The Political Quinceañera Thread

[Orogun01]

 

 

I have a hard time believing Paul Ryan would tweet that out. That would be tremendously tone deaf. $1.50 a week is a pittance.

Mate, if you work on retail or a Supermarket 1.50 is a heck of a raise. They will look for every reason on your performance to not give you a raise and the closer you get to the max hourly rate is less the amounts of a raise. They even stop right before it gets to the limit.

 

A ~$6.50/month raise is a pittance by anyone's standards.

 

A $1.50/hour raise is decent by most people's standards, as that works out to about ~$3000/year for a full time employee, vs the $78/year raise $1.50/week gets you.

 

That said, $1.50/week is likely a typo/mistake. An extreme few number of places, if any, are going to give someone a raise that amounts to a few cents an hour.

 

50 plus years ago a few cent raise would have meant something. In the world in which we now live, not so much.

 

And THAT said. I bought 2 bananas for $.22 tonight. That very well might be the first time since the last millennium that my total at a counter was less than a dollar.

 

Why would you waste gas just to buy 2 bananas? That seems a little...you know

bananas

 

[Valsuelm]

 

 

 

I have a hard time believing Paul Ryan would tweet that out. That would be tremendously tone deaf. $1.50 a week is a pittance.

Mate, if you work on retail or a Supermarket 1.50 is a heck of a raise. They will look for every reason on your performance to not give you a raise and the closer you get to the max hourly rate is less the amounts of a raise. They even stop right before it gets to the limit.

 

A ~$6.50/month raise is a pittance by anyone's standards.

 

A $1.50/hour raise is decent by most people's standards, as that works out to about ~$3000/year for a full time employee, vs the $78/year raise $1.50/week gets you.

 

That said, $1.50/week is likely a typo/mistake. An extreme few number of places, if any, are going to give someone a raise that amounts to a few cents an hour.

 

50 plus years ago a few cent raise would have meant something. In the world in which we now live, not so much.

 

And THAT said. I bought 2 bananas for $.22 tonight. That very well might be the first time since the last millennium that my total at a counter was less than a dollar.

 

Why would you waste gas just to buy 2 bananas? That seems a little...you know

bananas

 

 

Driving the extra ~120ft into and out of the parking lot of the store on my way home no doubt pumped the actual cost of my bananas a little higher. Totally worth it though..

 

 

Oh I miss the days when putting a quarter into my gas tank actually took me a few miles. (Yes... I was once a poor college student, and a gallon of gas also once cost less than a $1 in my adult lifetime).

Edited February 7, 2018 by Valsuelm

[Malcador]

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/372634-pentagon-planning-grand-military-parade-for-trump-report

 

Always a lark to see politicians embrace the military so.

[Hurlshort]

If it was a typo, the boast that they could afford a Costco membership wouldn't make sense. I would say a hack or a lousu aide makes more sense.

[Guard Dog]

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/372634-pentagon-planning-grand-military-parade-for-trump-report

 

Always a lark to see politicians embrace the military so.

Sounds like something I'd have tried to think of a way to get out of in my day.

[injurai]

I'm not pro Polish at all- for all their whining about being stabbed in the back they stabbed Lithuania and the Czechs in the back beforehand, unapologetically- but Poland simply did not build death camps. Death Camps means Birkenau or Treblinka type camps which were constructed to specifically kill people, not a concentration or POW camp where people died from neglect, and as bad as that is in itself. You'd have a hard time finding major countries that haven't used concentration/ pow camps with high death rates.

 

And to be fair to Poland you'd go a very long way to find a country that cooperated less with the Nazis than them- maybe Russia proper and Byelorus and that's it. Even the Serbs had incidents with their Cetnik resistances helping Germans. Using the term 'Polish Death Camps' just because the Germans happened to build them at Oswiecim etc would be pretty irksome. I suspect if Germany decided that Guernsey/ Aldenay/ Sark/ Jersey should have death camps instead we would not talk about English Death Camps, for example.

 

Stupid way to tackle the issue though, no doubt about it.

 

With Germany's perpetual self-flagellation over the whole ordeal, you'd think they'd would defend against such insidious accusations against Poland. It's not like modern German's actually feel guilt for what happened, just for not being the vanguard of progress. Maybe things are changing though...

[HoonDing]

Best Korea has the best parades.

[Guard Dog]

Just one last thought on this absurd "military parade" that Trump thinks will 'honor" the troops. An event like that causes an incredible amount of stress. First of all There will be uniform inspections. Many, many of them. Then any hardware that will be displayed will bee cleaned and serviced beyond operational norm. It will be to IG level. Then there is the weeks of drill practice for the event itself. This will mean hours  and hours of work over and above normal operations. It will mean weeks of stress and no sleep. Then on the day of the event it will mean assembling in dress uniform (maybe Charlies or Bravos if they are lucky, Alphas or Dress Blues if they are not) hours before the event. Standing for hours at Parade Rest waiting for this BS to kick off. The the dog and pony show itself, quick step in formation for a mile or two in uncomfortable shoes, and at the end they get to take everything back and clean it all again.

 

If you want to do something to "honor" the military try doing something that will not make their already hi stress job more stressful. Giving everyone a day off would be the way I'd go. Appropriate money for each unit to have a party or something.

[Malcador]

Just one last thought on this absurd "military parade" that Trump thinks will 'honor" the troops. An event like that causes an incredible amount of stress. First of all There will be uniform inspections. Many, many of them. Then any hardware that will be displayed will bee cleaned and serviced beyond operational norm. It will be to IG level. Then there is the weeks of drill practice for the event itself. This will mean hours  and hours of work over and above normal operations. It will mean weeks of stress and no sleep. Then on the day of the event it will mean assembling in dress uniform (maybe Charlies or Bravos if they are lucky, Alphas or Dress Blues if they are not) hours before the event. Standing for hours at Parade Rest waiting for this BS to kick off. The the dog and pony show itself, quick step in formation for a mile or two in uncomfortable shoes, and at the end they get to take everything back and clean it all again.

 

If you want to do something to "honor" the military try doing something that will not make their already hi stress job more stressful. Giving everyone a day off would be the way I'd go. Appropriate money for each unit to have a party or something.

 

Also think of the damage to the roads the tank treads will do.  

[redneckdevil]

I dunno, because of ROTC I figured the military was doing lots of marches/parades since that's what we mainly did in classes lol.

 

There ya go, let local ROTC do his parades and let our military focus on important **** instead.

[Guard Dog]

It happens but it's considered a s--t detail most guys try to get out of. For all of the aforementioned reasons.

[smjjames]

 

 

 

I think an important question is to determine what “polish death camps” means. I might as well argue it refers to any polish death camp, not just the ones which the Nazis build. And honestly, that doesn’t seem like too far of a cry. Laws can be changed easily.

 

And Poland did build some actual death camps. Tuchola (?) during the Polish-Soviet war comes to mind. I believe a rather large number of Soviet soldiers died there, something around the 16.000. Furthermore, the polish did their fair share of backing the white terror with its anti-Jewish character earlier in the same century. That happened mostly in Russia and the Ukraine; but the point is, that this law can easily be modified to disable citizens from discussing events such as these.

Did you equaled an epidemic in prison with Nazi death camps? You did, didn't you?

Is that something you picked in school or read some low quality website?

no, I pointed out the issues with making “polish death camp” a legal term. I don’t seem to deny, dismiss or relativise the Holocaust. But we are in a discussion about a law. And if we are doing that, I think it is perfectly reasonable to consider just how much history can or could be denied when forbidding the term “polish death camp”. Essentially, I was talking about terminology. Granted though, I should’ve made that clearer. I’m sorry if I confused anyone.

 

Well the term isn't specifically mentioned in the law. It's just an example used by the media and legislators. The law is penalizing false statements that Poland was collaborating with Nazi Germany and was involved in Holocaust. 

 

 

There were certainly people who did collaborate or cooperate willingly, but I suppose the law is aimed at statements saying that the government at the time was?

[Agiel]

 

If you want to do something to "honor" the military try doing something that will not make their already hi stress job more stressful. Giving everyone a day off would be the way I'd go. Appropriate money for each unit to have a party or something.

 

Or spend the ~$50 million a parade might cost on PTSD treatment and veteran care. If he wanted to see hardware on display he could just go on down to MCAS Miramar to see the air show or to San Francisco for Fleet Week.

 

Something tells me he'd be at least a little disappointed if this thing does come to pass that the US doesn't employ TEL vehicles with phallic-looking missiles mounted on them like Russia does anymore:

 

 

Hey, might explain that utterly inane Nuclear Posture Review they put out recently.

Edited February 7, 2018 by Agiel

[Malcador]

Nah, France was the last thing he saw, so he'll want it to be better than the Bastille Day parade.

[smjjames]

'better than the bastille day parade' would be NK and former Soviet Russia tier displays of 'military might'.

[Malcador]

'better than the bastille day parade' would be NK and former Soviet Russia tier displays of 'military might'.

 

Maybe, but as he has France on the brain, just doubting he'll be looking at Russian parades with ICBM launchers.  I guess all Mattis et al. have to do is maybe wait a month or two before the plan's forgotten about.

[Gfted1]

I wish we would have developed the LGM-118 Peacekeeper Rail Garrison. Its a damn shame we kept the Minuteman III and deactivated these.

[Zoraptor]

 

'better than the bastille day parade' would be NK and former Soviet Russia tier displays of 'military might'.

 

Maybe, but as he has France on the brain, just doubting he'll be looking at Russian parades with ICBM launchers.  I guess all Mattis et al. have to do is maybe wait a month or two before the plan's forgotten about.

 

 

Grand Military Parades seems like exactly the sort of meaningless pantomimery Trump wouldn't forget about to me. It's a great way to shout your own importance from the rooftops and would appeal to the typical Trump voter who wants the US to shout its importance from rooftops.

 

And of course you can accuse detractors of being against the troops and anyone who doesn't clap of being traitors as well, another added bonus.

[Valsuelm]

 

 

'better than the bastille day parade' would be NK and former Soviet Russia tier displays of 'military might'.

 

Maybe, but as he has France on the brain, just doubting he'll be looking at Russian parades with ICBM launchers.  I guess all Mattis et al. have to do is maybe wait a month or two before the plan's forgotten about.

 

 

Grand Military Parades seems like exactly the sort of meaningless pantomimery Trump wouldn't forget about to me. It's a great way to shout your own importance from the rooftops and would appeal to the typical Trump voter who wants the US to shout its importance from rooftops.

 

And of course you can accuse detractors of being against the troops and anyone who doesn't clap of being traitors as well, another added bonus.

 

The average U.S. voter of pretty much any candidate, couldn't care less about parades, nor are they interested in shouting the importance of the U.S. to the world.

 

On top of that, the latter is especially true of a great many Trump voters, who voted for him largely based on his put the people of the U.S.A first rhetoric. Not his, 'USA is #1 in the world!' rhetoric.

[injurai]

Trump just wants to play in a sand box.

[Guard Dog]

Because ignorance and tribalism are funny:

 

https://youtu.be/W7C6kH-LbpI

[pmp10]

 

 

 

 

 

I think an important question is to determine what “polish death camps” means. I might as well argue it refers to any polish death camp, not just the ones which the Nazis build. And honestly, that doesn’t seem like too far of a cry. Laws can be changed easily.

 

And Poland did build some actual death camps. Tuchola (?) during the Polish-Soviet war comes to mind. I believe a rather large number of Soviet soldiers died there, something around the 16.000. Furthermore, the polish did their fair share of backing the white terror with its anti-Jewish character earlier in the same century. That happened mostly in Russia and the Ukraine; but the point is, that this law can easily be modified to disable citizens from discussing events such as these.

Did you equaled an epidemic in prison with Nazi death camps? You did, didn't you?

Is that something you picked in school or read some low quality website?

 

no, I pointed out the issues with making “polish death camp” a legal term. I don’t seem to deny, dismiss or relativise the Holocaust. But we are in a discussion about a law. And if we are doing that, I think it is perfectly reasonable to consider just how much history can or could be denied when forbidding the term “polish death camp”. Essentially, I was talking about terminology. Granted though, I should’ve made that clearer. I’m sorry if I confused anyone.

 

Well the term isn't specifically mentioned in the law. It's just an example used by the media and legislators. The law is penalizing false statements that Poland was collaborating with Nazi Germany and was involved in Holocaust.

 

There were certainly people who did collaborate or cooperate willingly, but I suppose the law is aimed at statements saying that the government at the time was?

 

That's right.

Of course there were such people. And they were trialed by the Polish undergroud. We were maybe the only country to do that in WWII.

 

Depending on your definition of collaboration, 'such people' could number in the millions.

Poland swept plenty of ugly history under the rug and the last thing we need is to start rewriting it.

[ShadySands]

I still fail to see how this law improves the international Polish image or prevents anyone other than Poles (especially Israel, as mentioned by Sharp_One, who I thought had good relations with Poland) from saying these things.

 

Am I missing something here?

[Gfted1]

Was it supposed to have some international impact? Germans cant even think the word "nazi" without going to jail but nobody outside of Germany cares. 

[ShadySands]

Sharp_one said it prevents Israel from blaming Poland for the Holocaust a couple of pages ago. I'll see if I can find the exact quote. Found it
 

 

 

 

L0L LOGIC. Does this to 'protect' international reputation... yet the act of doing this hurts said rep. BRILLIANT.

I like that excuse, let's protect our international reputation by limiting what our own citizens can say

 

 
not that I agree with any censorship, but most EU states have some hate speech laws, not sure how this one is different

 

 
It prevent's Israel from blaming Poland for Holocaust.
They even started to exonerate AH:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/netanyahu-absolves-hitler-of-guilt-1.5411578

 

Edited February 8, 2018 by ShadySands