Politics 2017 Act 6

[Gromnir]

When I was growing up corporal punishment was fairly common. My parents practiced it albeit sparingly. It was commonplace in public schools. It isn't effective. But not for the reason most people think. It's ineffective because kids figure out early on they can't hit you hard enough to really hurt you. And it's over really quick. I remember I got into a fight in 4th Grade. The punishment was a choice of the paddle of a 3 day suspension. That was an easy choice. I didn't have to tell my parents I was paddled. Staying home for three days would require a more detailed explanation. It was the same thing at home. Would I rather get three licks with the belt or not be able to play outside for a week. That's another no brainer. "C'mon Dad let's get this over with. I'm going to play ball".

 

"and that's so you remember it."

 

am not having a strong opinion.  most o' our enlightened friends seem to think any kinda corporal punishment is unnecessary and evil. doesn't sound right to us.  never got corporal punishment in school, other than having to hold dictionaries aloft with arms outstretched.  effective. we did receive extreme rare whoopins as a child, and am thinking we deserved most of 'em. whatever abuse we suffered as a child were not the result o' physical punishments.

 

*shrug*

 

only posted 'cause we had an oblique kinda excuse to post the scene from kingdom of heaven. 

 

HA! Good Fun!

[aluminiumtrioxid]

 

Confirmation bias. You remember hearing about artists who are crazy, no one goes 'oh that Rembrandt fellow was totally normal'.

 

 

Perhaps, but better use some other example as rembrandt painting his best paintings when his wife and 4 of his children died.

 

 

Research suggests that even if it's true, it's far from typical.

[rjshae]

In Montana The republican candidate Gianforte defeated the democrat and libertarian candidates for the vacancy in the state's sole congressional seat.

 

I hear it was a slam dunk.

[redneckdevil]

I think I hope Trump denies the Paris agreement. Not because I don't care about the impact to climate (even though I don't recycle), but more along the lines of the strings that would be attached. Before looking into the EU, I would be eh go for it, but seeing what comes along and pushed and forced and what happens when you don't want to comply, I think it would be a good idea for the USA to stay outta it. We have enough (sane and crazy) people and drive for cleaner environment here in the USA. Just imagining those same people FORCING everyone to do crazy **** to help out the environment and businesses being businesses would find a way to hit our pockets....no thank you.

[Volourn]

International agreements are just asking for nazism. Outside of 1 to 1 negotiations I'd stay out of them ebcause with multiple countries invovled it can lead to  nonsense like the EU now trying to steal from britian and destroy. I bet the EU is happy about the latest bombing in Manchester. That is how evil they are.

[Gromnir]

btw, the trump budget would cut fed aid to pine ridge by 50%.  

 

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/89152-the-us-election-2016-part-vii/?p=1844961

 

the tribe invested in bitcoin a few years ago.  we thought it were an idiotic venture at the time.  gonna need check to see if the oglala benefitted from the recent bitcoin explosion.  wouldn't be enough to cover the loss o' fed funds, but it might help.

 

oh, and throwing oil on the fire...

 

http://www.startribune.com/apnewsbreak-2-more-leaks-found-along-dakota-access-pipeline/423678613/

Edited May 27, 2017 by Gromnir

[pmp10]

I think I hope Trump denies the Paris agreement. Not because I don't care about the impact to climate (even though I don't recycle), but more along the lines of the strings that would be attached. Before looking into the EU, I would be eh go for it, but seeing what comes along and pushed and forced and what happens when you don't want to comply, I think it would be a good idea for the USA to stay outta it. We have enough (sane and crazy) people and drive for cleaner environment here in the USA. Just imagining those same people FORCING everyone to do crazy **** to help out the environment and businesses being businesses would find a way to hit our pockets....no thank you.

Retreating from Paris is not as easy as signing an executive action.

It would take 4 years and make US a international pariah.

 

He might just effectively weaken it into complete irrelevance instead.

Most of it is non-binding wishful thinking anyway.

[redneckdevil]

btw, the trump budget would cut fed aid to pine ridge by 50%.

 

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/89152-the-us-election-2016-part-vii/?p=1844961

 

the tribe invested in bitcoin a few years ago. we thought it were an idiotic venture at the time. gonna need check to see if the oglala benefitted from the recent bitcoin explosion. wouldn't be enough to cover the loss o' fed funds, but it might help.

 

oh, and throwing oil on the fire...

 

http://www.startribune.com/apnewsbreak-2-more-leaks-found-along-dakota-access-pipeline/423678613/

Used to live near Cherokee, it used to be busy when I was a kid and the Indians in their outfits doing the fake Indian how, used to love it. Before video games and internet came along, used to love it. Be like driving thru a John Wayne Western.

90s and u could tell times got bad quick.

I'm shocked how I feel thinking about it because I've come to view the reservation as a business more than a land of people. Maybe I'm not knowing something or just looking realistically.

Now they own lands that are not subject to laws/regulations of America, but u are surrounded by America. No way out. They used to own all the land, but we invaded and took it from them. Horrible genocide and we halfassidly apologize by giving you plots of land to do whatever u want. But it's your land so it up to you what happens to it.

I'm against the pipe because we have no right to being there.

Its THEIR land, not ours.

That aside, I feel it's on them if they do or die. They can even move and become a citizen, enjoy the perks and benefits of education, job options, etc. Hell even pick trades, goods, services and bring it back to your land.

But your land, that's it. It ain't getting any bigger, so u have to worry about your land being over populated. Only so much area. ****s gone down hill? You gotta do what you gotta do, it's sink or swim. It's their problem. It goes south? Hard to feel as sorry. I do feel bad but not enough to do anything about except be mad when we break the rules. I ain't worried when they break the rules as much because everyone knew, them and us, that the game was rigged from the start.

[BruceVC]

 

btw, the trump budget would cut fed aid to pine ridge by 50%.

 

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/89152-the-us-election-2016-part-vii/?p=1844961

 

the tribe invested in bitcoin a few years ago. we thought it were an idiotic venture at the time. gonna need check to see if the oglala benefitted from the recent bitcoin explosion. wouldn't be enough to cover the loss o' fed funds, but it might help.

 

oh, and throwing oil on the fire...

 

http://www.startribune.com/apnewsbreak-2-more-leaks-found-along-dakota-access-pipeline/423678613/

Used to live near Cherokee, it used to be busy when I was a kid and the Indians in their outfits doing the fake Indian how, used to love it. Before video games and internet came along, used to love it. Be like driving thru a John Wayne Western.

90s and u could tell times got bad quick.

I'm shocked how I feel thinking about it because I've come to view the reservation as a business more than a land of people. Maybe I'm not knowing

 

Come  now my friend, its okay to just chat to Gromnir without playing the old " I am a white person who also use to live on the reserve "  ....what next, did you use to hunt and set snares ...

 

I like and respect Gromnir but its not because I am generally drawn to intellectualism or his indefatigable manner to debate for days . No, in fact sometimes those debates  become tedious because no one really follows them and people like Zora refuse to accept they are indisputably " anti-Western " , nothing wrong with being that ....other people are honest and it makes no difference to the reality of the world? But just acknowledge you are anti-western?

 

No for me Gromnir is one of those people that due to certain circumstances has been on a great and arduous life journey. its not something most of us will even attempt to start as most people lose their way and forget what the objective was. But that understanding of the end of this mental  journey is a clarity of certain truisms in life and sense of acceptance of what actually matters 

 

That can  never be lost and makes a person see the world in a much better way

[redneckdevil]

I actually have hunted and set snares lol. Used to trap rabbits and squirrels as a kid.

Never lived on the reserve, lived bout 20 mins away. I miss the mountains.

What's wrong with me chatting with gromnir? That's like saying I shouldn't chat with you?

 

I hope you take this all tongue in cheek?

[Guard Dog]

btw, the trump budget would cut fed aid to pine ridge by 50%.  

 

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/89152-the-us-election-2016-part-vii/?p=1844961

 

the tribe invested in bitcoin a few years ago.  we thought it were an idiotic venture at the time.  gonna need check to see if the oglala benefitted from the recent bitcoin explosion.  wouldn't be enough to cover the loss o' fed funds, but it might help.

 

oh, and throwing oil on the fire...

 

http://www.startribune.com/apnewsbreak-2-more-leaks-found-along-dakota-access-pipeline/423678613/

 

If you have any pull with them tell them to get out right now.

[Gromnir]

 

btw, the trump budget would cut fed aid to pine ridge by 50%.  

 

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/89152-the-us-election-2016-part-vii/?p=1844961

 

the tribe invested in bitcoin a few years ago.  we thought it were an idiotic venture at the time.  gonna need check to see if the oglala benefitted from the recent bitcoin explosion.  wouldn't be enough to cover the loss o' fed funds, but it might help.

 

oh, and throwing oil on the fire...

 

http://www.startribune.com/apnewsbreak-2-more-leaks-found-along-dakota-access-pipeline/423678613/

 

If you have any pull with them tell them to get out right now.

 

we got almost as much pull as would trump at a greenpeace event.

 

*shrug*

 

HA! Good Fun!

[Leferd]

OK. I LOL'd.

 

[Terminator]

Well well politics. I am from Finland Europe. Me what am I? I guess you could say capitalist since I am landlord (but I am not filthy rich not bragging here).

In addition I am not so much for open immigrant polictics my political party is True FInns and they are against immigrants.

 

As a teaser this musicvideo however take it easy I am not nazi but FInland was allied with NAZI Germany vs Russia in the past.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDhkFHC8tO4&list=RDMMyDhkFHC8tO4

[redneckdevil]

OK. I LOL'd.

 

Lmfao that was awesome

[Raithe]

Heh, Comment I overheard someone mention:

 

"I think Trump has ruined blondes for me." - My 10 year old

[HoonDing]

I'm assuming everytime someone links to Prietprat this is done in irony.

[Gromnir]

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-05-28/trump-ducks-reporter-questions-on-trip-only-g-7-leader-to-do-so

 

At a meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu, a reporter asked the Israeli prime minister if he still trusted U.S. authorities with sensitive intelligence following reports that Trump had shared secret intel from Israel with the Russians during an Oval Office meeting. Trump stepped up to insist he’d never said the word “Israel” in his talks with Russian officials -- effectively confirming that nation as the source of the information.

 

am no longer shocked by trumpastophes and trumpagedies, but the kinda relative minor trump-trips is what catch us off-guard.  each such gaffe is paradoxical unpredictable and expected. you know trump is gonna say something ridiculous, which his core followers will inevitable dismiss as trump being "real" or "trump being trump."  *insert eye roll here* the chances o' trump making a foolish ejaculation during a given week must needs be approaching 100%.  even so, while is a certainty the president will public share his cringe-worthiness, the specific blunder(s) continue to shock us. 

 

took dan quayle years to bumble and stumble his way to a far less impressive catalog o' buffoonery.  

 

...

 

am feeling like we slipped into a coen brothers film.  less funny than raising arizona, but not yet quite as dark as no country for old men.

 

 

HA! Good Fun!

Edited May 29, 2017 by Gromnir

[Guard Dog]

The Road maybe?

 

In defense of Quayle he only looked foolish during election years. They managed to keep him locked in his office for most of the two years in between. That limited his opportunities.

 

And that video calling Homer Stokes from O Brother where Art Thou a Tea Party Republican is not cool. First of all in 1930's Mississippi you better believe he was a Democrat. Second of all the Tea Party thing was all about, and only about, Government spending. It took no position on social issues at all. Yeah, I know you didn't make the video... just sayin.

[Hurlshort]

We need more Mr. Rogers.

 

[Leferd]

We need more Mr. Rogers.

 

 

Well, Mr. Rogers isn't around anymore to champion Public Broadcasting in front of the government.

 

http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/trump-budget-eliminates-national-endowment-for-the-arts-corporation-for-public-broadcasting-1202441464/

 

 

 

Trump’s budget also calls for the elimination of funding for the NEA’s sister agency, the National Endowment for the Humanities.

Also on the chopping block is funding for public TV and radio stations via the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. The CPB received an advanced appropriation for its 2018 fiscal year, but the White House budget calls for canceling much of its $445 million in funding. It requests just $30 million to conduct “an orderly closeout” of CPB funding.

[Gromnir]

The Road maybe?

 

In defense of Quayle he only looked foolish during election years. They managed to keep him locked in his office for most of the two years in between. That limited his opportunities.

 

And that video calling Homer Stokes from O Brother where Art Thou a Tea Party Republican is not cool. First of all in 1930's Mississippi you better believe he was a Democrat. Second of all the Tea Party thing was all about, and only about, Government spending. It took no position on social issues at all. Yeah, I know you didn't make the video... just sayin.

am knowing leferd becomes annoyed when we use jfk as a punching bag

 

http://articles.latimes.com/1988-12-15/news/vw-329_1_coretta-king

 

jfk calls coretta king and offers condolences.   jfk doesn't actual lift a finger to help mlk. jfk doesn't ask his brother bobby, with his considerable justice department ties to intercede on mlk's behalf. nope, jfk makes a brief phone call o' meaningless support. less than two-minutes. coretta king would appear on a radio show shortly after mlk's release, and would mention how touched she were by jfk's concern.  the kennedy campaign printed up transcripts o' ms. king's radio address... printed 'em by the thousands. tens of thousands. 

 

black voters, who were historical voting republican, the party of Lincoln, do a 180 and vote for jk 'gainst nixon.  in one o' the narrowest victories in presidential history, jfk, a democrat, acquires the black vote and wins the election. 

 

a two-minute phone call.  a call careful tailored so as not to offend white southern democrats. phone call changed everything.

 

HA! Good Fun!

[Leferd]

I liked his speeches. Plus I think these telecons are pretty cool.

 

 

 

I don't see the current POTUS consulting with his predecessors collegially regarding the Kremlin.

[Guard Dog]

On the subject of PBS, it will suprise none of you if I have a problem with my tax dollars going to fund a TV and radio network (other than AFRTS). But since it was a tiny drop in a big budget bucket and for around forty years of it's existence it was filling a void when most TV viewers could only watch 3-4 major networks and a handful of independent stations, none of which could be called educational. But in today's times with nearly endless streaming and traditional options, many and more of which far exceed PBS in educational and cultural value, does PBS still have a place? Is it still worthy of those few drops from the budget bucket that fund it? I'm going to say no.

[Raithe]

Congress gave Trump awful news about his next golf trip

 

 

Rep. Ted Lieu (D-CA) has formally introduced a bill into Congress that would require Trump to reimburse the government for funds spent on travel to his own properties, such as Mar-a-Lago in Florida and the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, NJ.

 

Lieu’s bill, the Stop Waste and Misuse by the President (SWAMP) Act, states that Trump’s travel “results in the American taxpayer effectively subsidizing the president’s businesses.” The bill would also require that Trump reimburse the government for Secret Service costs derived from visits to his properties.Trump’s costs have skyrocketed since assuming office. The Wall Street Journal has reported that, of the $6 million in “campaign funds” that Trump spent in the first quarter of 2017, $500,000 was directed right back into Trump-owned hotels, restaurants and golf clubs. In total, since the start of his campaign, over $14 million has been funneled back into Trump-owned properties.