Jediphile

Well, you're entirely wrong, but I think you're drawing incorrect conclusions from the initial use of the MSG. The MSG doesn't really affect the force, at least not directly. No, it was the death and destruction that it caused that put in the Exile in a state of mind that made him cut himself off from the force and create the force wound. That his anguish was indirectly caused by the destruction caused by the MSG is incidental, at least as far as I can tell.

Sorry for reviving this topic, but is it just me, or has 24 become a complete snuff-show? I mean, people have been dropping like flies - 3 major characters dead in two episodes. That's pretty grim.

Actually, that's only half true. Kreia didn't want to destroy the Force, Darth Traya did. Kreia was simply the guise that Darth Traya took on while she was teaching the Exile, as Traya is ever the mistress of deciet and betrayal. Kreia admits herself indirectly that Kreia is stronger than Darth Traya because Traya serves only the Darkside, whereas Kreia understands that neither good nor evil holds all of the answers. Kreia understands that the true answers come from within one's self, while Darth Traya doesn't. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Huh? Kreia=Darth Traya! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No- Kreia later takes on the role of Darth Traya. Traya was always and will always be there so she isn't directly tied to Kreia at all. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Be that as it may, there is only ever one Traya in KotOR2.

"Is the dark side stronger?" "No. Quicker. Easier. More seductive..."

remote was going to carry out Bao-Dur's order to reactivate the Mass Shadow Generator, which would have destroyed Malachor V. GOTO didn't want that to happen for the reasons mentioned in my post above.

The option in the conversation path should come automatically once you've gained enough influence with him. He may think highly of you, but you probably need just a little more yet.

Well, I liked the season finale. I liked the jump forward in time, because it meant that the characters were growing. It made sense that people would settle down and try to get back to their lives. You could argue that they should have known the cylons were coming, but that's just because we know there would be no show without the cylons. It made perfect sense to me that people - desperate from running from their lives - grabbed the first chance at making new lives for themselves. And with no cylon attacks or even sightings for an entire year, it's not unreasonable for them to become complacent, particularly when the world is as inhospitable and back-breaking as here.

People would laugh at him instead of fear him. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Better not let the Lord Darth JarJar hear that... He was a potential apprentice, you know... :cool:

There's already a Hutt Jedi in EU. His name is Beldorian Oh, and there was also a Wookiee jedi master named Tyvokka

Well, that's why the boards are there - so people can bitch and moan all they want to without other people having to listen to it all if they don't want to.

I think many of us do. If not because Revan is cool, then simply because he was hinted at all through the plot of KotOR2 without ever making a true appearance. If they had written him out completely, that would have been one thing, but to infer his appearance just around the corner repeatedly is a teaser that must lead to meeting Revan again. Well, we all are... I mean, we're here talking about a game that is still vaporware, aren't we? :D

GOTO: "Touching. The probability of the Iridonian installing triggered commands within your core was high; I see the probabilities have played out.Of course, the probability that I would do the same is equally high. Your inability to move right now is evidence of that. If the General issues the command, only I will be here to receive it.You must understand that the General would not wish the relics or the Sith strength here on Malachor to be compromised. Their presence is needed to stabilize the galaxy.Without them, the galaxy would be reduced to anarchy within years. And if there is anything I can't stand, it's an untidy galaxy.So, let us wait here, you and I, for the General's orders, and the fate of the galaxy shall wait with us."

Wow - God gets all the credit and glory and none of the blame or responsibility... Look, if you really want to discuss religion, then fine. I can even accept that you do it in relation to Star Wars, but the place to do it on this forum is on the Way-Off Topic board under the subject "Star Wars and religion" or some such, not on the general forum for the game itself. And drop the missionary attitude and the preaching - few people here like being moralized to, and you can't blame them for it, when you refuse to meet them on equal grounds. Besides... Off-topic this is. Off-topic comments lead to spam. Spam leads to derailment. Derailment... leads to lockdown!

The Exile is desinted to bring about the rebirth of the Jedi Order?!? That's the first I hear of it... Revan (if LS) and Bastila seem to be just as likely candidates. The Exile could be instrumental in bringing a new order about, but we don't even know how many other masters are still in hiding (Nomi is probably one), and an exiled jedi who is a wound in the force doesn't seem to make for the best of founders. That force wound has to be resolved first, before that is likely to happen. On what basis? Revan may have been powerful in his time, but he still didn't see Malak's betrayal, wasn't able to resist the masters reprogramming his mind, couldn't resist the dark side, etc... People really need to consider the New Jedi Order novels or at least read up on Luke's later life before they pass judgment on his abilities - he became far stronger than Anakin/Vader or Revan ever did. And before people say they hate the EU and don't accept it, bear in mind that KotOR is EU also.

Actually, that's only half true. Kreia didn't want to destroy the Force, Darth Traya did. Kreia was simply the guise that Darth Traya took on while she was teaching the Exile, as Traya is ever the mistress of deciet and betrayal. Kreia admits herself indirectly that Kreia is stronger than Darth Traya because Traya serves only the Darkside, whereas Kreia understands that neither good nor evil holds all of the answers. Kreia understands that the true answers come from within one's self, while Darth Traya doesn't. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Huh? Kreia=Darth Traya!

You just made the black list....

Same thing happens if you have Bao-Dur in your party. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Or if you just have a high repair skill...

Nah, being human is fine, but having more customisable options on the PC's appearence will be nice. Not something crucial, but still nice. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If being human is a forced choice, then I want it to be tied to the pc's background. I mean, there is no particular reason why the Exile couldn't have been an alien, as far as I can tell, so there was no point in forcing it. I'll accept it if there is good reason, though.

Hmm, you know you've fallen to the lure of the dark side when you actually consider to willingly use GOTO. However, it also strikes me as suitable punishment for embracing the dark path :D

Which incidently is one of the best things about this mod. Keeping it simple, playing it safe, so you'll fathom a huge amount of fans instead of 50% or less. I've always been afraid that mods would add things I really hated, but I don't have to be afraid when it comes to The Restoration Project. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree with that, actually. I mean, it's one thing that Atris turns DS, but that's not the same as having her take over all of Kreia's goals to destroy the force. Kreia has been on a quest for that specific goal from the very beginning, so it's difficult to explain why she would suddenly sacrifice herself to let some else carry it out toward the end of the game. Also, the fact that Atris is missing some soundfiles could suggest that Obsidian dropped the idea of making her Traya even before LA pushed the "rush hour" button.

Well... I'm not sure, so someone from the team will have to answer that one, but:

I think this has to do with the comment Kreia mentions to Sion about the Exile having to make a choice. That choice is whether to hurry the confrontation with Kreia at the sacrifice of his friends, or whether to save them and face stronger opposition as a consequence.

Well, the short version that Lucasarts own Star Wars, Obsidian doesn't, so whatever LA says goes, even if cutting the game to pieces. I think it's even been mentioned that Obsidian was even a little ahead of schedule, and so LA saw an opportunity for an early christmas release for the Xbox... Bioware may not take crap, but they would have had to in case of Star Wars, which is probably why they stayed away from K2.

For the DS ending? Simple - the DS Exile wants to study the lore of the Trayus Academy and so never gives the order to destroy it... Besides, remember that GOTO doesn't want M5 destroyed - that's why he froze Remote in the first place. But in the DS ending, HK-47 obeys GOTO and then destroys Remote. GOTO is in control, and so Malachor will not be destroyed. Whereas in the LS ending, GOTO fails to gain control of HK-47, who then kills GOTO (the other HK units being unable to act against him), allowing Remote to carry out his mission, once the LS Exile give the order to activate the MSG.

So? Carth hates the sith too - he isn't a jedi. You don't need to be a jedi to hate the sith. Heck, you could be a dark jedi and still hate the sith - that would be a character who has decided to fight and kill the sith by any means necessary, fighting fire with fire. And along similar thoughts, I guess Jolee is different from other jedi in that he while he might do just the same as the jedi, he does so for different reasons. Members of the jedi order exist to serve the (light side of the) force. Note something the masters say in the meeting on Dantooine in K2: "The last Jedi conclave was on Katarr, a Miraluka colony. And all of Katarr was destroyed, all of the Jedi killed...Including Master Zhar... Master Vandar... Including Master Zhar. Master Vandar. A Jedi doesn't care if he dies. Everyone does, but when we fight, when we sacrifice ourselves, it is for others, for the greater good." The members of the jedi order believe that they are servants to something greater, something that is superior to themselves - the force. They don't claim to understand its wishes, but they serve it regardless and blindly, if need be, trusting completely that the will of the force is wise and omniscient. That's where Jolee would disagree. He will not sacrifice his life blindly, nor will he blindly serve the force. Jolee lost his faith in the force after what happened to his wife. He doesn't hate the force as Kreia does, but he doesn't see it as something greater that must be served either. Or maybe it's just that he can no longer see himself as a worthy servant of the force after what has happened in his life. It's probably a little of both...