The US Election 2016, Part VII

[Bokishi]

I guess black lives don't matter to BLM

[Volourn]

 "knew how this would upset you, this is EXACTLY  why I didnt want you to read this link

 

 

I have  a suggestion going forward, I will read all political links and then tell you what is suitable. This way you will never get upset about a misunderstanding. So I will effectively be your filter for negative news....this way you can focus on what you enjoy which is gaming and let me provide you with stories that you wont misinterpret and see them as negative ?

 

Its basically a win win for you?"

 

I know youa re trolling but unlike you I am no SJW Nazi. I don't need no Trigger Warnings.   The fact is you cna't deny what I said was true so you just troll troll troll. R00fles!

[BruceVC]

 

 "knew how this would upset you, this is EXACTLY  why I didnt want you to read this link

 

 

I have  a suggestion going forward, I will read all political links and then tell you what is suitable. This way you will never get upset about a misunderstanding. So I will effectively be your filter for negative news....this way you can focus on what you enjoy which is gaming and let me provide you with stories that you wont misinterpret and see them as negative ?

 

Its basically a win win for you?"

 

I know youa re trolling but unlike you I am no SJW Nazi. I don't need no Trigger Warnings.   The fact is you cna't deny what I said was true so you just troll troll troll. R00fles!

 

Am I trolling? You know that for sure?

 

Is it not possible I could have other motives excect for this irritating, lazy, Internet colloquialism called "trolling " 

 

 

I never troll but in this case I'm joking with you, joking is not trolling 

[quidproquo]

According to that link, the headline number actually puts the per capita death rate of native Americans higher than blacks. T'hell is that?!

[Gromnir]

According to that link, the headline number actually puts the per capita death rate of native Americans higher than blacks. T'hell is that?!

am not understanding the confusion.

[BruceVC]

 

According to that link, the headline number actually puts the per capita death rate of native Americans higher than blacks. T'hell is that?!

am not understanding the confusion.

 

In other words he is saying more Native Americans are killed than AA....I find that hard to believe?

[Gromnir]

 

 

According to that link, the headline number actually puts the per capita death rate of native Americans higher than blacks. T'hell is that?!

am not understanding the confusion.

 

In other words he is saying more Native Americans are killed than AA....I find that hard to believe?

 

is a per capita rate

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

According to that link, the headline number actually puts the per capita death rate of native Americans higher than blacks. T'hell is that?!

am not understanding the confusion.

 

In other words he is saying more Native Americans are killed than AA....I find that hard to believe?

 

is a per capita rate

 

Yes but still, is homicide high in Native American communities? If this is true who is doing the killing of NA?

[Gromnir]

from a post during the recent israel-gaza troubles

 

"...child mortality rates is worse at Pine Ridge than in Gaza. didn’t have much choice ‘bout moving during year 1, eh? regardless the moving and US citizenship is clear bunk too. let’s look at stats, shall we? Average lifespan of male in Gaza is +70.5 years. male life span in Pine Ridge is 48 for males. unemployment in Pine Ridge is 80%, which is worse than Gaza. alcoholism is understandably worse at Pine Ridge given Muslim prohibitions regarding such intoxicants, but the suicide rate at pine ridge has, from time-to-time been higher than in any other place on earth. population growth in Gaza is 3.5%... which is darn good considering they is ‘posed victims o’ genocide. 4% is the 10 year population growth for Pine Ridge. literacy rates is better at Pine Ridge, but only by a fraction. thanks to Arabs caring disproportionately less about the education of their women folk, Pine Ridge beat Gaza by .5% in the literacy category. Huzzah.  homes with electricity, telephone and running water is more likely in Gaza, or at least they were in June before hamas started throwing rockets at Israel."

 

http://www.slate.com/blogs/behold/2014/02/20/aaron_huey_photographs_the_pine_ridge_reservation_in_south_dakota_in_his.html

http://www.redcloudschool.org/reservation

http://www.4aihf.org/id40.html

https://www.theguardian.com/global/2010/jan/11/native-americans-reservations-poverty-obama

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/north_america-july-dec11-blackhills_08-23/

 

no matter how many times we link, people seem surprised.

 

by almost every metric, the standard of living in gaza is better (significantly) than at pine ridge.  people being shocked that violence is also a significant problem in such a place is curious to us.

[Meshugger]

 

 

 

 

 

Sigh, now we got the riots in my neck of the woods. ****ed up situation but the rioting making it MUCH worse! Protesters killing and shooting other protesters, blocking highways and steal vehicles and jacking cargo of trucks, and running down and mobbing whites for being whites. Both sides in the wrong and ****ing it up for everyone.

I hope Volo doesnt read this....he will have a field day expressing his horror at BLM being racist ...volo is very sensitive about these things

Here's the thing and I wanna ask u a question because I can't seem to get an answer from my friends about this.

With the cop killing innocents, why is when it happens to a white/Latino/Asian/etc it's viewed as the cops ****ed up badly, but when it happens to a black person its a racist act and not simply a huge **** up with like with the others?

 

 

Because there is racial bias. This mostly about white vs black but there's some mentions of hispanics as well:

 

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/07/data-police-racial-bias

 

 

Also, this doesn't mean that the cop is actively racist, but rather that there is built in prejudice into police behavior. Racist act doesn't necessarily mean the guy who acted is an evil white supremacist.

 

 

Minorities are actually less likely to be shot by the Police than whites: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2016/04/27/this-study-found-race-matters-in-police-shootings-but-the-results-may-surprise-you/

 

Also add into the problem with blacks and hispanics being overpresented in crime to begin with. Where does the racism begin and where does the fact of police just responding to criminal activity end? http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus08.pdf

 

Unless these issues are investigated and measures taken accordingly, nothing will be solved.

 

 

All the collected statistics on actual shootings seem to disagree with that study of police shooting simulations.

 

 

Did all the collected statistics on actual shootings include investigation whether the cop who pulled the trigger did because the victim was of the wrong race?

 

If you say so. 

[quidproquo]

I simply didn't know those statistics. That's ugly. Yes, I was surprised.

[Meshugger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EyoKB3ZHSc

 

Wow, why isn't she 50 points ahead?

Edited September 22, 2016 by Meshugger

[Bokishi]

Obama and Bernie had more charisma

[BruceVC]

from a post during the recent israel-gaza troubles

 

"...child mortality rates is worse at Pine Ridge than in Gaza. didn’t have much choice ‘bout moving during year 1, eh? regardless the moving and US citizenship is clear bunk too. let’s look at stats, shall we? Average lifespan of male in Gaza is +70.5 years. male life span in Pine Ridge is 48 for males. unemployment in Pine Ridge is 80%, which is worse than Gaza. alcoholism is understandably worse at Pine Ridge given Muslim prohibitions regarding such intoxicants, but the suicide rate at pine ridge has, from time-to-time been higher than in any other place on earth. population growth in Gaza is 3.5%... which is darn good considering they is ‘posed victims o’ genocide. 4% is the 10 year population growth for Pine Ridge. literacy rates is better at Pine Ridge, but only by a fraction. thanks to Arabs caring disproportionately less about the education of their women folk, Pine Ridge beat Gaza by .5% in the literacy category. Huzzah.  homes with electricity, telephone and running water is more likely in Gaza, or at least they were in June before hamas started throwing rockets at Israel."

 

http://www.slate.com/blogs/behold/2014/02/20/aaron_huey_photographs_the_pine_ridge_reservation_in_south_dakota_in_his.html

http://www.redcloudschool.org/reservation

http://www.4aihf.org/id40.html

https://www.theguardian.com/global/2010/jan/11/native-americans-reservations-poverty-obama

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/north_america-july-dec11-blackhills_08-23/

 

no matter how many times we link, people seem surprised.

 

by almost every metric, the standard of living in gaza is better (significantly) than at pine ridge.  people being shocked that violence is also a significant problem in such a place is curious to us.

Okay I will admit I was very surprised by this, this part shocked me the most ....why is more not done to resolve these hardships? Who is responsible to transform the overall quality of lifes?

 

Economic realities

• 80 percent of residents are unemployed. 
• 49 percent of residents live below the federal poverty line. 
• 61 percent of residents below the age of 18 live below the poverty line. 
• The Pine Ridge Indian Reservation is located in Oglala Lakota County, where its per-capita income makes it the second poorest county in the United States, at $6,286. 
• If the Oglala Sioux Tribe were to equally disperse revenues from the Prairie Wind Casino to all enrolled tribal members, each resident would receive $.15 per mont

 

Health and well-being realities

• The infant mortality rate is five times higher than the United States national average. 
• More than 4.5 million cans of beers are sold annually in White Clay, Nebraska, just over the border from the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation. This amounts to more than 12,500 cans of beer a day. The reservation itself is dry. 
• Obesity, diabetes, and heart disease occur in epidemic proportions on the Pine Ridge. 
• Native Americans’ rate of amputations related to diabetes is three to four times higher than among the general United States population. 
• Death rates due to diabetes among Native Americans are three times higher than among the general United States population. 
• Unhealthy diets and lack of exercise are two main contributing factors behind these high numbers, despite the fact that in the early history of the Lakota, diabetes was virtually unknown. 
• Life expectancy on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation is the lowest anywhere in the western hemisphere, except for Haiti. A recent study found the life expectancy for men to be 48 years, and for women it is 52 years. 

[quidproquo]

Simply don't understand why the Democrats would not put forward a better candidate. What does the Clinton cabal have on so many Democrats that none of the better qualified members would even throw their hats in the ring? Understand not wanting Bernie. After all, the man's not a Democrat and it makes sense that the establishment would balk at an independent running as a Democrat. Whether you lot think he should have won, you can see the problem with establishment being at odds with either Sanders or Trump. Why Clinton, though? Simply because she's a woman? She's not a good campaigner. She lacks the charisma or charm of either Obama or Mr. Clinton. Other than amassing a massive campaign fund through the Foundation, Super PACs, and other means, what adeptness has she shown in either her 2008 or 2016 runs? She has no real positive agenda.

 

See here, this can turn into a contest of who is the bigger jerk, Trump or Clinton, but the Republicans (foolishly in my mind) picked the anti-establishment candidate. You can empathize with the feeling even if the deicision were crazy. The establishment support of Clinton doesn't make sense to me. They will probably win, but Clinton is neither the best Democrat at campaigning and has not demonstrated that she'll even be the best candidate for governing. Other than identity politics, what does she bring?

[Meshugger]

It should've been Jim Webb. He could've answered every kind of bantz with: "Well, since i am the only guy in the room who has actually killed a man..."

[BruceVC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EyoKB3ZHSc

 

Wow, why isn't she 50 points ahead?

Nothing unusual about what she said? You guys are just being captious 

[BruceVC]

Simply don't understand why the Democrats would not put forward a better candidate. What does the Clinton cabal have on so many Democrats that none of the better qualified members would even throw their hats in the ring? Understand not wanting Bernie. After all, the man's not a Democrat and it makes sense that the establishment would balk at an independent running as a Democrat. Whether you lot think he should have won, you can see the problem with establishment being at odds with either Sanders or Trump. Why Clinton, though? Simply because she's a woman? She's not a good campaigner. She lacks the charisma or charm of either Obama or Mr. Clinton. Other than amassing a massive campaign fund through the Foundation, Super PACs, and other means, what adeptness has she shown in either her 2008 or 2016 runs? She has no real positive agenda.

 

See here, this can turn into a contest of who is the bigger jerk, Trump or Clinton, but the Republicans (foolishly in my mind) picked the anti-establishment candidate. You can empathize with the feeling even if the deicision were crazy. The establishment support of Clinton doesn't make sense to me. They will probably win, but Clinton is neither the best Democrat at campaigning and has not demonstrated that she'll even be the best candidate for governing. Other than identity politics, what does she bring?

quid where do you live? I thought the UK?

[Gfted1]

@Gromnir: Is it only that particular tribe that's so deep in the hurt locker or is that pretty much the case nationwide for NA's?

[quidproquo]

Never said, BruceVC. Prefer to shoot at all you people from the shadows. Suffice it to say, however, that I have never lied to you about either my beliefs or my person, although that's probably better for others to judge. However, assuming that I'm somewhere safe in the Realm, I can still observe things quite well most places in the world. Hell, I don't even get cable, satellite or antenna TV. Everything thing that I see comes from the interwebs, assuming it's not print, which is probably about half.

 

As to the native American discussion, all of those statistics are bad, but the question is what to do. Anyone can look at a tragic situation and ask what more can be done and who should do it. It's much harder to be the one who looks at a situation and says "this must be done and I know how to do it." I'm not poking you in the eye, BruceVC. I'm pointing out the fact that, while I would give something of myself to help people in these places, I probably won't. Sure, people can castigate me for telling the truth, but it is true. I give to charity. I volunteer for charitable organizations. I've even been awarded for charitable work I've done. This isn't to say that I'm great. No one here knows me anyway, so who would care? The point is that we're limited in what we do. Now that I know the difficulties of life in these places, I could put them on a list to send money. I can't travel to them easily to volunteer. I could perhaps send goods as I get htem. We could all do with less in order to provide for someone else, but people in that situation need something that transcends my money or my time or my care, all of which I'm willing to give. They need a different situation, and railing against the system doesn't do any good. There must be some sustainable way to provide avenues to success and hope the people take them. Once again, I'm not suggesting that we blame the people. This is a practical matter. What can we do?

[Meshugger]

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EyoKB3ZHSc

 

Wow, why isn't she 50 points ahead?

Nothing unusual about what she said? You guys are just being captious 

 

 

[Bokishi]

She's clearly in meltdown mode

[BruceVC]

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EyoKB3ZHSc

 

Wow, why isn't she 50 points ahead?

Nothing unusual about what she said? You guys are just being captious 

 

 

 

 

Okay that is a terrible picture 

[quidproquo]

Always easy to find a still picture of someone that puts him in a bad light. The problem is, that's essentially how she looked the whole time she was speaking. It wasn't a gotcha picture. It was a reasonable still to take.

[Chilloutman]

dont know if anyone already posted it, you guys are debating to fast to follow