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Sounds like you got lucky. Remember that TSL distributes loot randomly (and a bit too randomly IMHO). It does so to a "map" or "level" as it's loaded, so if you have the game saved at a point after the "map" is established, you should find the same treasure every time. To change it, you have to reload the entire "map" by restarting/reloading from a point from before it was entered. The only exceptions to this are the fixed items (like the jedi robes in the palace of Iziz on Onderon) and items created for a specific purpose (like the lightsabers you can claim by falsifying the testament of the dead salvagers on Dantooine). Btw, isn't there a fixed upgrade for T3 just as you get aboard Goto's yacht?

I don't think I cringed as such, but Bond is cold-hearted jerk in this movie who solves all his problems by killing people left and right. Not shaken or stirred, nor with with or charm. He is reduced to a brute with all the charm of a rhinoceros. And about as subtle too... There was humour in Quantum of Solace?!? I must have missed it... Oh wait, I think there was one scene where Mathis tries to reach his contacts while an annoying taxi-driver insists on rambling on incessantly. That it actually seemed amusing speaks volumes of how much humour there was in the rest of the film - I almost hear the director in the background saying, "ok, that's the comic relief over with. Shall we get on with it now?"

The point is that TSL establishes Revan on an mission to end the threat of the true Sith and ends with the exile joining his cause, thereby setting the stage for a subsequent plot where the Sith threat is finally dealt with. Can there be a KotOR3? Sure, but it cannot involve Revan and exile, because they're off fighting the true Sith, and we know that they will not succeed in ending that threat, because the Sith Empire they left to stop will attack and harm the Republic 300 years later. So the plot K2 establishes for K3 has been hijacked by SWtOR. That makes KotOR3 unlikely, because the true Sith cannot be the bad guys, and the Republic is shattered with the jedi order ruined after the events of TSL. You also cannot move far ahead in time, because that again brings you too close to the timeframe of SWtOR. Thus KotOR3 is quite dead. There can be a game, but it cannot be the KotOR3 that TSL set the stage for, and it'll be a bleak story, because the jedi order is in ruins and the sith cannot be involved. That doesn't give us many "Knights" to play with... You could make a story about rebuidling the Republic and the jedi order, but it's not very suitable for a Star Wars story, which tend to be stories about good vs. evil with clear heroes and villains. Or does anyone think "Star Wars - the Financial Crisis" will make for good escapism that people will flock to buy these days... No. KotOR is dead, I fear

Well, while Eva Green IS hot, Olga Kurylenko was also hot in Quantum of Solace. Hotter in Max Payne, though. Kurylenko and Green in a bod movie is an opportunity waiting to happen. And just to be safe we can hand the direction to Bertolucci. Yes, but let's add Monica Bellucci (hotter still) and hand the direction to Quentin Tarantino instead

That too will be in Team Gizka's restoration mod http://team-gizka.org/2005-04-03.html http://team-gizka.org/2005-04-18.html http://team-gizka.org/2007-04-03.html And for the full explanation (and total spoiler), check here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/HK-50_series_assassin_droid

No, or at least not quite as I think you're suggesting. Because it sounds to me that by "until Malachor" you're suggesting until the final battle on Malachor V when the Mandalorian fleet was destroyed and the Mandalorian Wars ended. But Revan was there before then. Note that this is takes place in 3963 BBY, three years before the Battle of Malachor V and then end of the Mandalorian Wars in 3960 BBY and a full seven years before the events of KotOR1 in 3956 BBY. From the above it is also clear that Revan had already turned to the dark side in 3963 BBY at his first visit til Malachor V. If by "Dark Revan" you mean Revan's Sith clothing, unlike the standard jedi robe, then remember that Revan wore those even before the end of the Mandalorian Wars. Our evidence is Juhani, who explains she was freed by Revan's jedi, when the pushed the Mandalorians out of Taris and the Exchange driven out, which - according to Wookieepedia's timeline - happened in 3961 BBY, a year before the end of the Mandalorian Wars. Juhani specifically mentions Revan's face-covering clothes, which is why she does not recognize him until his true identity is revealed during the game.

Well, while Eva Green IS hot, Olga Kurylenko was also hot in Quantum of Solace. Hotter in Max Payne, though.

Actually, I think both Geeda and Oondar (good and evil merchant on Nar Shaddaa respectively) can sell you the upgrade, though I still recommend Geeda. Remember to talk to them about better stuff, and they'll tell you it depends on trade routes, so offer to set up some new trade routes. Then return to tell them about having resolved stuff on other planets as you complete them. Eventually you can buy the pacifist upgrade from their list of equipment... but only if you NEVER told HK-47 to stop asking you if you want someone killed. If you did that, the option to install the upgrade does not appear due to a bug in the game.

As much as I love TSL, I'd agree with that, and I consider K1 a better game because TSL suffers horribly from the cut content. Is the story there? Yes, but you have to replay the everything from the meeting with the masters several times and pay very close attention to what they and Kreia tell you to make sense of it all. I disagree with those who say the game is fine as it is. It's one thing that the game is great until you reunite the masters on Dantooine and then takes a huge turn to the left, but the exile's force wound status and Kreia's cause to destroy the will of the force are not explained well enough, which hurts the plot. That the exile's companions disappear into thin air on Malachor V is also inexcusable. So while the plot is strong and interesting, the cut content means that it is told badly in key places, and some of the central parts - especially the meeting with the masters and the confrontation with Kreia at the end - could have done well with some enhanced or revised dialogue.

Personally I doubt Lucas has had anything to do with this decision. KotOR is a niche of Star Wars at best and exists only in the form of two computer games and a comic book of about 36 issues so far with characters and events finding their ways into guides and encyclopediae of the franchise. It's nowhere close to the level of exposure of the movies or tv cartoons. Lots of Star Wars fans probably have no idea who Revan is, let alone the exile. So no, I don't think Lucas is the problem. More likely the problem is the people George has working for him in Lucasarts who focus very exclusively on the profit margin. Because frankly, George has so much money, he doesn't have to care one whit about raking in even more money, whereas I'm sure there are those at both Lucasarts, EA, and Bioware who do. It's one reason I dislike the LA/EA/Bioware shotgun wedding - when there are more mouthes to feed, commercial success has a tendency to take precedence. Personally I wouldn't brand Lucas himself as a greedy, money-hungry guy. Star Wars has lots of merchandising, sure, but if he was only concerned about money, he never would have dropped the franchise after RotJ. It's practically unheard of that he was able to pick up the pieces and do the prequels a decade and half later in the cinema. That doesn't happen so often (unless we're talking remake). Lucas could probably have made a lot more money by letting other people do his prequels for him, but he insisted on doing it himself, because that was the vision he believed in. While I don't always agree with that vision, I have to respect him for that at least, even if I think there are too many aliens (and I absolutely HATE the Han/Greedo retcon!!!) Besides, if George really was the greedy git everybody says he is, then why should he care if KotOR is doing well? Then his reaction should been that it's great because it makes more cash for him. I doubt that. Besides, KotOR does not exist in a vacuum of its own, being heavily inspired by the Tales of the Jedi comic books that precede the games and chronicle the Great Sith War between the jedi and the sith forces of Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma. Other comic books have detailed the Great Hyperspace War when Naga Sadow's Sith Empire invaded the Republic. Palpatine has that depictions of that in his office in Episode III, so I don't think it's relevant to suggest Lucas wants to deny the parts of Star Wars lore that he didn't write himself, because he actually acknowledges the Great Hyperspace War here, and that was chronicled in the Fall of the Sith Empire comic books written by Kevin J. Anderson. Rant on - it's what we all do here at times

I don't blame you. I think at least half us went "WTF??" the first time we played through the ending. I know I did...

Greetings and welcome among the sizeable ranks of TSL-players who feel confused by the ending. Sadly you have been the victim of severe amounts of content that Lucasarts forced Obsidian to cut in order to have the game released in time for the christmas sale of 2004, when the game was first published. Suffice it to say that your party was supposed to attack Kreia on their own and be captured - - which is why the exile explores Malachor V alone. A modding group began the task of restoring the lost content, but to this day it still has to see release, though most of the work seems to be done - http://team-gizka.org/ I don't think I can explain much better than Team Gizka does, so read their words and check their progress reports, some of which contains YouTube videos with the cut content. Bao-Dur's fate is uncertain, but there is speculation that he was to die prior to the end of the game. However, the planet that he was allegedly supposed to be killed on - and I have no idea if the speculation of his death is true - was also cut from the game. It was supposed to be an entire planet of droids named M4-78. A fanmod aims to restore this stuff as well, though the plot content is mostly by the modder, since the planet was cut so early in development and its plots moved to other places that it's difficult to know what was originally intended for the planet. I don't think there is any mentioning of Bao-Dur in this mod, so his fate remains uncertain. If you like, you can find the mod here - http://knightsoftheoldrepublic.filefront.com/file/M478;89207 "The Sith Lords" or just TSL is one of the games most associated with suffering from cut content. For a critical view at this, see here: http://www.gamespy.com/articles/588/588057p1.html Presumably the "Death of the Ebon Hawk" was not to be taken as literally as it seemed. It fell, but maybe power was restored timely enough to prevent its complete destruction before it hit the bottom of the chasm. That's speculation, but it's difficult to see how else the ship could have survived a drop like that.

i'm kinda wary of those after reading a few Robert Ludlum books, and finding they all have pretty much the exact same plot... The movies are nothing like the books, only loosely inspired by them, since the books were originally cold war spy novels. Ludlum was fine with this, though, and supported and even produced the first of the Bourne movies with Matt Damon. Sadly he died before the movie was released.

This is at the heart of the problem because it depends on what you mean by the term Sith - do you mean the extremist dark side users or do you mean the origin of the name itself? The Sith was originally a species of its own, but - and this is where lots of fanon gets it wrong - that race was never a powerful group of dark side users. The Sith grew into the dark side users opposing the jedi order only after a group of dark jedi fallen from the jedi order turned on the order and were subsequently exiled after the Hundred Years Darkness. They came to Korriban around 6900 BBY, almost 2000 years before the KotOR games. The Sith species bowed to them and became their slaves. Hence "Dark Lord of the Sith". They intermarried and interbred with the Sith species until there were practically no pure sith species left. From this emerged the Sith Empire over the next millennia, until Naga Sadow became the dark lord in competition with Ludo Kressh around 5000 BBY. As leader Sadow attacked the Republic as revenge against the jedi. This was the Great Hyperspace War, which ended with the fall of the Sith Empire, as the Republic fought back when the feud between Kressh and Sadow left their empire open to a devastating attack from the Republic with the apparent fall of the empire as a result. Now it seems the empire survived for another millennia rebuilding its forces somehow. Not so sure about that. Korriban was found, yes - it's right there in the KotOR games, and the the Daragons found it. But it's unclear to which part of the Sith Empire the Republic fleet pursued Sadow during the war, since no name of a system is ever mention in the last "Fall of the Sith Empire" issue. According to Wookieepedia, the battle was indeed fought at Korriban (which makes sense, sense Gav Daragon would have those coordinates to give the Republic, having found his way there himself, while Sadow would not have given him other coordinates, seeing as how much he keeps him in the dark). Then again, Wookieepedia only gives "Tales of the Jedi: Fall of the Sith Empire #5" as the source, and I cannot find Korriban mentioned as the battleground in that issue... But while Korriban was undoubtedly "exposed" to the Republic, we don't know how much the Republic learned about other Sith worlds such as Ziost. Comparaing real world history and Star Wars history is always problematic, especially in this case, since the industrialisation and development of significant technology lies in that very period of real world history with all the consequent changes that came with it, such as airplanes changing the rules of war and what not. Compare to the 300 years prior in the real world - 1408 to 1708 - then compare to how different Star Wars looks in KotOR and then in the movies era, which is 4000 years later. Both have jedi and sith fighting for the galaxy, both have struggles between galactic institutions over entire star systems and worlds, both have fleets of capital ships locked in combat, and both have starfighters as integral parts of those. Sure, shields and weapons and other technology have evolved, but it's not so easy to spot if you compare KotOR1 to the original movies. The lightsabers and weapons look very similar, and just how different is the Ebon Hawk to the Millennium Falcon? Agreed, which is why we're unlikely to hear about Revan and Exile ever again now, except in some footnote of a story or as an obscure part of some other Star Wars lore. Right. An empire has a leader, or it isn't an empire. That is usually an emperor or empress. I think only the title "Dark Lord of the Sith" is used the "Golden Age of the Sith" and "Fall of the Sith Empire" comic books, but it doesn't matter since it serves the same pupose. "Lord of Rome" would have been fine for the Roman Empire, if they didn't like the term "emperor". Well, by the time TSL begins, he has already been gone for four years, and Kreia still tells us the "true" Sith are lurking out there and Revan left to fight them in his own way... So it's not as if he didn't have the time for that, if it was his plan. Precisely. Messing with people's perception of Revan is problematic. In fact, Revan will be a problem either way, because some insist on seeing him as LS, some as Darth Revan reborn, some as female, etc... Whatever you choose, someone will be miffed somewhere. In TSL they understood this so much that they made both Revan's gender and alignment completely optional and based on the player's chosen dialogue. True, but what they are thinking about probably i$n't plot, if I were to venture a gue$$. If they can rake in the dough by abandoning the $ingle-player CRPG completely for MMOney, then that'$ probably what they'll do. I wish I could agree with that, but the fact that the returning Sith Empire is the very "true Sith" that Revan left to fight means that TSL is very much at the heart of this new MMO. The "true" Sith entirely TSL's invention - there is no mentioning of it in KotOR1. EDIT: K3 was being planned before TSL was even released, but the plans were axed.

Thanks for the link! I haven't seen anything Bond prior to License to Kill, but it was interesting to hear his take on it as someone fresh to the series. Oh, and for the total "Quantum of Solace" Bond spoiler... And let me emphasize this: DO NOT READ THE FOLLOWING UNTIL AFTER YOU'VE SEEN QUANTUM OF SOLACE!!! You have been warned! http://www.latinoreview.com/news/final-sce...-of-solace-5666

Seeing as how the mysterious sith emperor is said to have extended his life, that is possible. If true, it would, however, also be incredibly lame and would certainly invalidate any and all choices you made in KotOR1. The FAQ says, "At the conclusion of the Jedi Civil War in KOTOR, Revan disappeared into unknown space in search of a great threat to the Republic, an expanding Sith Empire led by a mysterious Emperor who planned vengeance for his ancient Jedi enemies. Revan never returned from unknown space, but the Sith Empire did, kicking off a war with the Republic that lasted for decades." This leaves very little or actually no doubt at all as to who Kreia's mysterious "true Sith" are. Even if you want to attribute the term to some other sith, it is clear from the above that the sith attacking the Republic in SWtOR are the Sith Revan left to fight. That's the thing that annoys me so much about this. If it had been left ambiguous, that would have been one thing - sith come and go, and who's to say who those sith are who are now attacking the Republic. But this leaves no doubt - it's the Sith Revan left to stop, and he failed to do so. He may have slowed them down, but he didn't stop them, and they eventually did attack. It's always been my suspicion that Revan left to start a civil war within the true Sith ranks in order to cripple their efforts toward a military build-up prior to an invasion of the Republic. But it is clear now that is was only a delaying action. Could a plot be based on that? Sure, it could, but it would be a pretty bleak story, where the only victory Revan and possible the exile could achieve would be to postpone the inevitable. Ultimately their efforts are doomed to failure, so who would be excited about playing that? Well, I might, but it's not a Star Warsy-type of story, more like somethnig in Lovecraft's Cthulhu mythos or similar. Perhaps, but then neither is KotOR3. Unfortunately it does. Not because of the choice of doing an MMO, but because of the plot details they chose to base it on. Had Revan's fate and the origin of the sith empire in the plot been left ambiguous or undefined, it would have been a different matter, but the details LA and Bioware have chosen to give makes it very clear - this MMO is the closest thing to KotOR3 that we're going to get, so if we want to play KotOR3, then we have to play this game. Period. That's exactly what the point of giving out those details is. The plot itself doesn't need them. I know it's difficult to accept, and if you choose to live in denial, then that's your choice, but the way I see it there is no doubt at all - KotOR is dead, because LA and Bioware have chosen to ritually sacrifice it as a marketing tactic toward making fans of the franchise understand that this is the next chapter. Just look at the press release, if you have any doubt - http://www.swtor.com/news/article/press-release-001 "Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic is the most critically acclaimed Star Wars game in LucasArts history and a preeminent example of our company

I'm pretty sure they can be ordered online, if you're interested enough to try that. Didn't someone post a link to an online comic story that sold them a while back?

Personally I think there's a big difference between not being able to move on after a story is finished and feeling betrayed when a story ending with a sort-of cliffhanger never has a sequel. The way TSL ends, not doing KotOR3 is like doing having "Empire Strikes Back" or even "Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest" end, then jump a few hundred years ahead and pick up the pieces. For example, there's going to be a fourth Jason Bourne movie as well as a fourth Pirates of the Caribbean movie, but while I love both of those franchises, I'd have been fine not seeing a fourth installment of either because the stories are complete as they are now.

1. 300 years later = Revan and Exile dead. 2. From the FAQ - http://www.swtor.com/info/faq#356 This means that there can never be a KotOR3 where Revan and Exile resolve the threat of the True Sith, because we're now 300 years later, meaning they've both long since died of old age, yet here are the same Sith that Revan left to fight, and they threaten the Republic. Hence Revan failed, and the game is based on the plot basis established for Revan during TSL. Or to put it differently: Which, judging from the above, is exactly what they did. Same plot, it's the true Sith and Revan never returned. That's it, KotOR closed. If they have thought of an original plot, I wouldn't have a problem with this, but they didn't - they hijacked the KotOR3 plot established at the end of TSL. Besides, also from the FAQ: Yup, we'll be seeing droids from KotOR as well, probably T3 and HK-47, and our characters from KotOR will be "relevant" through their various descendants. That's the nod to saying "Yes, this is as much KotOR as you're going to get - KotOR is now this. Get with the program - it's this way or the highway." Personally I've already chosen the latter.

I agree. Quantum of Solace disappointed, which is surprising after the excellent Casino Royale. Gone is Bond's finesse and elegance, and the dialogue is virtually non-existant. Casino Royale was a return to the origins of a good spy-novel. Quantum of Solace was just endless action scenes too reminiscent of the latter two Bourne movies, but not as good. Note how the carchases now have totally smashed up cars, just as in Bourne Supremacy and Bourne Ultimatum, have chasing over rooftops while jumping streets and into people's houses, just as in Bourne Ultimatum, how Bond has a quiet final confrontation with something painful from his past in a snowcovered Russia, just as in Bourne Ultimatum, and how Forster uses an unsteady or handheld camera to evoke confusion in the action scenes, just as Greengrass did in Bourne Supremacy and Bourne Ultimatum (except it works for Greengrass - I couldn't tell for long minutes who Bond was chasing after he and M tries to question Mr. White). Add to that how thin the plot actually is, and how Craig's Bond is just hard and cold with no emotions, unlike Damon's Bourne, who feels disgust with his own actions at every turn. Not that I dislike Craig. He's still a good Bond. But this Bond was without humor, finesse, elegance, or dry wit and remarks to match, leaving us with only hard, cold and bitter brute on a killing spree, who leaves bodies left and right, because god-mode has been enabled and Bond cannot lose a fight. A sadly far cry from Casino Royale.

We're not on Wookieepedia, my friend. This is what I think we were supposed to conclude. You have a right to your opinion, but that's the point - since we cannot establish as a matter of fact that Kreia arrived on the Ebon Hawk, you have have no basis for that conclusion and it remains speculative. That we're not on Wookieepedia, is precisely why I've quoted from the game consistently (though I don't see the connection - even Wookieepedia don't allow fan speculation on the pages). Who, Atton? When she says that, there is only you, her, Atton and T3, the only possible "we" is she and T3. So does that mean she must mean T3 out of all beings in the universe? No, she doesn't mean Atton, because we know he didn't arrive at that time. Some have suggested Atton might be the "contact" Coorta mentions coming to pick up the exile in order to sell the "last jedi" to the Exchange. Not an impossible thesis, though there is obviously no support for it at all. But with Kreia's noted disgust with droids or "machines", as she calls them, I sincerely doubt she would use the word "us" to describe T3 and herself. Besides, we know from the Harbinger holologs that there were bodies on the Ebon Hawk when it was found, so if Kreia was indeed on the ship, it's far more likely those people (whoever there) are who she was referring to. But I doubt she arrived on the Ebon Hawk. There is no evidence of it except her own statements, which seem to not quite fit with what we otherwise know of the ship before it was brought aboard the Harbinger.

I didn't get you. You mean they had to make sure by cutting her head off? I assumed things on the Harbinger happened the same as on Peragus: she was in the morgue, then awakened. By then the Harbinger had been crippled, but she found the Exile and T3 and escaped the Sith, who fired on the Ebon Hawk as they made the jump to hyperspace. It's a possible scenario, but it cannot be established Kreia arrived on the Ebon Hawk, and so we cannot know and any scenario must by defintion be an interpretation based on our observations and conclusions. I don't think it's possible, because she says she was with T3 when they boarded the Harbinger, and T3 was on the Ebon Hawk. She speaks plural, and T3 acknowledges that. Actually, she says, "When we intercepted the Harbinger, it was crippled, drifting in space. It was a simple matter to board the vessel and rescue you." She does not mention T3, which means she could be speaking of someone else, and T3's bleeps are not translated or interpreted to confirm what she says in that cutscene. HK-50 also does not say there were any survivors on the Ebon Hawk, so no help there.

I agree with the statement that Kreia could not have presented herself as such. But since you conclude that, I take it you acknowledge that the Harbinger crew did not find and assume her dead only to have her suddenly revive. And then there's her line, "When we intercepted the Harbinger, it was crippled, drifting in space. It was a simple matter to board the vessel and rescue you." Now, I understand that you interpret that to mean that she came from the Ebon Hawk, but do you acknowledge the possibility that I can be interpreted in another way and that she arrived some other way. I'm not saying that she definitely did not arrive on the Ebon Hawk, just that we don't actually know and that another way for Kreia to enter the scene is thus possible. And yes, there were dead bodies on the Ebon Hawk, only we don't know who they were, because it's never explained in the game. We can't even tell from the tutorial, since the bodies on the Ebon Hawk were probably moved to the infirmary for autopsies on the Harbinger, and the bodies on the Ebon Hawk (except for Kreia's) in the tutorial is more likely those of survivors from the Harbinger trying to flee the Sith assassins only to be killed when Sion fired upon the escaping ship.