Jediphile

MMO with a regular fee = won't be playing or paying.

That's just a comic books adaptation of the stories by Fritz Leiber. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fafhrd_and_the_Gray_Mouser An entire campaign setting was decicated to the stories in the city of Lankhmar in early AD&D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lankhmar#Lankhmar_in_games

It wasn't that bad. I agree. I thought it was reasonably entertaining and better than I'd feared. The action is pretty constant and not incredibly unbelievable given what we've otherwise seen in Star Wars. My only two grips are Ahsoka and Jabba Jr, especially the latter who is clearly the JarJar of the film. But even so, he is far, far less annoying than JarJar. Ahsoka is a decent character, but suffers a little from "the spunky kid" syndrome, which reveals very clearly that this is a children's movie. Oh, Ziro the Hutt was also both awful and embarrasing. And not in a good way. But otherwise this was all a nice little Star Wars adventure. Definitely not a great film not to be missed, but if you go for straight, mindless entertainment for about 90 minutes, you could spend your money on much worse.

Also, the fuel quest itself is frequently bugged. You originally get the mission from Lt. Grenn on Telos, because Citadel Station lacks fuel after the destruction of Peragus (but you know all that). Once you reach Nar Shaddaa, you can take the matter up with Vogga, who insists you must deal with Goto for him first, before he'll make a deal. Now, once you've been to Goto's yacht (part of the main plot), you should be able to go back to Vogga and negotiate a deal to get him to deliver fuel from Sleheyron to Telos after you've gotten Goto's attacks on his ships stopped. The trouble is that like so many things in TSL, the mission is bugged, and the conversation where you negotiate with Vogga (with varying degrees on success, depending on your negotation skills) doesn't always trigger. Don't ask me why. I've managed to complete the mission in some playthroughs and not in others. You'll know it worked, if you can go back to Vogga and have him acknowledge that Goto's yacht has been destroyed. Once negotitations are over, you can go back and report it to Lt. Grenn on Telos. But don't expect big, whopping rewards and parades even if you do manage to get it to succeed. It's more along the lines of 'oh, you did get a new fuel source? Well, that's nice'. So don't worry if it won't trigger, because you're not missing huge xp rewards or items or even credits anyway.

Those scenes are the so-called "Lost Scenes" of Star Wars. Lucas originally shot them, because he was adviced by his fellow directors to introduce his protagonist early in his movie, even though he didn't want to, and when he saw the dailies, he decided he didn't need the scenes. I disagree with him, though, because Biggs' death at the end of the movie makes little sense unless you've seen the early scene establishing the friendships between him and Luke, especially if you put the scene with their reunion just before the Battle of Yavin back into the movie as Lucas did in the special editions and the later dvd editions. This is not all the lost material, though. There is an alternate version of the cantina scene in Mos Eisley, which Lucas scrapped and later reshot in the studio because he didn't like several things in it, one of which was the lack of alien feel to the cantina. The alternate scene also includes a woman hanging around Han Solo just before Chewie introduces Luke and Ben to him. All of these scenes were included on the Star Wars: Behind the Magic cd-rom, where they can be seen in far better quality. I have that cd-rom myself. Nice find, though. If someone finds the cut scenes from Empire Strikes Back (such as the Wampa attack on the rebel base) or Raiders on the Lost Ark (like the scene with Indy tying himself to the submarine's periscope with his whip), then don't hesitate to post them.

Nah, it's just a time right now, when an unsually large number of people have technical questions, while the rest of us have very little to say about the game. I mean, it's close to four years old now, so it's pretty much all been said already. When TSLRP is finished, I have no doubt that will change, though. But otherwise I don't expect much talk. We've simply analyzed and discussed the game too much by now.

I couldn't say for sure, but as far as I know the vast majority of published material approved by Lucasarts is considered canon, including all the comic books, novels, cartoons, computer games and what have we. The notable exception are the Star Wars Tales comic book anthologies, and even some of that is considered canon IIRC. The Infinities comic books, being alternate versions of mostly the movies, are naturally not canon either. Lots of people talk about A-canon and C-canon and whatnot, but to LA it seems that comic book characters like Zayne Carrick or Marn Hierogryph (from the KotOR comic book) are just as much canon as Wedge Antilles was in the movies. It's just that a lot of fans don't feel that way for whatever reason. Some of the alternate versions of the game endings are not canon, though, such as evil Revan in KotOR1 (since Revan is canonically light sided and male). Same for Kyle Katarn and Jaden Korr for the Jedi Knight/Jedi Academy games.

And that is no coincidence.

TSL is the ESB of KotOR even now, but I'd agree that is precisely the one reason why I'd pick K1 as the better game. I cannot in good conscience count an unfinished game as the better one. But that's the only reason K1 wins as the best game for me - TSL had far, far better plot and characters. It's just such a crying shame there should be laws against it...

Nope, other way around - the dark jedi conquered the sith species, then interbred with them until there were none of the original species left. This led to the formation of the Sith Empire. The Sith species had potential for but little knowledge of the dark side or the force itself - they learned from the dark jedi. Start reading here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hundred_Years_Darkness

Saw "The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor" today. Terrible. Even worse than the second - just lots of big explosions and CGI with mediocre acting. Maria Bello tries in vain to copy Rachel Weiss' performance as Evelyn and fails instead of making the character her own. There is no challenge to the her and Brendan Fraser as the couple of the movie, though, when Isabella Leong and Luke Ford play as terribly as they do here. Brendan Fraser and John Hannah seem to have looked around, noted the lowered bar when it comes to giving a performance and then shrug their shoulders saying, "Oh what the heck - it's just The Mummy AND a secure paycheck". Hint: You know things aren't good when upon leaving the theatre, you catch yourself thinking, "actually, Jet Li played pretty well in this flick." Big explosions and visual computer effects do not a movie make. They really should have let the Mummy rest in peace...

I love that, but I have a problem with that film, as I can never decide which is better - Slim Pickens keeping his Stetson locked in a vault on the bomber for the time when they drop the big one, or Peter Sellers (as President) saying to George C. Scott (playing an american general) og Peter Bull (playing the russian ambassador): "Gentlemen, You can't fight in here - this is the war room!"

Because he doesn't exist. And Bane, or any other darth, does?

But that would totally ruin Goto by taking the one thing away that made him original. , then he is just another crimelord like any other. You'd kill the originality of the his character and the sci-fi aspects of his origin as a crimelord. But how many crimelords put themselves in the service of others? Goto was in the service of nobody, unless you mean the Republic. And even then, he "served" the Republic only according to his own interpretation of what was best for it, not what the Republic might see so itself. He did not serve the Exile. On the contrary, if you talk to him, he insists tha the Exile serves him, and that if the Exile doesn't do as orders, he will detonate killing Exile and everybody else aboard the Ebon Hawk along with him.

I find this derailment... distracting

But that would totally ruin Goto by taking the one thing away that made him original. , then he is just another crimelord like any other. You'd kill the originality of the his character and the sci-fi aspects of his origin as a crimelord.

Saw the classic war movie Battle of Britain on dvd today. It has actors like Michael Caine, Laurence Olivier and Christopher Plummer in it. A little biased perhaps, but I like it a lot, and I must say that given that the movie is from 1969, the footage of dogfights they managed to get in there is very impressive. The drama on the ground is moderate, but the desperation of the facing Hitler's Luftwaffe with the significantly outnumbered Royal Air Force does come across, so I'm not complaining.

Erm, GOTO had little choice, seeing as how the Exile had just exposed his entire organisation to the Hutts and caused the destruction of his yacht, which served as his base of operations. Yes I know, what I mean is that he stayed with you. Sure he was a broken crime lord with nothing afterward, but that doesn't give him any reason necessarily to follow the Exile on his/her quest. Well, he had analyzed the situation and realized that only a jedi or sith could hold the Republic together whether by inspirate if jedi or through fear, an iron fist and conquest if sith, so as he explains on his yacht and if you pick the right conversation paths on the Ebon Hawk, he did need the Exile to be the figurehead that served as a stablizing force in the Republic after Revan inconveniently left. And he stayed because he saw that as the only way to "control" the exile and not let things get out of control around him. So I do think sticking around on the Ebon Hawk made sense for him. More than Mandalore, anyway.

Good point I suppose they wanted to keep the mystery untill (if, maybe, possibly, DARE WE DREAM?!!) there's a KotOR 3. Well, TSL was planned to have a sequel even before it was released, but a layoff at LA before the game's release put KotOR3 in development hell, it seems... Hence it's now 3-4 years later and MMO rumors abound

Agreed. The plot is wonderful, but the storytelling of it takes a huge turn to the left just as you meet the masters on Dantooine and enter the endgame, meaning that the essential points about Kreia and Exile are not explained well the first time you play. The subsequent confrontations with Atris and Nihilus are done well enough, but that still leaves the Exile's special bond with the force somewhat unclear as well as Kreia's real goals. And Malachor V is one long, boring walk through the graphics and baddies all the way to Traya, who still doesn't manage to explain it all well. The plot is there - all the details you need to grasp it - but you won't catch on until you replace once or twice. As storytelling goes, that's not so good, especially in a CRPG like TSL, where the plot is the strongest point.

Erm, GOTO had little choice, seeing as how the Exile had just exposed his entire organisation to the Hutts and caused the destruction of his yacht, which served as his base of operations. Seeing as how T3's "backstory" in TSL speaks directly to what became of Revan, I'd say that, yes, it is indeed the point. T3 is the sly manipulator in TSL - he knows everything but says nothing. T3 knew what had become of Revan and where he had gone. Not even Kreia could claim that.

Thats what I happen to believe, considering Palpatine had to clone himself in order to not have the Dark Side completely annihilate his body and that be the end of him. Lol. Whether that was the reason for the cloning is still uncertain. ROTS sees him disfigured due to the fight with Windu. It's true that he says in Dark Empire that his body does not well sustain his power in the dark side. It's also stated that he has died many times before, but I believe that was later retconned, so that he had never "died" before ROTJ. That would make sense, though, if we assume he used the technology of Kaminoans, who needed decades to clone Jango Fett. According to what I read on wookieepedia, Palpatine was so strong with the dark side that he was granted great power at the cost of a rapidly decaying body. His clones fixed this making his one flaw not so flaw-like. Besides the fact that as a new clone he would have to re-learn a few things but it didn't take that long. Except Palpatine's cloning method is not quite like that. You'd think that an newly activated clone has only the experience and skills of the original at the time he "copied" himself. But it's not so in Palpatine's case, because he can transfer his lifeforce through the force and enter a new clone-body even lightyears away. That's how he can remember Luke's fight with Vader on Death Star II despite being killed there. It's also why it is a real threat, when he threatens Leia to enter and possess the body of her unborn child (Anakin Solo) in "Empire's End".

I agree. That was one of the good things about him - he was still a crimelord, he just turned out to have an origin pretty far away from what you might have suspected. It was also a little bolder in the "sci-fi'esque" genre than we usually see in Star Wars plot, which was nice and different.

Isn't that a contradiction in terms? Seriously, I agree with Sand - MMOs just don't appeal to me, since they have virtually no plot or character depth. I have tried a few, though fewer than Sand mentions. "MMO? Just say no!" But MMOs did give us the latest version of TIE Fighter. Too bad you have to pay $15/mo for TIE Fighter: Jump to Lightspeed Yeah, MMOney...

Isn't that a contradiction in terms? Seriously, I agree with Sand - MMOs just don't appeal to me, since they have virtually no plot or character depth. I have tried a few, though fewer than Sand mentions. "MMO? Just say no!"