Politics 2017

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Besides, everyone knows aborted fetuses get cooked into vaccinations that contain mercury and cause autism.

Don't give away my recipe.

 

 

Will Trump have a hunny moon? It doesn't look like it even G Dub had his moment of shine.

Yes, Ivanka will shower him with golden love.

[Wrath of Dagon]

Uh, no it's not. There's a heavily edited video of a sting to send a fake pimp and prostitute in to score free abortions at an alleged (but unknown) clinic and a heavily edited video of a sting showing an alleged (but unknown) Planned Parenthood staff member advising abortion first, as well as an ambiguous and heavily edited video of a Planned Parenthood doctor naming figures and tissues. It's snippets of conversations that out of context could possibly, maybe, if you're being especially uncharitable on purpose, could maybe interpret as possibly being about those things, maybe. I ain't seein' no fetal bits caught on film.

 

The first two have full-length 30 minute versions that disprove the conclusions made by Live Action (for example, the staff advised about ten different things before advising abortion that were just edited out) available at *shiver* HuffPost (yeah I know, about as reliable as Breitbart is but they had the full footage and the footage is important, not the article):

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/01/live-action-planned-parenthood-videos_n_1563241.html

 

And as for the latter, there's a very detailed Snopes post for that footage that essentially comes to the conclusion of "Mixed on account of we don't even know what they're talking about because it's edited in ways that nearly every quote lacks context and it's not logically possible to determine what is being referred to".

 

http://www.snopes.com/pp-baby-parts-sale/

 

So as far as I can tell, hoaxes. This coupled with what I said about how they would somehow get away with all this and all staff at Planned Parenthood centers somehow being okay with it... this conspiracy sounds about as likely to me as faking the moonlanding. And let's not even get in to the fact that they make money of their monetized YouTube videos.

I don't see how your links contradict anything, more like some liberal organizations making excuses. And the reason PP gets away with all that is exactly because Democrats protect them. I guess to be really sure I'd have to watch the entire unedited video, but I'm just not that interested, sorry.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Who needs to check facts when you've got alternative facts?

[Gromnir]

http://abovethelaw.com/2017/01/supreme-court-update-and-then-there-were-three/

 

am kinda conflicted 'bout the notion o' pryor being the most unlikely o' the seeming three finalists.  a fine judge who deserves consideration but getting the Presidential nomination woulda' resulted in a senate bloodbath.  would be unseemly to see a fine jurist such as pryor staked out like the goat in jurassic park. then again, would be fun to watch trump view the proceedings impotently, and possible self-destructive, predictable tweeting vitriolic at democrat and republican senators alike. 

 

as 'tween hardiman and gorsuch, gorsuch would be our choice as he is the kinda writer who is gonna make his fellow Justices better.  the thing is, while both potential nominees is textualists, neither has any kinda obvious question marks on their legal résumé.  is gonna be tough for democrats to reasonable oppose either, though after the unfortunate situation with judge garland, they may simple dig in and refuse 60 to any trump nominee.

 

HA! Good Fun!

 

ps one wonders how long before the fbi starts a stalker file for keyrock.  won't be surprised if he ends up on a no-fly list.

Edited January 25, 2017 by Gromnir

[Wrath of Dagon]

I remember Ann Gorsuch. Man the left hated her.

[Gromnir]

how on earth are you reading?  in both instances, Gromnir observes that individual Congressmen will act in their own best interest regardless o' some kinda perceived external notion from pundits regarding what is best for the party.  we noted that in 2016 numerous Congressmen did indeed distance themselves from trump as 'posed to aligning with party interests. so, how do you see hypocrisy? 

 

HA! Good Fun!

[Meshugger]

Step 1: Make a provocative statement

Step 2: Cause a media uproar: "What can change the nature of a fact?"

Step 3: Accuse media of being unreasonable about the nature of facts, escalating the issue to an outrage

Step 4: Work on stuff that matters like TPP, Keystone, EPA and NAFTA in peace while enjoying the lime light on facts that don't matter

Step 5: The few reporters who report on facts that matter are drowned in the sea of those that don't

Step 6: Smile

[Gromnir]

in both cases Gromnir states it is foolish to claim what the Party must or will do as Congressmen act in their own self interest.

 

*zoom*

 

went right over your head.

 

HA! Good Fun!

[Gromnir]

 

in both cases Gromnir states it is foolish to claim what the Party must or will do as Congressmen act in their own self interest.

 

*zoom*

 

went right over your head.

 

HA! Good Fun!

 

No. In first case Gromnir states what congressmen must or will do.

In second case Gromnir states that stating what congressmen must or will do is asinine.

*zoom*

hypocrisy goes over Gromnir head.

 

HA! Good Fun!

 

incorrect.  in the first case Gromnir rejects the notion that Republicans, as a whole, must stand together with trump. more than a handful o' prominent republicans distanced themselves from trump during the 2016 election.  is nothing to prevent them from making a similar choice in 2017 and beyond.  

 

in the second instance, Gromnir again rejected the notion that the republican party, as a collective, had some kinda "party approved justice profile." trying to suggest a kinda borg collective mentality for the republican party is asinine. 

 

how on earth is you reading?

 

HA! Good Fun!

[Gromnir]

 

Sharp_one recognizes Gromnirs being hypocrite.

 

possible language barrier fail?  dunno. a personal fail o' Gromnir is dogged consistency. 

 

 

HA! Good Fun!

 

ps another example o' why it is foolish to see Republicans as some kinda hive mind

 

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/lindsey-graham-trump-kill-list-233898

 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/24/politics/lindsey-graham-trump-illegal-votes/

Edited January 25, 2017 by Gromnir

[ManifestedISO]

Could probably set your clock by mock imitations by now.

[Blarghagh]

That was never going to happen since there's no such things. Academic sources on current news don't exist and trustworthy is very clearly subjective.

[Blarghagh]

That was from a research paper, not political news, and you're highly misremembering that thread if you think people considered it and the organisation it came from unbiased and trustworthy.

[Meshugger]

Of course the communist party supported racial equality. As a death cult, it makes sure that everyone is welcomed and where we will all be truly equal in the end.

[Barothmuk]

Please just do. your research....

 

The communist party of the US supported racial equality. Period.

iirc they also supported the US internment of Japanese civilians.

 

Anyways how does this follow from anything that was being discussed?

[Gorgon]

Anyone notice how Trump makes a big deal out of signing those executive orders. He holds them up like he's showing something off at an auction describing them in detail while his underlings stand to attention behind him.

 

It's just so bizarre. 

[Keyrock]

[Malcador]

I forget what the appeal of her is. Wonder what she'll do in the administration, maybe keep her dad on a leash?

[Volourn]

"dinner at the White House, he repeated his claim that millions of undocumented immigrants voted for Hillary Clinton -- allegedly depriving him of the popular vote.

"I wasn't there, but if the President of the United States is claiming that 3.5 million people voted illegally, that shakes confidence in our democracy —"

 

 

 

L0L Is that for real? Meanwhile the anti Trumpers are whining about how a foreign country hacked the election.. doesn't THAT shake confidence in your democracy? COME ON.

[Gfted1]

Neither of the people you are replying to live in the US. r00fles!

[Gfted1]

The very phone that was built in a Chinese sweatshop? For shame, for shame.

 

Just kidding. You're young and idealistic and that's a good thing.

[BruceVC]

 

The very phone that was built in a Chinese sweatshop? For shame, for shame.

 

Just kidding. You're young and idealistic and that's a good thing.

Well thank you good sir. And the phone is second hand.

 

Besides, look at Engels and tell me that only workers can be socialists

 

Bennie everyone wants you to join there side, young people are the ideological political and social  future of all these different movements and views we have around systems of government 

 

I want you to join me, I recognize and support the ONLY system that has guaranteed the happiest and overall wealthiest countries in the world in the last 500 years . Bennie I represent a world of progress and economic sustainability. Join me....join the world of Responsible Capitalism....it offers real advantages to uplift people

 

Marx was an idealist, human beings are not equal and we should not be seen as equal as we define our own destinies and some people for a variety of reasons will achieve more than others. One of the best ways to motivate people is to incentivise them 

 

Read this on Responsible Capitalism

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanrefoy/2014/09/25/delivering-responsible-capitalism-the-growth-of-employee-ownership/#302359113653

[Elerond]

"dinner at the White House, he repeated his claim that millions of undocumented immigrants voted for Hillary Clinton -- allegedly depriving him of the popular vote.

 

"I wasn't there, but if the President of the United States is claiming that 3.5 million people voted illegally, that shakes confidence in our democracy —"

 

 

 

L0L Is that for real? Meanwhile the anti Trumpers are whining about how a foreign country hacked the election.. doesn't THAT shake confidence in your democracy? COME ON.

 

Like you don't know that here is massive difference in elected president claiming things in official setting compared to private citizens whining about something.

 

Also there was provable case of hacking and leaking information during elections, as we all were able to see those leaked emails, even if people that did hack and leak can't be identified for sure, where any proof that even singular people are voting illegally is nearly non-existent and there isn't anything that even remotely suggest thousands let alone millions of people are voting illegally in US. But world where everything that you claim is just alternative fact there seems to be no need for any proof and if such behavior is accepted for president and his advisory then it is accepted to everybody else.

[BruceVC]

 

"dinner at the White House, he repeated his claim that millions of undocumented immigrants voted for Hillary Clinton -- allegedly depriving him of the popular vote.

 

"I wasn't there, but if the President of the United States is claiming that 3.5 million people voted illegally, that shakes confidence in our democracy —"

 

 

 

L0L Is that for real? Meanwhile the anti Trumpers are whining about how a foreign country hacked the election.. doesn't THAT shake confidence in your democracy? COME ON.

 

Like you don't know that here is massive difference in elected president claiming things in official setting compared to private citizens whining about something.

 

Also there was provable case of hacking and leaking information during elections, as we all were able to see those leaked emails, even if people that did hack and leak can't be identified for sure, where any proof that even singular people are voting illegally is nearly non-existent and there isn't anything that even remotely suggest thousands let alone millions of people are voting illegally in US. But world where everything that you claim is just alternative fact there seems to be no need for any proof and if such behavior is accepted for president and his advisory then it is accepted to everybody else.

 

volo I have to say Elerond is 100 % correct in this post, I would strongly suggest you heed his wise words 

[Chilloutman]

Venezuela remains highly dependent on oil revenues, which account for almost all export earnings and nearly half of the government’s revenue. The country ended 2015 with an estimated 10% contraction in its GDP, 275% inflation, widespread shortages of consumer goods, and declining central bank international reserves. The IMF forecasts that the GDP will shrink another 8% in 2016 and inflation may reach 720%.

Falling oil prices since 2014 have aggravated Venezuela’s economic crisis. Insufficient access to dollars, price controls, and rigid labor regulations have led some US and multinational firms to reduce or shut down their Venezuelan operations. Market uncertainty and state oil company PDVSA’s poor cash flow have slowed investment in the petroleum sector, resulting in a decline in oil production.

Under President Nicolas MADURO, the Venezuelan Government’s response to the economic crisis has been to increase state control over the economy and blame the private sector for the shortages. The Venezuelan government has maintained strict currency controls since 2003. On 17 February 2016, the Venezuelan government announced a change from three official currency exchange mechanisms to only two official rates for the sale of dollars to private sector firms and individuals, with rates based on the government's import priorities. The official exchange rate used for food and medicine imports was devalued to 10 bolivars per dollar from 6.3 bolivars per dollar. The second rate moved to a managed float. These currency controls present significant obstacles to trade with Venezuela because importers cannot obtain sufficient dollars to purchase goods needed to maintain their operations. MADURO has used decree powers to enact legislation to deepen the state’s role as the primary buyer and distributor of imports, further tighten currency controls, cap business profits, and extend price controls.