Jediphile

Okay...

Agreed - let us see Alderaan

Oh, good :D

The picture on the title page always displays a sith lord, which can even be the Exile, if you're playing DS. Atris was supposed to be the alternate "Darth Traya" (note Kreia's comment about how there must always be a Darth Traya), but it's not really cut content as much as a dropped idea. Among all the unused dialogue and voice files that can be extracted from the game, the material for an Atris-turned-Traya is extremely limited and lacking, suggesting that the idea was dropped at an early point. Yes, there are alternatie voice-files for the cut confrontation between your companions and Traya, where Atris is Traya instead of Kreia, but they are still fairly limited. Many, many of the Traya voice files are for Kreia alone and not Atris. At one point you were even supposed to redeem either Kreia or Atris on Telos and be able to add her to your party as a companion. There are a still a few files in there for a playable Atris as a companion, but that idea was also dropped, before it made it into a playable version, so I suppose Obsidian decided that even if Atris would turn to the DS, it still didn't make much sense for her to take over all of Kreia's goals and become Traya in the way Kreia intended to be. I tend to agree with that assessment, though I would still have liked Atris to be a playable companion instead.

True, but I actually disagree with him. K2 is a stronger plot with a male LS Exile IMHO. The Handmaiden, her "betrayal", the significance of Arren Kae, Atris' feelings for the Exile and her fall to the dark side... All of that is far more interesting to me than the Disciple is - to me the LS female plot just isn't as strong.

It depends entirely on how it's done. If it's side-quests like in K1 and K2, then fine, but some people give me the impression they want a bounty hunter game, which I don't. I want K3 to be a resolution to the plot we've seen develop over the last two games. Closure for Revan and Exile is a must, and so they must be central to the plot, even if they don't participate much.

Not sure, but one seems to be Hoth...

That wasn't the only time, though. I recall finding some hologram or something on Taris, that even mentions the Organas of Alderaan. Wow - that means the Organas have been among the Alderaan elite for more than 4000 years... As for fitting in, that all depends on how the plot unfolds. My suggestion was to use it precisely for that reaosn - a presumed safe haven that turned out to be not quite so safe...

I don't know... Bounty-hunting doesn't seem particularly well suited to a plot-driven game, somehow. And whatever K3 becomes (if it becomes anything), I want primary focus to be on the plot and the characterization of the main characters. Everything else is secondary to that IMHO.

Most of what we know of Sleheyron comes from what David Gaider says in the topic I mentioned before. Still, I would also advice checking out Wookieepedia EDIT: Anyway, talk about Sleheyron is severely off-topic. This thread was supposed to be about Tatooine. Sleheyron has been discussed before, so look here first.

Yoda is a Jawa. The reason why the rest of them are all covered is that they are tired of having Sith lords seeking them out and killing them just to make a name for themselves...

Just looked around for images of Sleheyron for a few minutes. The links should be recognizable.

Kreia tells that to Atris in KotOR 2 IIRC. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes. She says it to Atris during the cutscene, when she goes to confront her on Telos.

Her ultimate goal was to destroy the force itself, no matter whether others agreed with her or suffered as a consequence. That makes it an evil act, and she is perfectly willing to manipulate and deceive others to reach her goals. But she knew that she could not achieve this goal alone, because only the Exile had the power to destroy the force. So in the end, her own life was not important to her overall goal, and she was willing to sacrifice it in her attempt to bring the Exile to a point, where he would destroy the force for hating it as much as she did. As for being a sith, note the title of the game - the Sith Lords - it's actually quite revealing - the entire game is a bitter feud among the Sith Lords for who is in control. And Kreia did not "stop" being a Sith in the sense that she moved on and was redeemed. No, Nihilus and Sion kicked her out. That doesn't exactly suggest that she suddenly then decided to go and redeem herself instead. Indeed, a primary motivation for is to get revenge against her defiant apprentices, which is scarcely the jedi way. So because she sees no truth in the force, that means there is none? I dare say most of the jedi masters would disagree with her. Sure, they could be wrong, but it's still not for her alone to say whether there is truth in the force - it's a question every individual must answer for himself. And who is she to pass judgment on all of the force itself? And her "sharing" of knowledge is - as far as I can tell - nothing more than pure manipulation, since everything she says is so filled with half-truths and deceit that you really cannot take her at her word.

The question mark at the end of the second line kind of ruined it for me. <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Another picture, which seem to be from Sleheyron: Oh, and check this out as well.

Why is chatting about a game we care about an indication that we have too much time on your hands? We at least have an interest, whereas the critics have the time to comment on things they say they don't care about... As Obi-Wan would say, "Who's the more foolish - the fool, or the fool who follows him?"

I agree that it was better to do as it was done. He had a very Yoda-like voice, but was noticeably different from Yoda at the same time exactly because he didn't talk "backwards" like Yoda did. If he had, he would have been a very forgettable Yoda-clone, whom we would all have done our best to ignore. Instead he became more original, while still having obvious ties to Yoda.

There is one right here:

So do I - he's a rock - but the show seems to kill of those characters first... Agreed - the look on Chloe's face was priceless Still, I'm sort of hoping they won't go much further with that - it's a bit boring.

true, except it doesn't work that way in Star Wars. In this franchise, there is very little in the way of technological advancement. technology is more or less a constant. the Death Star, of course, is an exception. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually, I don't think so. For example, we see fairly limited amounts of starfighter combat, which is probably because Lucas didn't want to give the impression that the technology of the past was more advanced than in the original trilogy. The star destroyers (particularly the huge ones like the Executor or Eclipse) are another obvious sign of this - the Republic had nothing like this, and even those we see in toward the end of the prequels are babies compared the real star destroyers. The starfighters are frequently also obvious "retro"-versions of those in the original trilogy. For example, Obi-Wan's starfighter in Ep. II looks like a cross between an A-Wing and the form of a star destroyer, Obi-Wan's and Anakin's starfighters in Ep. III looks like early TIE Fighters, and their support fighters like very early and poor X-Wings. This is even true in the KotOR era. Try looking at the ships in the Tales of the Jedi comics, and you'll note that some of them have a distinct "ancient" look compared to the slick design of the original trilogy. For example the Nebulon Ranger, which looks far more like a "piece of junk" than the Millennium Falcon ever could, or the Colossus Wasps. Or you could go back another 1000 years and see how ancient Naga Sadow's fleet looked, complete with its floating eyeball... It's only the KotOR games that messes this up.

I know, but there is a lot of confusion about it. I speculate that some this was going to be left open for K3, but if that was the case, then that point was lost as well among all the other cut content...

That was just the standard issue Imperial Blaster Rifle. For Jedi it would maybe be all right to use Stasis to capture your targets. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> All the weapons of Boba Fett and anyone from the movies is 4000 years after KotOR. It's not unreasonable to except the technology to have advanced in between, and that it is therefore more limited in KotOR games.

Whether it's rediculous is subjective. I don't even think that Jolee thought it was, he just thought that the order applied it unjustly, which meant that they were too soft on him. That's why he left. Because what was the use of the code, if they were going to overrule it in certain cases but not others anyway? He lost his faith in the system after that. Kreia hates the code, however, and she finds that the jedi are flawed for their blind trust in the force. She's not grey, however. Sith are not grey, and she was a sith in her heart all along. The "grey" part of her was just a facade.