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Still not complete... Ha! But your "trick" works. I will null-edit a few pages then I guess. Edit: now I believe everything's in order. Tomorrow I will look up the ranged weapons. Edit2: had a quick look - ranged weapons seem to be fine!

I compared a Black Jacket/Sharpshooter with 4 weapon setsand 8 blunderbusses and a Devoted/Sharpshooter with 3 weapons sets and 6 bluderbusses. The 6 shots from the Devoted do more damage (combined) than the 8 shots from the Black Jacket. That's because Devoted's PEN bonus and Sharpshooter's PEN bonus stack. +4 PEN with blunderbuss (you get 15 PEN with a crit with a fine blunderbuss then) is better than the two additional shots. So even in this regard the Black Jacket is not necessarily the best fighter option.

It's totally ok for me that they put this in. It would just be nice if I could skip it. If not, I will deal with it.

Heyda! So Josh said that each character will get a proficiency point every third level instead of every fourth in the next iteration. Now - it may be they did that because they also planned to put universal talents into the proficiency screen - so that would make sense. But if they don't do that for some reason we will see a certain inflation of proficiencies on characters and especally in the party. The notorious Black Jacket is already considered a weak subclass by most users here (this can also be discussed here bythe way. I'm interested in all proposals how to make him better without changing then theme of the class that evolves around "versatility"). However, one of Black Jackets' "advantages" besides an additional weapon slot and faster switching is than they get additional weapon proficiencies. But the global increase of proficiency points waters down this advantage quite a bit - so this subclass is even weaker than before. What do you think? And what can be done? And why has nobody at OBS reacted to the criticism of the Black Jacket? P.S.: And will there be a Black Jacket (named "The Black Jacket's Black Jacket") in the game that we can find/buy/loot (preferably from the Black Isle Bastards of course) and that is only wearable by Black Jackets? And will Jack Black have a cameo as a Black Jacket in said Black Jacket? I hope so...

I don't like that stuff in the beta as it is now, but it may well be that others see it differently. It's not bad per se or so. Josh said they took inspiration from Faster than Light. Now I love FTL and played it a lot - but I can't see what inspirations they might have used and where those went... Another question is: although I love FTL, would I want it inside of an RPG? My answer would be "Probably not".

In the beta you can also just not steer your ship into the other one on the world map but simply steer around it. However, the annoying resource managing for ship and crew (morale and food and water and stuff) was always present when sailing around. Can't say if you can switch that off.

The ring also has 2 dominates per rest, that's why. The RES is bonus.

I guess you wanted to post this in the other thread, but great. Little low on the PER side perhaps.

You got it completely right with the talents and stuff. I also took Vulnerable Attack just because Alacrity + fists already gets you to 0 recovery, so Two Weapon Style + Vulnerable Attack = still 0 recovery but +5 damage per hit. If you find Gauntlets of Swift Action and use Durgan Steel on your armor you can even wear scale armor without slowdown and Breastplate with just 1 frame of recovery. High MIG, high INT, high DEX, ok CON. PER is not needed for fists so much because their damage doesn't care about graze/hit/crit. Although your spells might want some bonus ACC. But you don't need to pump it. RES is not needed at all. You'll have Spirit Shield. Most of he time I just stayed behind and waited for enemies who would rush past my front line. But what you described would work equally well. Good thing with the fists is: you can't do much to boost their damage (besides Sandals of the forgotten Friar and more MIG), so no Savage Attack or Apprentice's Sneak and so on. There's room for some alternative talents. You can pick defensive ones or bonus spells or whatever you like. Veteran's Recovery is neat with high MIG and INT, a healing item like Belt of Bountiful Healing or Fulvano's Amulett and survival's healing bonus. Also works with Vital Essence which makes this wizard surprisingly sturdy. The priest wants to have the highest MIG and INT possible. Aggrandizing Radiance and Minor Avatar or Champion's Boon stack. A great combo is Crowns, Champion's Boon and Aggrandizing+Inspiring Radiance, then go wild. Or simply Minor Avatar + Radiance. +10 to every stat is quite the show... also in terms of defenses.

But then I ask myself why the Devoted is called Devoted if he's worse than the Black Jacket with his chosen weapon.

That's exactly what Balthazar and I have mentioned before.

A side effect of that many proficiencies (1 every third level) is: of what use is the increased number of proficiencies the Black Jacket has?

Something like that, yes. Concerning "off tank is faster than main tank": as far as I know all party members have unified move speed outside of combat, so this shouldn't be a problem. Of course it can be if you are on autopilot and your frontline immediately rushes towards the enemy once the encounter starts.

Good point

It's still nice if you can combine it with stride debuffs or even immobilization. The far push is one of the few things in the game that lets you "relocate" enemies. It's also really nice in combo woth Arterial Strike. The enemy has to move in order to get back to you (or your party members) and takes a lot of damage on the way. Then you send him away again!

Yes, but I also meant if armors not only had recovery penalty but also stride penalty you could slow down movement "globally". Less stride is also a way to lower dps (because more time needed for reaching enemies means less time you deal damage) - as is recoery penalty. It mostly affects melee characters (who need to move a lot more than others) who still feel to strong anyways. At the same time you could lower recovery pernalties a bit. This could mean the overall dps doesn't change much while the balance of recovery to stride gets fixed (at least a bit). Just came to my mind and I think it's not the worst idea. It would improve: - the sluggishness of long melee recoveries ("why doesn't he do anything") - the "too fast" movement speed (since enemies like Lagufaeth might also wear armor) While it also makes sense that armor would slow you down a bit. I mean your movement speed. Several people who fight in plate armor of all sorts say that it's not so much the attack speed that suffers (that, too, but not as much as you would think), but the movement (footwork, running etc.). Don't know, never held a sword or wore an armor myself.

Jeez - why didn't you attach the file instead of copy & pasting it?

I don't know, if there are more people like me, but I choose my games very carefully and if I found one that I like, I play it over and over again, sometimes for years, as I don't have much time and often don't touch it for weeks. My last BG playthrough (together with my wife) lasted 2 years (We installed every possible mod, that wasn't cheesy). Since PoE came out, I didn't play anything else and I like it that way. What I expect from PoE2 is even more content and a high replayability (Which is part of the reason, why I will always prefer variety to balancing). I have no interest in other than IE-style games and that is unlikely to change. That's why I said "maybe". I know there will be a lot of examples where this is not the case. But the fans of BG and BGII and such are grown ups or even old geezers nowadays (look at me ). So I guess it's a fairly educaded guess that most people who play CRPGs nowadays have less time than they had when they were young - and at the same time thay maybe don't want to restrict themselves to one game like you (and I as well) do.

Yes, but I can also understand the frustration once you discover that the designers of the game put a +5 great sword in it but not a +5 sword. So either retraining or balancing the unique weapons better (so every proficiency has unique weapon of somewhat equal power) to counter that frustration. I personally have no problem with a C+5S (Carsomyr+5-Situation ), but I can understand others who have. And that also means that I can accept solutions that are not necessary for me, but may bring more joy to others playing that game. I don't retrain a lot in PoE actually. But I'm glad you can. At the same time I don't like the proficiency system in Deadfire because it's too shallow and doesn't need any commitment.

Just a UI problem basically.

So-so. On the one hand I find it ok that armor penalty has a big effect on weapons' recovery time - because armor is very important in Deadfire (too bad Deadfire pushes you to either wear none or the thickest). And a plate armor does slow you down. I personally would also like to see a slowdown of movement, maybe less recovery penalty but also stride penalty. Since movement speed and recovery times are out of balance anyways (or so it feels). On the other hand all that lenthgy recovering looks kind of stupid in a "real time with pause" system.

Carsomyr +5 was a reason for me to drop the current run and restart with a paladin. In which part was that +5 two hander for evil paladins you could find in some pile of junk? Same thing basically. I also restarted in Icewind Dale once I found that spear and the halberd I forgot the names of. However - I had the time to do that. Nowadays most fans of CRPGs are not teenagers anymore and maybe they can't afford to replay a game over and over again. So retraining seems to be a sensible solution for those people without watering down the mechanics too much.

Edit: Hey! I photoshopped this all by myself AndreaC - cut me some slack and give me a like!

In PoE you got a disengagement attack for that (what I really dislike). I haven't payed attention too much to that problem in Deadfire to be honest (I simply avoid moving my chars at all when engaged) so I can't say if this is better now.

It's better now, but I saw that some unique weapons are still missing. For example Drawn in Spring and Vent Pick. Full list of weapon that are still missing (out of my head, sb=soulbound, su=summoned): Club: - War Club of the Mataru (sb) Daggers: - Drawn in Spring - Reaping Knife (su)* Stilettos: - Vent Pick Maces: - Hanover's Fist of Dodm Swords: - Steadfast (sb) Great Swords: - Firebrand (su)* Pikes: - Tall Grass - Citzal's Spirit Lance (su)* Pollaxe: - Spectacular Spetum Quarterstaff: - Concelhaut's Parasitic Staff (su)* - Llengrath's Warding Staff (su)* ...maybe I forgot some. *) Only if you want to include summoned weapons, too.