Politics 2017

[Hurlshort]

Interesting analysis: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-01-24/the-democrats-rise-is-far-from-inevitable

 

Point 4 shows why immigration control is vital to the survival of Republicans.

 

Except point 3 makes it clear that good Republican leadership is very capable of turning those immigrants into Republican votes.

[Zoraptor]

Venezuela remains highly dependent on oil revenues, which account for almost all export earnings and nearly half of the government’s revenue. The country ended 2015 with an estimated 10% contraction in its GDP, 275% inflation, widespread shortages of consumer goods, and declining central bank international reserves. The IMF forecasts that the GDP will shrink another 8% in 2016 and inflation may reach 720%.

Falling oil prices since 2014 have aggravated Venezuela’s economic crisis. Insufficient access to dollars, price controls, and rigid labor regulations have led some US and multinational firms to reduce or shut down their Venezuelan operations. Market uncertainty and state oil company PDVSA’s poor cash flow have slowed investment in the petroleum sector, resulting in a decline in oil production.

Under President Nicolas MADURO, the Venezuelan Government’s response to the economic crisis has been to increase state control over the economy and blame the private sector for the shortages. The Venezuelan government has maintained strict currency controls since 2003. On 17 February 2016, the Venezuelan government announced a change from three official currency exchange mechanisms to only two official rates for the sale of dollars to private sector firms and individuals, with rates based on the government's import priorities. The official exchange rate used for food and medicine imports was devalued to 10 bolivars per dollar from 6.3 bolivars per dollar. The second rate moved to a managed float. These currency controls present significant obstacles to trade with Venezuela because importers cannot obtain sufficient dollars to purchase goods needed to maintain their operations. MADURO has used decree powers to enact legislation to deepen the state’s role as the primary buyer and distributor of imports, further tighten currency controls, cap business profits, and extend price controls.

 

Cool, can you do Bolivia now please. For some reason potted rants about the evils of socialism never address Bolivia and I'm wondering why. I wait, with 'bated breath.

 

 

So what's with all those Trump haters mocking a 10yo kid and being insensitive and intolerable to his behavior of typical 10yo kid who gets bored by "officials"?

 

Has that been a trend? The only one I saw was the SNL writer who has suspended indefinitely for tweeting a negative comment about the son.

 

 

I've seen plenty, though 'mocking' tends to be in the eye of the beholder. When he had the misfortune to be stuck in shot while Donald was giving his victory (?) address and he looked incredibly uncomfortable and bored throughout there was a lot of comment, mostly just saying that or stuff like how much he seemed to enjoy dad's speech. Some of it in a similar vein to suggestions he was a potential 'home school shooter' though, it just didn't come from a minor 'celebrity'.

 

I just thought he was doing a Pepe impersonation to troll Hillary.

[Elerond]

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[ShadySands]

Anectodal story time. In my little podunk hometown we had more than a few immigrant families who came from more conservative countries and weren't liberal in the slightest so on paper seemed like they should have supported the Republicans. For whatever reasons they said felt unwelcome or unwanted or whatever else so they more or less became Democrats by default, conservative Dems but still Dems. Always seemed like with a little better outreach (and image) they could do much better with immigrants. At least in my small town anyway.

[pmp10]

Interesting analysis: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-01-24/the-democrats-rise-is-far-from-inevitable

 

Point 4 shows why immigration control is vital to the survival of Republicans.

That would require Trump to implement effective policy and maintain power for a longer period of time.

In the long run converting larger number of Hispanics and reconciling them with Trump-style nativists seems very unlikely.

[Wrath of Dagon]

 

Interesting analysis: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-01-24/the-democrats-rise-is-far-from-inevitable

 

Point 4 shows why immigration control is vital to the survival of Republicans.

 

Except point 3 makes it clear that good Republican leadership is very capable of turning those immigrants into Republican votes.

 

You missed the point of 3: "What happened? For one thing, the immigrants assimilated. “White ethnics” stopped identifying as immigrants, and started identifying as threatened natives."

 

That would require Trump to implement effective policy and maintain power for a longer period of time.

In the long run converting larger number of Hispanics and reconciling them with Trump-style nativists seems very unlikely.

Trump already got more Hispanic votes than Romney, Hispanics aren't monolithic, the ones who primarily speak English are also more Republican. Edited January 25, 2017 by Wrath of Dagon

[HoonDing]

Just give California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, Colorado, Texas back to Mexico. The entire immigration issue solved in one fell swoop.

[Volourn]

"Like you don't know that here is massive difference in elected president claiming things in official setting compared to private citizens whining about something."

 

Obama was an elected individual. All those Democratic and Republican  senators are all elected. They all said the US election was hacked and that the results weren't legit. And, because of that, it eggs on the protests from people who now truly believe that US elections aren't legimimate and the person who is there is there wrongly and they believe that because the elected officials and your preciosu media told them so.

 

 

"Also there was provable case of hacking and leaking information during elections, as we all were able to see those leaked emails, even if people that did hack and leak can't be identified for sure, where any proof that even singular people are voting illegally is nearly non-existent and there isn't anything that even remotely suggest thousands let alone millions of people are voting illegally in US. But world where everything that you claim is just alternative fact there seems to be no need for any proof and if such behavior is accepted for president and his advisory then it is accepted to everybody else."

 

The election was never hacked. The DNC was hacked.

 

Alkso, there is no question a lot of illegals voted. California  alone does everything in tis powers to get illegals to vote. The now ex President ENCOURAGED illegals to vote. Nobody knows the exact numbers largely because the states where this kind of thing likely happens are all demo bases.

 

I know as a Kanadian that if a bunch of Amerikan yahoos snuck into my countrry illegally and then voted illegally in my election I'd be not so happy. And, rightly so. Last thing I want is a bunch of surfer dudes and Hollywood types  determining my elections.

Edited January 25, 2017 by Volourn

[Gfted1]

Just give California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, Colorado, Texas back to Mexico. The entire immigration issue solved in one fell swoop.

We should annex Mexico instead. It would result in a much shorter wall when we only have to cut across Guatemala. Now that I think about it, maybe taking everything up to and including Panama would be our best bet. Then its just a short drive, by tank, to the sweet sweet Venezuelan oil fields.

[Elerond]

"Like you don't know that here is massive difference in elected president claiming things in official setting compared to private citizens whining about something."

 

Obama was an elected individual. All those Democratic and Republican  senators are all elected. They all said the US election was hacked and that the results weren't legit. And, because of that, it eggs on the protests from people who now truly believe that US elections aren't legimimate and the person who is there is there wrongly and they believe that because the elected officials and your preciosu media told them so.

 

 

"Also there was provable case of hacking and leaking information during elections, as we all were able to see those leaked emails, even if people that did hack and leak can't be identified for sure, where any proof that even singular people are voting illegally is nearly non-existent and there isn't anything that even remotely suggest thousands let alone millions of people are voting illegally in US. But world where everything that you claim is just alternative fact there seems to be no need for any proof and if such behavior is accepted for president and his advisory then it is accepted to everybody else."

 

The election was never hacked. The DNC was hacked.

 

Alkso, there is no question a lot of illegals voted. California  alone does everything in tis powers to get illegals to vote. The now ex President ENCOURAGED illegals to vote. Nobody knows the exact numbers largely because the states where this kind of thing likely happens are all demo bases.

 

I know as a Kanadian that if a bunch of yahoos snuck into my countrry illegally and then voted illegally in my election I'd be not so happy. And, rightly so. Last thing I want is a bunch of surfer dudes and Hollywood types  determining my elections.

 

Obama actually spoke against hacking claims. Elections results itself weren't hacked, at least there is no proof that such thing happened, but hacking DNC and illegally obtain and leaking information from their server did provably effect elections, as media, people, people even here referenced that information in order to manipulate people's minds who they should vote.

 

In other hand president, at least not Obama, didn't encourage illegals to vote, because he encouraged people to register to vote and one can't do that if they aren't citizen of US.     

Edited January 25, 2017 by Elerond

[HoonDing]

Genreal Schwarzenegger and 20 good SEALs would take the entire Latin America in thirty days.

 

[Wrath of Dagon]

In other hand president, at least not Obama, didn't encourage illegals to vote, because he encouraged people to register to vote and one can't do that if they aren't citizen of US.

Obama administration did everything they could to make sure the citizenship status wouldn't be known when someone registers to vote.

 

Edit: Speaking of hacked emails and non-citizens registering to vote: https://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2016/10/19/podesta-wikileaks-horror-voter-id-doesnt-stop-alien-voting/

Edited January 25, 2017 by Wrath of Dagon

[Hurlshort]

WoD and Volo are posting some crazy stuff about California voting, which are part of the alternative facts machine:

 

http://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2016/nov/28/donald-trump/pants-fire-trumps-claim-about-california-voter-fra/

 

But hey, keep spouting stupid stuff about California. Morans.

[Volourn]

"Obama actually spoke against hacking claims."

 

He spoke out of both sides of his mouth. At times he claimed no hacking on the other he repeatedly threaten Russia with 'punishment' for 'hacking and intervering' in the election. Russia no more inetrvered in the election than all the Western countries who pimped on behalf of Clinton. But, he liked that so he has no issues with that.

 

" Elections results itself weren't hacked, at least there is no proof that such thing happened,"

 

Ther eis no proof because it didn't happen but the way you and your fellows spin  it it does not surprise me that many on the Left think there was because theyw ere told there was.

 

" but hacking DNC and illegally obtain and leaking information from their server did provably effect elections, as media, people, people even here referenced that information in order to manipulate people's minds who they should vote."

 

No. The truth in the emails did. The hacking of ther DNC didn't change a single vote. The inforkmkation  which to our knowledge is true did.

 

 

 

"In other hand president, at least not Obama, didn't encourage illegals to vote, because he encouraged people to register to vote and one can't do that if they aren't citizen of US.    "

 

Obama DID encourage illegals to vote. That is FACT. Don't try to spin it.

Edited January 25, 2017 by Volourn

[Meshugger]

....and Trump just signed an executive order for a Wall to be built, sanctuary cities being defunded and hiring 5000 more ICE agents.

[Hurlshort]

 

"In other hand president, at least not Obama, didn't encourage illegals to vote, because he encouraged people to register to vote and one can't do that if they aren't citizen of US.    "

 

Obama DID encourage illegals to vote. That is FACT. Don't try to spin it.

 

No, it's not a fact: http://www.snopes.com/obama-encouraged-illegal-aliens-to-vote/

 

Why u lie?

[ShadySands]

[Wrath of Dagon]

@Hurlshot:

So politilie and Snopes? And you accuse Breitbart of bias. Politilie presents no facts to back up their claims, and Snopes has this: " Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?"

Edited January 25, 2017 by Wrath of Dagon

[ShadySands]

Republicans are dismayed by Trump’s false insistence that millions voted illegally

[HoonDing]

You'll have to link to Harvard or Oxford.

[Darkpriest]

So.... Trump decided that the great wall of USA gets built?

[HoonDing]

Congress holds the purse strings but apparently putting an X on a piece of paper = MAGA!

[Wrath of Dagon]

The President is in charge of securing the border. Congress authorized a secure fence back in 2006. Actually it required it, authorization isn't necessary as it's already illegal to cross the border without permission, and the President has the job of enforcing laws.

Edited January 25, 2017 by Wrath of Dagon

[Malcador]

Ah need to make tshirts with this on it.

[Raithe]

Snerk.,

 

"I won't criticise President Trump. I will alternative praise him."

Edited January 25, 2017 by Raithe