Malcador Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Spicer's out. He must be so relieved Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Gfted1 Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 He resigned because he didn't like who Trump picked to be his boss. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Gorgon Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 And he was kinda terrible at it. I mean, it can't really have passed everyone at the whitehouse by either. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all.
Agiel Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Excerpt from WaPo piece detailing Trump's legal travails: I suppose his lashing out at Mueller of late is an indication that he knows he's in deep doodoo. Prepare for disappointment. Disappointment that a new low has been reached by the man? I somehow doubt that. Everything that has happened thus far is consistent to the opinion of the man my family and I have developed over the ~30 years we had to hear about him in the news. 1 Quote “Political philosophers have often pointed out that in wartime, the citizen, the male citizen at least, loses one of his most basic rights, his right to life; and this has been true ever since the French Revolution and the invention of conscription, now an almost universally accepted principle. But these same philosophers have rarely noted that the citizen in question simultaneously loses another right, one just as basic and perhaps even more vital for his conception of himself as a civilized human being: the right not to kill.” -Jonathan Littell <<Les Bienveillantes>> Quote "The chancellor, the late chancellor, was only partly correct. He was obsolete. But so is the State, the entity he worshipped. Any state, entity, or ideology becomes obsolete when it stockpiles the wrong weapons: when it captures territories, but not minds; when it enslaves millions, but convinces nobody. When it is naked, yet puts on armor and calls it faith, while in the Eyes of God it has no faith at all. Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of Man...that state is obsolete." -Rod Serling
Zoraptor Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 And he was kinda terrible at it. I mean, it can't really have passed everyone at the whitehouse by either. Not a job anyone could have done well in the circumstances. Trump cannot keep a position straight from day to day and while Spicer occasionally poured oil on PR fires most of those fires were started by Trump first and foremost and Trump hasn't exactly been reticent about stoking them either. There's not much you can do if your boss keeps insisting that his inauguration crowd was the biggest- almost as big as his hands, and let me tell you they're yuge hands and I know hands- of all time despite all evidence to the contrary. His replacement/ boss looks just terrible though. Stereotypical plastic banker PR person who you'd expect to melt if put near an open flame or turn to dust in sunlight.
Guard Dog Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Jeff Sessions Wants Cops to Seize More Money From Suspected Criminals When people ask me why I refuse to vote Republican anymore this is #2 on the growing list of reasons I give. Civil Asset forfeiture. Why are we not fighting a civil war over this despicable practice right this moment? 1 "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
injurai Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Isn't freezing assets already a thing? Nothing should be seized without conviction.
Guard Dog Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Isn't freezing assets already a thing? Nothing should be seized without conviction. The definition of Civil Asset Forfeiture from Wikipedia: Civil forfeiture in the United States, also called civil asset forfeiture or civil judicial forfeiture[1] or occasionally civil seizure, is a controversial legal process in which law enforcement officers take assets from persons suspected of involvement with crime or illegal activity without necessarily charging the owners with wrongdoing. While civil procedure, as opposed to criminal procedure, generally involves a dispute between two private citizens, civil forfeiture involves a dispute between law enforcement and property such as a pile of cash or a house or a boat, such that the thing is suspected of being involved in a crime. To get back the seized property, owners must prove it was not involved in criminal activity. In all other aspects of our jurisprudence the citizen is innocent until proven guilty. Until it comes to that one thing the goddamned government loves above all other things: money. So they just made themselves this little exception to the 4th Amendment and told us to go f--k ourselves if we don't like it. Both the Democrats AND the Republicans love this. In fact only one political party in all the land of the free has fought against this legalized theft: http://www.lp.org 3 "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
injurai Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 It's the type of law that you see why it was created, but it feels rather it requires those involved to walk the correct utilitarian path when invoking it. In other words baked into it is the potential for abuse.
Volourn Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 To me, it is an evil Nazi law right on the premise. There is no defense of this. if you can't prove someone is a criminal in a court of law you shouldn't be allowed to steal their money. PERIOD. Kanada has the same the kind of asanine law as well. So bad that a couple that owned apartments that happened to house drug users (and supposedly drug sellers) were basically ruined and lost everything and are still in court battles. Funny thing is that they were following the law of not discriminating against people with records plus the goal was to help those most poor and needing a home. LMAO EVIL. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
Namutree Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 Jeff Sessions Wants Cops to Seize More Money From Suspected Criminals When people ask me why I refuse to vote Republican anymore this is #2 on the growing list of reasons I give. Civil Asset forfeiture. Why are we not fighting a civil war over this despicable practice right this moment? Because almost no one gives a crap about property rights anymore. "Good thing I don't heal my characters or they'd be really hurt." Is not something I should ever be thinking. I use blue text when I'm being sarcastic.
BruceVC Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 Im glad Spicer is gone but he had an almost insurmountable task trying to decipher and ameliorate the mercurial and confusing tweets and comments of Trump...no one would get that one right as White House Press Secretary for Trump, especially in the beginning of his presidency I like Anthony Scaramucci, he seems to understand and respect normal engagement and interaction with institutions like the Media, it will be great to start to move away from the world of " alternative facts " "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Volourn Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 As long as we live in the world where the news talks about 'Russia hacking the election' that ain't happening. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
BruceVC Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 As long as we live in the world where the news talks about 'Russia hacking the election' that ain't happening. volo dont be afraid of the truth, Russia did interfere in the US election with an intention to undermine Clinton and assure that Trump won I can explain anything about this you may not be clear on? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Volourn Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 "volo dont be afraid of the truth, Russia did interfere in the US election with an intention to undermine Clinton and assure that Trump won I can explain anything about this you may not be clear on?" They didn't hack the election. CAPICHE? DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
Gorgon Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 Isn't freezing assets already a thing? Nothing should be seized without conviction. The definition of Civil Asset Forfeiture from Wikipedia: Civil forfeiture in the United States, also called civil asset forfeiture or civil judicial forfeiture[1] or occasionally civil seizure, is a controversial legal process in which law enforcement officers take assets from persons suspected of involvement with crime or illegal activity without necessarily charging the owners with wrongdoing. While civil procedure, as opposed to criminal procedure, generally involves a dispute between two private citizens, civil forfeiture involves a dispute between law enforcement and property such as a pile of cash or a house or a boat, such that the thing is suspected of being involved in a crime. To get back the seized property, owners must prove it was not involved in criminal activity. In all other aspects of our jurisprudence the citizen is innocent until proven guilty. Until it comes to that one thing the goddamned government loves above all other things: money. So they just made themselves this little exception to the 4th Amendment and told us to go f--k ourselves if we don't like it. Both the Democrats AND the Republicans love this. In fact only one political party in all the land of the free has fought against this legalized theft: http://www.lp.org An example. Driving down the road with 100.000 in cash, being stopped by the police who seize your money on suspicion that you acquired it illegally. You now have the burden of proof that you are not a drug dealer. How exactly would you do that. The truth might not be good enough. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all.
BruceVC Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 (edited) You know we have a problem when the US president starts looking into " if he can pardon himself " http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-defends-pardoning-everyone-did-nothing-wrong-640678 Edited July 22, 2017 by BruceVC 1 "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
redneckdevil Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 As long as we live in the world where the news talks about 'Russia hacking the election' that ain't happening.volo dont be afraid of the truth, Russia did interfere in the US election with an intention to undermine Clinton and assure that Trump won I can explain anything about this you may not be clear on? If ur outraged over hackers leaking DNC documents to undermine Hillary to the voters, then u should be equally appalled at the DNC for undermining Sanders for Hillary....
HoonDing Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 He's not a crook. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
Hurlshort Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 As long as we live in the world where the news talks about 'Russia hacking the election' that ain't happening.volo dont be afraid of the truth, Russia did interfere in the US election with an intention to undermine Clinton and assure that Trump won I can explain anything about this you may not be clear on? If ur outraged over hackers leaking DNC documents to undermine Hillary to the voters, then u should be equally appalled at the DNC for undermining Sanders for Hillary.... I am sure if Clinton won, it might be the bigger story. But she isn't the President. (Not that I think much of the whole Russian controversy myself)
Guard Dog Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 If Clinton won, with the exception of who is on the Supreme Court, nothing would be different. There would still be scandal and dysfunction and talk of impeachment. The ACA would still be the law of the land, The people in Syria and elsewhere would still be killing each other by the hundreds. North Korea would still be doing it's thing and Russia and China theirs and we would still be doing ours. It really is astonishing that so many people emotionally invested so much in the outcome of one election that families and friendships broke over it. And yet the choice really was of such little consequence after all is said and done. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
smjjames Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 If Clinton won, with the exception of who is on the Supreme Court, nothing would be different. There would still be scandal and dysfunction and talk of impeachment. The ACA would still be the law of the land, The people in Syria and elsewhere would still be killing each other by the hundreds. North Korea would still be doing it's thing and Russia and China theirs and we would still be doing ours. It really is astonishing that so many people emotionally invested so much in the outcome of one election that families and friendships broke over it. And yet the choice really was of such little consequence after all is said and done. Well, our allies wouldn't be alienated and we'd still be in the Paris climate accords, so, not really nothing. I'm gonna disagree with you on the scandals bit. Sure, the Republicans will still hammer her over emails and Benghazi, and there most likely would still be a Russia investigation. But I don't think there would be any new scandals (at least not right away) or Clinton getting caught up in the Russia web. As for dysfunction, if you mean general dysfunction with Congress, then yeah, you can bet that the Republicans will blockade her just about everywhere. They aren't exactly wholly functional now either.
Rosbjerg Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 If Clinton won, with the exception of who is on the Supreme Court, nothing would be different. There would still be scandal and dysfunction and talk of impeachment. The ACA would still be the law of the land, The people in Syria and elsewhere would still be killing each other by the hundreds*. North Korea would still be doing it's thing and Russia and China theirs and we would still be doing ours. It really is astonishing that so many people emotionally invested so much in the outcome of one election that families and friendships broke over it. And yet the choice really was of such little consequence after all is said and done. *sponsored killing brought to you by the biggest arms dealers in the world. I guess the biggest difference is how openly the corruption, self interest and wanton disregard for civil rights is being conducted - but then Trump just a ordinary businessman - he doesn't have the network to do it more covertly like the Clintons or Bushs. Fortune favors the bald.
injurai Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 If Clinton won, with the exception of who is on the Supreme Court, nothing would be different. There would still be scandal and dysfunction and talk of impeachment. The ACA would still be the law of the land, The people in Syria and elsewhere would still be killing each other by the hundreds*. North Korea would still be doing it's thing and Russia and China theirs and we would still be doing ours. It really is astonishing that so many people emotionally invested so much in the outcome of one election that families and friendships broke over it. And yet the choice really was of such little consequence after all is said and done. *sponsored killing brought to you by the biggest arms dealers in the world. I guess the biggest difference is how openly the corruption, self interest and wanton disregard for civil rights is being conducted - but then Trump just a ordinary businessman - he doesn't have the network to do it more covertly like the Clintons or Bushs. Sometimes it seems that the only real loss was the liberals push to change social language, but given how zero-tolerance they were about progress it's not surprising that backfired. Either way, we are in for a hell of a term.
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