Jediphile

Well, you might play both games, but people like me are examples too. I like the single-player aspect of KotOR because it focuses on better plot IMHO, but LA/Bioware think that if they can get me over to the MMO, they can make more money of people like me, because I'll have to pay the subscription fee. However, if there is a single-player game, then there is no way I'll do that, and so K3 and TOR effectively become competing product for me - both are RPGs, both are Star Wars, both are set in the Old Republic era, both focus on the threat from the true Sith to the Republic... But I'll take K3 over the MMO any day, and LA makes more money if I play the MMO. Therefore they won't make K3, because that way I'll have no choice but to play the MMO if I want to play in the Old Republic era. You might buy and play both, but I wouldn't, and so potential sales are still hurt by what would in my case have to be considered a competing product from the same company, and that product it also cost money for LA to develop. Now, granted, I'm not the best example, because K3 or not, there is no way I'll be paying to play the MMO. None. If subscription was free, I might consider it, but since I'm supremely confident it won't be, it's just not going to happen. But there are those who'll be enticed to play the MMO because it's going to be the only KotOR-era game around. People who are like me, except that they might consider paying the subscription fee. LA will do whatever it takes to herd those people over to the MMO, because they can make more MMOney on game sale plus subscription fee that way than they can from single-player K3 which gives them just game sale profits alone. Hence, no K3 for us...

1. I disagree completely. Both are CRPGs. The difference between an MMORPG and a SPCRPG is small to most people, and most probably to those exploring the market. Both are about creating a character and building that character with a level or skill based system. A different market would be if one was RTS like Empire at War or FPS like Battlefront. 2. Keep in mind that just Revan's voice for "ready" comments in KotOR1 was debated severely. It's probably no accident the exile is utterly quiet throughout TSL. 3. And if they play less, they might not pay the MMOney for a few months. That's exactly the reason there won't be a K3. You don't oversaturate the market. That's the reason LA gave for releasing only so many Star Wars games per year.

1. Since we still don't know Yoda's species, there is no basis that I know of to suggest that he used the force to prolong his longevity. Maybe his species - whomever they are - simply live that long. Besides, if life could be prolonged like that, why haven't we seen more masters of the order do it? 2. I assume the Sith master who survived the Great Hyperspace War you speak of is Naga Sadow. He did survive to escape and form a temple on the fourth moon of Yavin, and after that his fate is pretty much unknown. We know that Freedon Nadd somehow learned from Sadow 600 years later, and some sources suggest Sadow entered suspended animation, though the point is unclear. Sadow's ultimate fate is a bit sketchy. IIRC, the New Essential Guide to Characters says that Nadd killed Sadow, yet it's also established that Nadd made himself king of Onderon because he could not become dark lord while his master lived (and Nadd's teachings led to the Great Sith War 400 years later, since Nadd's force ghost taught Exar Kun the secrets of the dark side). Sadow could be the Sith emperor, I suppose, though that would again require a retcon removing the bit that he died by Nadd's hand. Surviving for a long time is not unheard of, though, especially among the sith. For example, a key point of the comic book crossover series requires that the fallen jedi Celeste Morne goes into suspended animation during the KotOR era's Mandalorian Wars only to be awakened 4000 years later by Darth Vader by using an oubliette created by the Sith Lord Dreypa (whomever he was). So we know that the Sith have that sort of technology. Indeed, Haazen uses a similar device to put jedi master Krynda Draay in a similar device (a major plot point of the KotOR comic book). Could Revan and Exile still be out there using similar devices? Well, I suppose we can't rule it out, but then what would be the point? If they're both going to appear again in TOR as saviors of the Republic, then why bother to advance the timeline by 300 years? It seems to me the whole point of advancing time 300 years is to make sure Revan and exile are dead so there will be no need to deal with them except possibly as long dead historic characters.

They specifically say KotOR 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 rather than "content that would equal KotOR 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7". That doesn't exactly leave much question about the relationship to KotOR...

Yes, Force Crush it the ultimate campaign hoser. As long as there is no other opposition and you have enough force points (which isn't really an issue late in TSL in any event), there is nothing a lone enemy can do - just spam the button and watch him die. There is no defense against the damage, and since the enemy gets no chance to strike back, he or she is defenseless. It's only if that enemy is not alone and so has allies who can attack you that he or she has any chance of survival. No matter who that enemy. Spam the button and kill Atris, kill Nihilus, kill Sion, kill Traya. The only difference is how long it takes and how many force points it costs.

Right. Computer games are an industry. If you can sell a product equally well with less cost to manpower to produce it, then that's what you do, and since modern cRPGs require voice-acting, multiple scenarios are even less likely, because they require not only more work for the designers and programmers, but also for the voice-actors. Making one game with two divergent plots is just not going to happen. I was impressed they even bothered to reflect the multiple genders and alignments of both Revan and the exile in TSL. Well, I agree it has negative impact, but I don't think that's the deciding factor. The simple truth is that TOR is the spiritual successor to KotOR, and according to LA, KotOR is the most successful Star Wars game they ever made. They don't want two games in the same franchise competing with each other. If there is both a KotOR3 and TOR, then there is little doubt that fewer of us will be playing the MMO than if there is just TOR. Oversaturation in the market is something the entertainment industry is very wary of. Actually, Revan's male voice in KotOR for those comments was that of Rino Romano. He has since voiced The Batman and Caramon Majere in Dragonlance. I think that makes him qualified...

No.

I didn't mean that I dislike using the darth title, but simply that I didn't like that Revan and Malak initially seemed not to have thought of cool sith names for themselves. Darth Vader instead of Anakin Skywalker or Darth Sidious instead of Palpatine (if that is his real name - I have no idea) are good, but the jedi Revan becoming Darth Revan or the jedi Malak becoming Darth Malak is disappointing, because it says something about the sith that they took new names that signaled a fundamental change in their beliefs. That Revan and Malak couldn't think of new names was disappointing. But luckily that was not the case, it seems. Certainly we know that Darth Malak's "real" name was Alek. But yes, it's a simple matter of opinion either way.

It's a historically applied name to an individual of historic significance. Again, like Lenin. But of course, the assumption is that it is not the character's given name. As for putting "Darth" in front of one's own name being cool, I guess I'll just have to disagree. I've always considered it incredibly uncool that Revan and Malak apparently did that. Vader is so much cooler than Anakin Skywalker, Sidious than Palpatine, Lumiya than Shira Brie, etc. Well, maybe not Tyranus instead of Dooku - those I'd consider about as good. So I like JJM's solution, because it allows Revan to remain Revan without having chosen about the most uncool sith name is Star Wars history. coughArrenKaecough Now, I certainly never said that...

The Suncrusher? The cloned Emperor? If you think those are the worst examples of stupid stuff in the EU, then I would respectfully say that you've been spared from some of the worst examples. How about Master Ooroo, the floating jedi brain of the Great Hyperspace War, or Simus, the body-less severed living head of a Sith lord of the same age? But those are just bad examples. In my book, the worst by far must be Valenthyne Farfalla's ship, the Fairwind, during the New Sith War. I mean, does this look like a starship to you? Because it is...

I disagree, you are given a choice to stay at the academy and wait for more force sensatives to find you, or you could follow Reven's path into the unknown regions. Only in the DS ending, which is not canon. Clearly the exile cannot stay at the academy on Malachor in the LS ending, because there is no Malachor. And even in the DS ending, the choice is to go where Revan did now, or stay on Malachor and show others the way, until the exile does decide to go.

Well the exile could of went to the unknown regions or he could stayed back in the known regions. So don't assume the exile is off with Reven just yet. Well, the game more ends up more than implying that exile will indeed follow Revan into the unknown regions. Kreia: "You must go where Revan did, into the Unknown Regions, where the Sith, the true Sith, wait in the dark for the great war that comes. And he came because Malachor, like Korriban, lies on the fringes of the ancient Sith Empire, where the true Sith wait for us, in the dark.Have we? You thought that the corrupted remnants of the Republic, the machines spawned by technology that Revan led into battle were the Sith? You are wrong. The Sith is a belief. And its empire, the true Sith Empire, rules elsewhere.And Revan knew the true war is not against the Republic. It waits for us, beyond the Outer Rim. And he has gone to fight it, in his own way.He left the Ebon Hawk and its machines behind, for he knew he would not need them.And, like you, he knew he must leave all loves behind as well, no matter how deeply one cares for them. Because such attachments are not the way of the Jedi, and they would only bring doom to them both in the dark places where he now walks. It would have helped had he made her understand. But she was always strong-willed, that one, and did not understand war as Revan did." Kreia: "You must go where Revan did, into the Unknown Regions, where the Sith, the true Sith, wait in the dark for the great war that comes. It is because he remembered what lay buried here - this place, its teachings. It paved the way to Korriban, you know, the remnants here. And he came because Malachor, like Korriban, lies on the fringes of the ancient Sith Empire, where the true Sith wait for us, in the dark. Have we? You thought that the corrupted remnants of the Republic, the machines spawned by technology that Revan led into battle were the Sith? You are wrong. The Sith is a belief. And its empire, the true Sith Empire, rules elsewhere.And Revan knew the true war is not against the Republic. It waits for us, beyond the Outer Rim. And he has gone to fight it, in his own way.He left the Ebon Hawk and its machines behind, for he knew he would not need them.And, like you, he knew he must leave all loves behind as well, no matter how deeply one cares for them. Because such attachments are not the way of the Jedi, and they would only bring doom to them both in the dark places where he now walks. It would have helped had he made her understand. But she was always strong-willed, that one, and did not understand war as Revan did. Because I did not know where he had gone. If he had asked... would I have gone? I do not know.But he will need warriors, Sith and Jedi, any who can be sent after him into the depths of space, any who know the way.Perhaps you shall go there with him, and do battle at the end of all things." This is the conclusion of TSL. It's not so easy to just ignore, because then what was the point of Kreia revealing all that. Well, by the time TSL begins, Revan has been gone for four years already. What has been doing during that time? I always expected we'd see a new game set a few years after TSL, where the true Sith threaten the Republic and Revan and the exile turn out to have worked tirelessly for years to prevent the fall of the Republic. Alas, I fear that will never happen now, save in a comic book or a novel, or even as part of throwaway comments in TOR.

1. Actually, the average age of gamers is now about 30 years of age, which means you can market games to adults. Hence games like GTA and Manhunt. However, it also means that game plots cannot be as convenient anymore, because adult gamers won't abide the sort of plots you might be able to sell to teenagers. 2. You misunderstand. My point is that the whoever would write the game would not write two plots - one for Revan and one for the exile - in one game, and so if both characters had to be an option, it would be a plot that fits both, and which would make it less interesting. It's not a question of who the characters are, but of what sort of the plot the game writers would come up with as a result. As for starting over, you seem to be only one here voicing support for that idea, and that is on a board of fans heavily dedicated to KotOR, since we would otherwise probably not read and post here. I'm not going to argue against a third, new character who meets Revan and exile late in the game, however, since that is a suggestion I've made myself in the past. Because of the MMO, I don't believe there is any possibility of that now, though. Sadly. Note: You haven't witnessed extreme fanboyism over Revan or exile?!? Oh, lucky, lucky you...

Umm, Darth Traya's real name is not Betrayal.... Revan's real name is not revanchism. These are what the writers decided to BASE their names off of. Yes, but then that still means that Revan's "real" name still is not Revan. John Jackson Miller Miller who writes the KotOR comic book has argued that people knowing the character by the name "Revan" does not mean it is his given name. IIRC, he compared it to Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov being known by history as Lenin. He then set up Revan's faction as being called the "Revanchists", because "revanchism" is what they seek in their stand against the Mandalorians. Their leader then becomes "The Revanchist Leader" and since simply "The Revanchist" only to later become plainly "Revan". As explanations go, that's not so bad IMHO, and it does solve the problem of both Revan and Malak being so woefully unoriginal that they simply put Darth in front of their names when they turned to the dark side. Malak's real name was Alek, according to the comic book. We have no idea what Revan's real name was, except that it was thus probably not Revan. And no, Kreia's real name is neither Darth Traya or Betrayal. But neither is it Kreia...

1. A game makes more money, and is more enjoyable to most people. Not sure about that, but then games also cost a lot more to produce, as far more people are involved. And since Revan and exile now cannot defeat the true Sith in any definite way, it's not a game LA is likely to produce. Star Wars stories are epic stories of good vs. evil. Just name me one plot-driven Star Wars game that does not have a plot of good vs. evil on a galactic scale. There are games like the Episode I Racer, sure, but that's a game focused on the racing bit and not the plot. The plot driven games tend to place the player as the savior of his age, the hero who defeats all evil and kills the bad guys. Well, if the player chooses the light side ending anyway (and LS endings always seem to be the canonic ones). Since Revan cannot return triumphant from the Sith Empire and cannot defeat it and kill its emperor, the plot would not meet the criteria of an ultimate victory over the bad guy that such a plot-driven game would demand. Hence it is not likely to be made. Consequently I agree with Calax that we're more likely to see this resolved in a novel or comic book. LA has let it slip that they plan to publish a novel in time for TOR's release. Will it reveal the entire plot of the MMORPG? Unlikely. But I expect Revan's and exile's fates may be dealt with in some manner. I find it more likely that Revan and exile will now only serve the purpose of historic background figures of TOR used to set the stage for the plot. It resolves their fates and gets the trouble of their various alignment and gender options out of the way. It will not matter if one or both were darksided, because they both left to stand against the true Sith anyway. The fates of the Star Forge and Malachor V are unlikely to be mentioned for the same reason. I could even imagine a plot where they are both dark sided with no other explanation than someone musing as to whether they were all along or turned to the dark side in order to gain power in the Sith Empire. Since they're both dead 300 years later, it doesn't matter anyway. I mean, did Revan go and oppose the true Sith because he was lightsided and wanted to defend the Republic or did he do it because he was darksided and wanted to preserve his own empire or expand it? Well, if his tactics and actions are the same either way, then what does it matter? The plot simply does not need to answer it, and so it can be left to each player to answer it for himself, just as it was the case in TSL. I agree. It may have been a long time, but the Sith Empire hates the Jedi and the Republic so much that Naga Sadow was itching for revenge 1900 years after his ancestors were exiled from the order and the Republic following the Hundred Years Darkness. Instead of his revenge, the Republic destroyed their empire. So it's not hard to imagine they'd still hold a grudge 1300 years after the fall of the empire. Or as Kreia puts it: "These Sith... they seek the death of all Jedi. As have all the Sith since the Jedi Order was first split.Yes... the Jedi Civil War is not the first one of its kind - thousands of years ago, the Jedi had another civil war that split the Order. It was a... terrible thing.A faction among the Jedi abandoned the teachings of the order, following their own path.They waged war on their fellow Jedi, a war that raged across the galaxy.But these fallen Jedi were cast out, defeated, and they retreated to worlds in the Outer Rim. Over time, they took on the mantle of the Lords of the Sith.But in their hearts, they never forgot the Jedi. The hatred for the Jedi Order burns in their veins like fire, and echoes in their teachings. Revan tasted it... as Malak did." Are these things possible to do? Sure. But that doesn't mean they're likely to be. A K3 where you can choose to play both as Revan and exile is unlikely in the extreme, since the devs would either have to make a custom story that is so generic that it fits both characters and so risks losing interest, because there is virtually be no difference between Revan or exile, or it would require a separate plot for each, meaning making basically two game plots in one game. Not likely. It's not cost-effective. Yes, lots of things can be done in games now, but note how games tend to focus on a particular feature and circle around it as something unique. It's a selling point if a game has something special in it. But you don't go pooling lots of advanced features in one game, because they're expensive to develop, though the game will still be sold at about the same price. Besides, Calax has a point when he says people will not like seeing Revan or exile scaled back to level one. What? The character suddenly lost his or her connection to the force and had to start over AGAIN?!? No, the exile was not amnesic like Revan, but she still lost all her experience. She didn't forget her past, but it hardly mattered - the result was still the same. It may be game mechanics, yes, and even game mechanics that I don't like because it's based on the D20 rules, but KotOR games are plot-driven games. A convenient excuse to make the player start over will be seen as just that - convenient. Or at worst as a cop out. I play KotOR games because I like the plots, not because I enjoy the mechanics. If the character is conveniently forced to start over again for the purpose of serving the mechanics rather than the plot, then it will not sell as well because people will be disappointed.

But in the Sith Empire? Revan doesn't do things half-way, I guess...

I agree with this assessment. Plotwise it seems to me that TSL was always meant to deal with Revan in a way that would make sense regardless of whether the dark or light side ending were chosen at the end of the first game. The way to do that was to create an obstacle that would be a threat to both good and evil Revan. Enter the true Sith, who are definite danger to both LS Revan's beloved Republic and DS Revan's new empire. In either case, this threat cannot be ignored. It also served the problem of getting Revan out of TSL's plot. It's a mystery what happened to him or her, and there is this unspoken promise that you'll find out throughout the game. Plus it serves the double purpose of being so big a threat that even the exile will end up leaving to destroy it, regardless of which side of the force she or he ended up on. No, we don't actually know that Revan and even the exile left to stop the true Sith, but the circumstantial evidence in TSL leans pretty heavily towards that conclusion.

Your timeline is a little off. Pardon me for revising the timeline (BBY = years Before the Battle of Yavin): 7003-6900 BBY: The Second Great Schism / Hundred Years Darkness - This is the conflict within the jedi order that ends with the dark jedi being exiled and going to Korriban to subject the Sith species and founding the Sith Empire. 5000 BBY: Great Hyperspace War - Naga Sadow's Sith Empire invades the Republic almost 2000 years later. The Republic resists, however, and between infighting among the Sith and retaliation from the Republic, the Sith Empire falls as a result. 4000-3996 BBY: The Great Sith War begins a thousand years later, when the jedi Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma fall to the dark side and become the new lords of the sith. The Sith Empire is not involved, though the force-ghost of Freedon Nadd guides Exar Kun to the dark side. Freedon Nadd was himself a student of Naga Sadow, though their exact history is still rather unclear. 3986 BBY: The Conclave on Exis Station and the redemption and death of Ulic Qel-Droma on Rhen Var. This is all fallout from the Great Sith War. 3976 BBY: The Mandalorians begin conquering worlds in the outer rim. 3964-3960 BBY: About 30 years after the end of the Great Sith War, The Mandalorian Wars begin when the Mandalorians attack Republic space. The war ends with the Mandalorians' defeat at Malachor V, where Revan kills Mandalore. 3959-3956 BBY: The Jedi Civil War begins a year after the Mandalorian Wars, when Revan and Malak return as conquerors. It ends with the events of KotOR1, when Revan kills Malak and destroys the Star Forge. A year later in 3955, Revan disappears into the unknown regions. 3955-3951 BBY: The First Jedi Purge sees the Sith Triumverate of Traya, Nihilus and Sion exterminate the Jedi Order in a "shadow war". The Jedi Order suffers a major blow, when in an attempt to discover their enemy it stages the The Conclave on Katarr in 3952 only to be destroyed by Darth Nihilus. The conflict ends with the return of the exile and the events of TSL. The exile then leaves the Republic to join Revan in the unknown regions. 3656 BBY: 295 years later the Sacking of Coruscant and the subsequent Treaty of Coruscant sets the stage for The Old Republic MMORPG. I'm not sure. We know very little of just what happened at the end of the Great Hyperspace War when the Sith Empire fell. Looking at the "Tales of the Jedi: Fall of the Sith Empire" comic books that described the event, it all seemed to be have been resolved in two battle fought consecutively, one when Naga Sadow's defeated forces returned to the Sith Empire only to be greeted by the hostile forces of Ludo Kressh, and another when the Republic fleet following Sadow back to the Sith Empire destroyed the remnants of both fleets. Wookieepedia clear presumes battles to have been fought over Korriban, but I'm not sure how they know that, since it is actually never mentioned in the comic book where these battles are fought. It would make sense, since Korriban is where the Daragons found their way to the Sith Empire, and the Republic forces followed coordinates he gave them before his death. But it's actually never stated in the story. In any regard, the battles took place in space, so while that might destroyed the war machine of the Sith Empire and killed its leaders, it says nothing about the people of the empire - there is no evidence of the Republic performing planetary bombardments of Korriban or other Sith worlds, for example. Indeed, after the battle, Empress Teta makes a point of returning to the Republic immediately. The Sith Empire consisted of many planets, and it seems unlikely the Republic could have devastated it all in a single day. Besides, is that the sort of thing the Republic would do? But I doubt the Sith Empire would idolize Exar Kun and Ulik (or Malak for that matter). They were all humans and fallen jedi with no bloodlines back to the sith empire. Revan might a different matter, if Kreia is correct that he left for the unkown regions to follow the call of home, but then again, he (canonically) redeemed himself, and the Sith would hate him for that even more. Or someone else Kreia (responding to the exile asking about the fate of his friends): "You travel with them for so long, yet you do not know them still. Feel them through the Force, feel what they feel, hear their thoughts and know them, as I fought to know you.They were the Lost Jedi, you know. The true Jedi, upon which the future will be built. They simply needed a leader, and a teacher." Well, I agree with your observations here, but I think you're forgetting something too. Luke had no basis to found his academy on - he had to start from scratch with very few jedi. The same is not true at the end of TSL. The Jedi Order is decimated and most of the knights and masters dead, yes, but nobody ever says all the younglings and padawans were killed. And what about the other jedi of the era out there whose fates we don't know, such as Nomi, Vima, Jolee and Juhani. Clearly Bastila is still around as well. Even Kreia doesn't say they were all killed. Kreia: "The loss of many Jedi Knights in the war against Malak has further weakened the Republic.Not all Jedi Knights fell in battle... some were seduced by the dark side and the teachings of the Sith.Other Jedi Knights abandoned the Order, claiming the Jedi Council's teaching of Malak and Revan caused them to turn on the Republic.Where once there were thousands, by the war's end, barely a hundred Jedi Knights remained." Kreia: "The Jedi Civil War destroyed the Jedi. By the war's end, barely a hundred Jedi remained. Many fell in battle... and many more were seduced by Revan's teachings.The Jedi Academy on Dantooine is nothing more than a crater that echoes with the ghosts of dead Jedi.And the Jedi Temple on Coruscant lies empty. The waters in the Room of a Thousand Fountains have fallen still, in reverence to the fallen Jedi... and those now lost.{Bitter, she was Revan's teacher}Many Jedi blamed the teachings of the Jedi Masters for Revan's fall... and the civil war that followed. These Jedi turned from the Jedi Order and set out to find their own truth - no one knows where these Lost Jedi travel now.Perhaps. And if they are not dead already, then their time runs short. The Sith will not spare any they find.Perhaps, but they are Jedi no longer. If the Sith have not already slain them, then they will not help you, nor can you help them." Now, are those hundred only knights or does she mean both knights and masters? We don't know. But they have to cover all the jedi subsequently killed by herself, Nihilus and Sion, including Nihilus' attack on Kataar. If the masters are counted among those hundred, the number also includes Zhar, Dorak, Vandar, Vrook, Zez-Kai Ell, Kavar, Vash and Atris, all of whom (with the possible exception of Atris) are dead by the end of TSL. But note how Kreia also says that some jedi were disappointed by the order and left it (I guess Zez-Kai Ell represents their position in the game - he even says he is no longer a jedi at one point). And isn't Jolee in the first game an example of this? We don't know how many of those former "lost" jedi are out there, and they might return to help found a new order on their own ideals, the ideals of the old masters having clearly failed. The point is that Luke had to start from scratch, before almost an entire generation had passed since the order fell, and we know that Vader and Palpatine hunted all the survivors down and even killing the younglings. The same is not true in TSL, which seems more like it was the knights and masters - the teachers - who were killed, while the students were still there with no one to teach them. Disciple is a prime example of this. And all the events that led to this all took place within less than a decade. This leaves ranks of potentials to teach for a new academy. They'll need time, of course, but not as much as Luke did.

Yes, this is part of the plan. A novel will come out sometime around the game release time and that's all that's been determined so far. I'll let you know as things develop. This novel is where I expect the fates of Revan and the exile to be tied off rather than in a KotOR3. I see no possibility that KotOR3 will be made now. At least not the KotOR3 that I was expecting, where Revan and the exile confront and ultimately defeat the threat of the true Sith Empire and then return to live in peace in the Republic. A KotOR3 could be made, sure, but to me it would now be KotOR3 in name only, because the true Sith plot now continues in TOR instead. So what did Revan and the exile do? That will now be only background in the game and more likely in this novel, I think.

Well, you're supposed to kill the large beast, then enter the throne room to join the fight between the forces of General Vaklu and Queen Talia. Assuming you already killed the beast, it sounds like a bug to me. Hope you have recent save or relevant autosave around...

There's DarthStoney's M4-78 mod... http://knightsoftheoldrepublic.filefront.com/file/M478;89207 Whoa. Calm down, please. I'm still patient, but the mod has indeed been a long time coming. And I wouldn't exactly call it inspiring that it's been over a year since the last progress report either.

Lots of stuff still missing, but I'm actually impressed by what they chose to put up first: Argument Clinic, Ministry of Silly Walks, The Stoning scene from "Life of Brian", Four Yorkshiremen as well as Pope and Michelangelo from "Live at the Hollywood Bowl" and Killer Rabbit and Black Knight from "Holy Grail" are all among some of the very best Python clips. I'm ROFL and losing time like crazy over those clips :lol: