illegal immigration is actually a boon for the US, but no politician could ever admit it. illegals do jobs no american will do and they lower inflation in the process. illegals pay taxes without drawing on entitlements. illegals commit less crime than natural born citizens. etc. in 10 years when china is f'd 'cause o' their self-made population apocalypse, they is gonna need millions o' indian foreign workers if they don't wanna see their economy implode. most o' europe as well as japan and korea is facing similar issues but is gonna take a bit longer for the impacts to hit home-- not enough workers or consumers and an aging population bleeding a nation dry is a problem you address ten years ago. is a problem the US suffers from to a far less degree 'cause? illegal immigration. our population and birth rate ain't been dropping the same as most o' the eu... and far less severe than japan. and again, china is already complete f'd. the US never could have gotten increased birth rates, low-pay labor and an increased consumer base in the numbers needed through legal immigration. like it or not, and in spite o' some real short-term costs, illegal immigration is arguably one o' the USA's greatest advantages.
however, illegal immigration is illegal... even if it ain't criminal. we pass laws through representative democratic process and it not matter if those laws is wise when we decide whether they is legal. being in the US undocumented, like were the case for elon musk, is illegal, and there is statutory punishments for such infractions. that said, there is a reason illegals do not get criminal trials for their deportations and it ain't cause they is non-citizens. illegal border crossing or overstaying a visa is a petty infraction, akin to a speeding ticket. 'cause the punishment don't include loss of liberty (imprisonment,) deportation proceedings fail to trigger sixth amendment protections... though try and explain to us how sending people to cecot avoids such; we dare anybody to try and explain. regardless, arresting those suspected o' illegal immigration is not illegal. the current ice efforts is clear designed to provoke and inflame, but the arrests themselves...
maybe what ice is doing is wrong, but it ain't illegal.
trump sending troops to california is illegal and wrong.
btw, the government lies and misleads. a 413% increase in assault o' ice agents? why not say what were the assaults and how many were assaulted? notice the government didn't claim any ice agents were seriously injured yes? if a child grabs the sleeve o' an ice agent while the agent is arresting the child's parent, that counts as an assault. if a citizen husband attempts to embrace his undocumented wife while she is being arrested and he happens to touch an ice agent in the process, that is an assault. and btw, if there were a 500% increase in la ice arrests over the course o' the past week, then how much would you expect assaults on ice agents to increase over the same period if all other factors remained constant?
of the 118 undocumented rounded up by ice at the time o' their press release, only five were gang members, and am gonna remind people that being a gang member is not in and of itself illegal. please note that a handful o' crimes committed by those apprehended by ice is listed, but nowhere does it mention how many people had criminal records. one? why not say the number of criminals unless it is a comical small number?
so yeah, this ice operation were performative and likely meant to help with trump's sagging poll numbers, 'cause the truth o' the matter is that trump's base, and many other americans, approve o' bad things happening to the undocumented. however, what ice did, rounding up undocumented individuals, were not illegal.
the thing is, if more democrats had gotten off their asses and voted in 2024, we wouldn't be in this situation in 2025, so am actual a bit less sympathetic than you might suspect.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/exploring-why-more-latinos-voted-for-trump-and-what-it-means-for-future-elections
Geoff Bennett:
There are people of faith who would wonder how you are able to look beyond Donald Trump's moral character, the felony convictions, the divisive rhetoric and cast your vote in support.
Rev. Samuel Rodriguez:
It's a legitimate question and something we have to discuss.
And I put that right next to abortion demand without any restrictions, even in the late term, late-term abortion here versus character, tweets, rhetoric, personality and bravado. So I have to measure this. I have to measure government coming and intruding in how I raise my children versus character, rhetoric, tweets and bravado.
So we measured it. Latinos measured it and went like — and many Latinos went, like, man, we don't like the guy. Many Latinos say, we don't like the guy, but his policies were amazing and his policies lined up with what I believe. And the Democratic Party sounds good, but the policies are counterintuitive to who I am as a Latino and as a Christian.
Now, there may be, there may be an opportunity here. Let me explain. The policy of mass deportations, that policy is — it is controversial. I don't deny it. And what our understanding is mass deportations will take place regarding targeting primarily criminals, those that are involved in the terrorist activities.
(Crosstalk)
Geoff Bennett:
Potentially, but the scale of what the Trump campaign has promised would likely extend beyond those undocumented immigrants who have committed violent crimes.
So the question is, what does that mean for Latinos who live in mixed-status families or who are here legally, but are profiled and caught up in what could be this mass deportation effort?
Rev. Samuel Rodriguez:
Now, I could tell you right here to your audience, I would be the first one vociferously protesting if the administration comes after families that have been here 20, 25, 30 years, 15 years, God-fearing, hardworking, not living off government subsidies, whose children were born here.
I will be the first one protesting, because that's not my understanding. And I can't disclose my conversations with the president-elect's team, but I can tell you that there have been multiple assurances from very powerful individuals to yours truly directly, regarding the targeted audiences. And we're talking about those involved in nefarious activities.
So my understanding is that good, God-fearing, hardworking families that have been here for years, for years and are not living off government subsidies and whose children were born here, these families will not be targeted. I hope and pray that they adhere to — adhere to what they conveyed with yours truly regarding the mass deportation efforts.
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at least on twitter, we don't see mr. rodriguez's promised protests. a quick search reveals no news articles where he complains he were misled. nothing.
most o' the protesters ain't complaining about the Constitutional issue which worries Gromnir. we know trump sent troops with the intent o' provoking a greater response and we see this move as yet another step towards overt authoritarianism, but that ain't what has people in the streets of la.
ultimately, people are protesting 'cause when trump said he were gonna do mass deportations, not enough americans listened or believed.
we dislike trump and his policies, but the folks we blame most for our current situation is all the democrats and independents who didn't vote, or who voted for trump 'cause o' the price of eggs, trans athletes and vaccine mandates... mandates which were imposed at the state and local level for chrissakes.
Stephen Miller has set his sights on new targets to find undocumented migrants: Home Depot and 7-Eleven
so ice goes out and legal does the bidding o' stephen miller who is implementing the policy goals trump promised during his campaign. for those only motivated to protest now, we got less sympathy.
but again, sending troops to california is actual a different issue for us than the ice roundups. trump is clear exceeding authority granted to him by the Constitution, unless scotus once again goes ahead and invents a new trump authority which did not exist for the past 238 years.
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