend is right: games today are not really much lessened by the inclusion of highly narcicisstic and idealized sexual content. A lot of them are all ready there in all other areas. Notice how I can belittle your beliefs without calling you names. It's a useful skill to have particularly where you aren't allowed to call people names. It's a mistake to get too drawn in/worked up. I mean it's not life or death, it's just two guys posting their thoughts on a message board. If it were personal or face to face all the usual restraints would be in place, and we would never have reached this place in the first place. Try to remember that.
Orogun01 Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 (edited) DA2 has a blowjob scene Lawl? I would had killed to have this information this morning, it would had helped to wipe the smugness of one friends today about DA2 being superior. If anything it would be a surefire way to bring the subject of fellatio in a conversation with her Edited February 8, 2011 by Orogun01 I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you.
Tale Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 (edited) Playing Awakening again, I'm now surprised that Bioware has kept a complete lid on any information that awakened Darkspawn or Disciples appear in DA2. Especially no mention of a Disciple companion. Seems up their alley. Also wish fulfillment. Edited February 8, 2011 by Tale "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater."
WorstUsernameEver Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 ...looks like my worst fears came true, they've designed dungeons the same way as Dragon Age: Origins. Goddammit.
Tale Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 What were you hoping they'd change about them? "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater."
Oblarg Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 What were you hoping they'd change about them? How about encounter design which isn't absolutely horrible, to start? "The universe is a yawning chasm, filled with emptiness and the puerile meanderings of sentience..." - Ulyaoth "It is all that is left unsaid upon which tragedies are built." - Kreia "I thought this forum was for Speculation & Discussion, not Speculation & Calling People Trolls." - lord of flies
WorstUsernameEver Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 No more bands of mooks spawning every three feet would help. They're boring, they're not tactical, and they're too much. The Deep Roads felt incredibly tedious and it looks like they will be just as tedious in Dragon Age II. Also HAWKE PUNCH, huh? It's really Dragon Effect. At least the skill trees look better, and the graphics didn't look that bad in that video. It feels like an 80s fantasy cartoon, but whatever.
Tale Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 (edited) How about encounter design which isn't absolutely horrible, to start? Your attention to detail and use of specific examples is admirable. Edited February 8, 2011 by Tale "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater."
Oblarg Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 How about encounter design which isn't absolutely horrible, to start? Your attention to detail and use of specific examples is admirable. 1. Walk into room. 2. Enemies spawn all around you. 3. Die 4. Reload, position correctly for coming fight, win. 5. Repeat in next room. That was the *entire goddamn game.* It was painful. "The universe is a yawning chasm, filled with emptiness and the puerile meanderings of sentience..." - Ulyaoth "It is all that is left unsaid upon which tragedies are built." - Kreia "I thought this forum was for Speculation & Discussion, not Speculation & Calling People Trolls." - lord of flies
Tale Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 (edited) That's simply untrue. I can think of entire dungeons that didn't do that once. Such as the Maleficar hideout in Denerim. I think Haven Temple only did that for the drake ambushes. Or the battles at the end for Denerim, which never did it. It just had them wait around corners or a few hiding Rogues near the end. Edited February 8, 2011 by Tale "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater."
Oblarg Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 That's simply untrue. I can think of entire dungeons that didn't do that once. Such as the Maleficar hideout in Denerim. I think Haven Temple only did that for the drake ambushes. Does "hyperbole" mean nothing to you? It was a very annoying mechanic that popped up again and again and again and serves as a great example of just how horrid the encounter design was. "The universe is a yawning chasm, filled with emptiness and the puerile meanderings of sentience..." - Ulyaoth "It is all that is left unsaid upon which tragedies are built." - Kreia "I thought this forum was for Speculation & Discussion, not Speculation & Calling People Trolls." - lord of flies
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