Why Political Correctness (Cultural Marxism) Must End!

[Valsuelm]

 

TLDR: It's fundamentally dishonest and evil.

But really... this was a good discussion. Worth a listen to no matter one's point of view.

 

 

Note: Milo is easily the most qualified person on the planet to be Trump's Press Secretary. If only....

[algroth]

I'm still not sure why people assume political correctness to be a Marxist thing. Here's a Marxist vision to it:

 

 

Edited November 13, 2016 by algroth

[Hurlshort]

The Zizek stuff is great, but the Milo video got boring fast.  It seems like much ado about nothing.  Which I do have to give him credit for crafting an entire career around nothing, much like Sarkeesian.  

[Malcador]

The Zizek stuff is great, but the Milo video got boring fast. It seems like much ado about nothing. Which I do have to give him credit for crafting an entire career around nothing, much like Sarkeesian.

Makes me wonder if the Internet was worth it.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Well if someone's already posted Zizek half my work is done.

 

The other half is pointing out that the Frankfurt School's "Cultural Marxism" was bitching about how Capitalism will devalue culture and produce crap, which AAA games and Romcoms sort of prove I guess. The "Cultural Marxism" of (insert whatever SJW is currently triggering the alt-right)that is producing content for countless youtube videos and opinion articles to rave against is the product of social liberals raiding literature for cool words that make their empty lectures and opinion articles seem to have more content than they do. If it's a Marxist scheme to destroy capitalism, then it looks like Marxism-Leninism isn't the most ineffective leftist ideology after all.

 

 

The Zizek stuff is great, but the Milo video got boring fast. It seems like much ado about nothing. Which I do have to give him credit for crafting an entire career around nothing, much like Sarkeesian.

Makes me wonder if the Internet was worth it.

The ability to order food without talking to people and have access to free porn is definitely worth it.

[Malcador]

True, will stick with my rote blaming of Twitter.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Twitter being destroyed would be a great thing.

[algroth]

A new video of Zizek on political correctness and Trump's win, which I guess is worth posting here:

 

[Zoraptor]

I'd literally lol if Milo were appointed Donald's press secretary. Any interactions of flamboyantly gay men with Mike "Christian Taleban" Pence would be priceless.

 

I have a pretty strong aversion to both 'cultural marxism' and 'alt right' as terms since they're usually used lazily. Though I'd admit that if consistent I should probably feel the same about 'SJW' as well, but don't.

[Leferd]

 

TLDR: It's fundamentally dishonest and evil.

 

 

But really... this was a good discussion. Worth a listen to no matter one's point of view.

 

 

Note: Milo is easily the most qualified person on the planet to be Trump's Press Secretary. If only....

 

It'd be lazy for me to dismiss Milo as a caustic reactionary to liberal feminazism, but then I'm no authority to do so. Valsuelm absolutely has never been more right.

 

...Atleast not since the last time.

[Meshugger]

Well if someone's already posted Zizek half my work is done.

 

The other half is pointing out that the Frankfurt School's "Cultural Marxism" was bitching about how Capitalism will devalue culture and produce crap, which AAA games and Romcoms sort of prove I guess. The "Cultural Marxism" of (insert whatever SJW is currently triggering the alt-right)that is producing content for countless youtube videos and opinion articles to rave against is the product of social liberals raiding literature for cool words that make their empty lectures and opinion articles seem to have more content than they do. If it's a Marxist scheme to destroy capitalism, then it looks like Marxism-Leninism isn't the most ineffective leftist ideology after all.

 

 

The Zizek stuff is great, but the Milo video got boring fast. It seems like much ado about nothing. Which I do have to give him credit for crafting an entire career around nothing, much like Sarkeesian.

Makes me wonder if the Internet was worth it.

The ability to order food without talking to people and have access to free porn is definitely worth it.

 

 

I see Cultural-Marxism not as a plot to destroy Capitalism, but rather to destroy culture, directly and indirectly as it forces unity from the top through inclusivety. 

 

The Alt-Right is just another lazy attempt to categorize anyone outside the mainstream rightwing as i see very little in common between catholic monarchists and american neo-nazis.

[Oerwinde]

 

Well if someone's already posted Zizek half my work is done.

 

The other half is pointing out that the Frankfurt School's "Cultural Marxism" was bitching about how Capitalism will devalue culture and produce crap, which AAA games and Romcoms sort of prove I guess. The "Cultural Marxism" of (insert whatever SJW is currently triggering the alt-right)that is producing content for countless youtube videos and opinion articles to rave against is the product of social liberals raiding literature for cool words that make their empty lectures and opinion articles seem to have more content than they do. If it's a Marxist scheme to destroy capitalism, then it looks like Marxism-Leninism isn't the most ineffective leftist ideology after all.

 

 

The Zizek stuff is great, but the Milo video got boring fast. It seems like much ado about nothing. Which I do have to give him credit for crafting an entire career around nothing, much like Sarkeesian.

Makes me wonder if the Internet was worth it.

The ability to order food without talking to people and have access to free porn is definitely worth it.

 

 

I see Cultural-Marxism not as a plot to destroy Capitalism, but rather to destroy culture, directly and indirectly as it forces unity from the top through inclusivety. 

 

The Alt-Right is just another lazy attempt to categorize anyone outside the mainstream rightwing as i see very little in common between catholic monarchists and american neo-nazis.

 

 

One point Stefan Molyneux made that I liked was how when he was younger he believed culture was bad, and by removing culture as a barrier, it would lead people to philosophy and reason, but as he gets older he sees the far left trying to wipe out culture and instead of leading people to reason and philosophy it instead leads to groupthink and hostility.

 

His best stuff comes out of his discussions with guests and his call in show. He's at his best when he is speaking from the heart and being a philosopher rather than doing his presentations.

Edited November 13, 2016 by Oerwinde

[Barothmuk]

Cultural Marxism: the conspiracy that somewhere in the margins of Adorno's critiques of how capitalism degenerates culture he secretly advocated the abolition of western society through sodomy and transgenderism.

 

The Alt-Right is just another lazy attempt to categorize anyone outside the mainstream rightwing as i see very little in common between catholic monarchists and american neo-nazis.

Perpetual virginity as political ideology. Edited November 13, 2016 by Barothmuk

[Blarghagh]

The alt-right is just a term for people who hide obvious hatred because they're ashamed of it with terms like "narrative"*.

 

*Actually, the alt-right is just a term for those who read a comment like that and then get angry at SJWs because they assume it's about them. Why do they think it's about them, though? Why do they hear a word like "racist" and think "they must be talking about me?"
 

 

Actually, the real racists are anyone who felt the urge to respond to my obvious trolling. If this offended you, guess what, you're a racist. :D

 

WHAT IS THE REAL TRUTH. SOMEONE CALLED ME A RACIST ON THE INTERNET ONCE, MUST BE THE LIBRULS.

 

EDIT: God, this election brought out my cynical side a bit too much.

Edited November 13, 2016 by TrueNeutral

[213374U]

The Alt-Right is just another lazy attempt to categorize anyone outside the mainstream rightwing as i see very little in common between catholic monarchists and american neo-nazis.

Well, maybe look harder then. The common element is their longing for a return to a past they see as better, characterized by blind discipline, nationalism (with or without racialist tints), little tolerance for deviation from the social norms, political authoritarianism in diverse forms, etc. It's important to note that this representation of the past may or may not be accurate, but accuracy is less important than the feels from romantizicing the past.

 

In short: reactionarism. The necessary and sufficient condition to be considered part of the alt-right.

[HoonDing]

[Guard Dog]

I found it! Since this topic started I remembered an excellent article on this very point. Found it:

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-w-whitehead/the-emergence-of-orwellia_b_7688758.html

[Guard Dog]

But what does ANY of this have to do with the philosophy of Karl Marx?

In and of itself? Nothing. Political correctness is a tool. It's terrible in that it's only function is dominate and suppress free speech. But like any tool the real evil is in the hands that use it.

[Guard Dog]

 

I found it! Since this topic started I remembered an excellent article on this very point. Found it:

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-w-whitehead/the-emergence-of-orwellia_b_7688758.html

I read through that... The first thing I noticed was simply a mistake: the article says "totalitarian aka police state". That is simply not true. A police state is a totalitarian system, but not all totalitarian systems are police states. The author is either intentionally or unintentionally working with placative yet wrong images, whatever it is, he does not exactly earn my favour.

 

Anyway, here is the thing about free speech: In a society, you need to play by the rules. In the case of many western countries such as the US that rules are the constitution. And any speech that goes against that constitution will obviously be prohibited, because the constitution is the foundation of the society we live in. And let's say your view is technically not against the constitution but is very controversial: if you are contriversial, you can not not expect backlash. If I go on the streets in the US praising Marx, then I will have the right to do that, yes, but society will be against me. And that is because my view is against the common believe. It is not a question of right or wrong. If I rebel against a popular believe, I should expect nothing but backlash. Maybe I will find some agreement, and maybe I am even right, but I will still get that backlash because I go against common beliefs. I just made the same point several times, but that's okay.

 

The only way a totalitarian state is not also a police state is is if everyone in it agrees 100% of the time. We are humans, not ants. We think for ourselves. Totalitarian by definition does not tolerate dissent. And dissent is often treated to bullet-in-the-head therapy in totalitarian countries. 

 

If you go on the streets praising Marx in the US half the people will have no idea what you are doing and the other half will avoid you because they they'll think you're asking for money or something. No one will stop you and no one give you any "backlash". You'll likely be ignored. We're pretty tolerant of opinions here. Except on college campuses. But if you go there spouting Marx you'll probably get laid. 

[Guard Dog]

I am? Well why on earth am I still in Germany???

Because trump, Clinton, Lack of sanders, two party system, electoral college and guns I'm guessing...

 

Are a autocratic state, a monarchic, sometimes a theocratic state not totalitarian systems? None of these a a police state.

 

You can switch Marxism for any technical legal yet highly controversial opinion. And if no one stops by to discuss with me, that's a sign of disinterest, not tolerance. Tolerance means you oppose something, but let it happen. It does not mean you agree with it.

Totalitarian does not just mean you don't get to pick you leaders. 

 

And no, tolerance means you get you say your peace and no one stops you or shouts you down for doing it. If the majority of the USA votes to hold a convention of states and alters the US Constitution to something like Marxism I'd tolerate it in that I'd not take up arms to fight it if it was done legally by the proper majorities. If it were done by fiat by a political faction in power there would be a civil war and you can bet I'd fight in it. See the difference?

 

I don't like abortion. I think it's cold blooded murder (after the 3rd trimester anyway) but I would never tell someone they can't have one because it's not my place to impose my morality on anyone else. They have to be free to choose for themselves. You mentioned guns. I have a lot of them. I won't tell anyone else they must have on and I won't suffer anyone else telling me I can't. Tolerance of behavior you disagree with is the price a free country demands of it's citizens. If you don't like guns you don't have to buy one but you don't get to tell someone else they can't. If you like communism you can talk about it, write about it, agitate about it and hell I'll even buy you poster board to make signs. And no one will stop you. But at the end of the day you can't make someone listen or agree or conform.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

I see Cultural-Marxism not as a plot to destroy Capitalism, but rather to destroy culture, directly and indirectly as it forces unity from the top through inclusivety. 

Well then they got beaten to it by someone else a long time ago.

 

The Alt-Right is just another lazy attempt to categorize anyone outside the mainstream rightwing as i see very little in common between catholic monarchists and american neo-nazis.

It's shorter than "reactionaries who spend too much time on twitter and are obssesed with cuckolding".

[algroth]

WHAT is "cultural Marxism" even supposed to mean? Has anyone here actually read Marx?

Nope, 'Marxism' in general nowadays is just a buzzterm being thrown about to encapsulate anything that is left of their beliefs. "Cultural Marxism" is just a crackpot term referring to some conspiracy about 'Marxists' pushing notions such as political correctness and what-have-you so as to destroy Western culture.

Edited November 13, 2016 by algroth

[Blarghagh]

Cultural-marxism is a broad term for anyone who disagrees with the alt-right, just like alt-right is a broad term for anyone who disagrees with cultural-marxists. Because everyone needs to put people they don't agree with into a box so they can generalize them away. The funny thing is that they're the same thing - people who are far too sensitive about people on the internet calling them names and both things don't actually exist at all.

Edited November 13, 2016 by TrueNeutral

[algroth]

Cultural-marxism is a broad term for anyone who disagrees with the alt-right, just like alt-right is a broad term for anyone who disagrees with cultural-marxists. Because everyone needs to put people they don't agree with into a box so they can generalize them away. The funny thing is that they're the same thing - people who are far too sensitive about people on the internet calling them names and both things don't actually exist at all.

Pretty much. It's very much a "pot calling kettle black" situation.

[Blarghagh]

 

Cultural-marxism is a broad term for anyone who disagrees with the alt-right, just like alt-right is a broad term for anyone who disagrees with cultural-marxists. Because everyone needs to put people they don't agree with into a box so they can generalize them away. The funny thing is that they're the same thing - people who are far too sensitive about people on the internet calling them names and both things don't actually exist at all.

Pretty much. It's very much a "pot calling kettle black" situation.

 

It's an irony I've found in stuff I've seen, even here, about the left losing because of their holier than thou demeanor. "I hate the left because they keep calling me names, those stupid SJW cucks". Makes me feel like they completely missed the lifetime of religious 'Murica decrying everything from rock music to race relations as deviant and satanist filth which bred that attitude in the first place. The right didn't win, the wheel is already turning away from them as steadily as it turned to them. Trump's red replaces Obama's blue replaced Bush's red replaced Clinton's blue. The wheel turns on and the American people still aren't moving as it comes to crush them.

 

In terms of the internet, you're an idiot whether you steal your opinions wholesale from NeoGAF or 8-Chan.

Edited November 13, 2016 by TrueNeutral