The US Election, Part X

[BruceVC]

I do. The more suicides over Trump winning the better.

Why would you want that, are you supporting Trump 

 

volo I will be extremely disappointed in you if you now become a Trump supporter....that kind of hypocrisy makes me nauseous 

[Malcador]

I do. The more suicides over Trump winning the better.

Just what an anti-SJW nazi would say.

[Rostere]

In the end I managed to predict the winner of every state except New Hampshire. I could do this for a living.

When does betting for the 2020 election and Democratic primaries start? I am looking forward to that news cycle already.

 

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p53vmPaJ4Hg

 

 

Some real life Hillary supporters.

 

They should be charged with voter intimidation, imo.

volo this video is nothing but some unrelated  criminal act ....where does it say they are Hilary supporters?

 

But I did watch it to the end and I have to say the guy does look stupid putting a sign in an empty garden.. its obvious he wants to draw attention to himself ?

 

 

Alright guys, I wanna see some really clever responses to this one. Bruce set up an amazing opportunity for you all to powerbomb him clear out of the sky, so let's not be ungrateful and let his efforts all be for naught. I don't wanna see anything cliche, anything too obvious or expected. Let's see some really original and creative retorts here. Let's put on a good show.

 

Why bother with an idiot who thinks putting a support sign for a candidate in his own yard is justification for pulling a gun on him?

 

Why do you guys in Poland also  keep big signs in your gardens with the names of your favorite politicians ....it must  a nightmare to maintain with those long Polish surnames you all have ..."  zxadsadfggftsussnn   "  

 

Yeah. Our presidents name is the same lenght as SA president, you racista nationalistic swine.

 

Why you shouting at me? Im just trying to guess your politicians surname ..okay give me one more chance ?

 

"myaxzrtyuoyuiuz " or  " yarsvtewxzlllexrghwip " ...how did I do?  

[Guard Dog]

OK, I've been reading a lot of election post-postmortems and this was one of the best ones. Far too many pundits too the easy cop-out of blaming all on racism, sexism, nationalism (whatever -isim you thing it is you are dead wrong). Krystal Ball a former MSNBC host and congressional candidate, and the owner of the coolest name in politics, got it right:

 

 

The Democrat Party Deserved to Die

 

They said they were facing an economic apocalypse, we offered “retraining” and complained about their white privilege. Is it any wonder we lost? One after another, the dispatches came back from the provinces. The coal mines are gone, the steel mills are closed, the drugs are rampant, the towns are decimated and everywhere you look depression, despair, fear. In the face of Trump’s willingness to boldly proclaim without facts or evidence that he would bring the good times back, we offered a tepid gallows logic. Well, those jobs are actually gone for good, we knowingly told them. And we offered a fantastical non-solution. We will retrain you for good jobs! Never mind that these “good jobs” didn’t exist in East Kentucky or Cleveland. And as a final insult, we lectured a struggling people watching their kids die of drug overdoses about their white privilege. Can you blame them for calling bull****?

 

It’s not like we couldn’t have seen this coming. Last year, in my new home state of Kentucky, Democrats were high on their chances of holding onto the governorship. Our candidate was thoughtful, reasoned, disciplined. Theirs was a brash ideological businessman. We were up in the public polls and both campaign’s internal polls by 5 points on election day. We ended up losing by 10. The party wrote this off as an isolated event. It wasn’t. Eight years ago, on a promise of sweeping change and optimism, we elected Barack Obama, took back the House, gained a supermajority in the Senate. We have been riding the high of this wave ever since as Republicans took back the House (2010), took back the Senate (2014) and absolutely decimated Democrats in governor’s mansions and state legislatures across the country. 24 states are fully controlled by Republicans at the House, Senate and gubernatorial levels. Amid the carnage last night, Kentucky’s state house, which was the last legislative body in a state won by Romney still holding for the Dems, was unceremoniously handed over to Republicans in a rout. But we didn’t seem to care much about these losses in the vast middle and South and Midwest of the country, so long as we kept our lock on the presidency. The arrogance of thinking that somehow we could ignore most of the country and still hold a claim on the nation’s highest office is breathtaking. Demographics are not destiny. Candidates do matter. And it is still the economy, stupid.

 

Hillary Clinton’s shortcomings were obvious from the beginning to anyone who bothered to open their eyes. I wasn’t the only one who saw before she ever entered the race that a card-carrying member of the global elite who helped usher in this era of record-breaking inequality was hardly the best fit for the moment. It’s hard not to feel let down by people like Vice President Biden and Senator Warren who clearly saw the problems with Hillary but didn’t step up for their nation when they were called. Bernie did his level best but couldn’t compete against a party terrified of the modest radicalism that made him so appealing. I do believe that a different candidate would have led to a different outcome. But Hillary’s coronation is also proof that the problems in the Democratic Party run much deeper than just one candidate. There’s a reason why nearly the entire party rose up to stomp out the promise of Bernie Sanders candidacy.

 

Here is the link for the whole piece. It's well written: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-democratic-party-deserves-to-die_us_58236ad5e4b0aac62488cde5

 

Looking past the national elections at the state level it's even more shocking. 33 of 50 state governors are Republican. 69 of 98 state legislative bodies are under Republican control. In 24 states the Republicans control ALL positions of political power. The Democrat Party is essentially extinct in every state south of Kentucky and east of Texas. Not a single elected Democrat above State Representative or State Senate is in office.

 

This did not happen this election. This has been happening ever since 2010. There are a lot of reasons that can be surmised for this but it cannot be denied that is IS happening. It's no secret I have nothing but antipathy for the Democrats. The are the party of no freedom. They are the party of mandatory compliance, compulsion by force, collectivism and communitarianisim enforced at gunpoint. They are the party of sorting people by class, race, gender, and identity politics. As I said they are the absolute antithesis of freedom. And they are dying out.

 

That is not a good thing however. Two party rule is bad. One party rule is terrifying. I do tend to favor the Republicans more than the Democrats because they are more supportive of individual liberty. But only a little and they will run amok without competition just like the Democrats did in 2008-2010 when they owned everything in sight. We need the Democrat Party to look back at who they once were, the Party of Jacksonian Democracy. The Party of Jack and Bobby Kennedy. Lyndon Johnson began turning away from that. Carter was never interested in it and Clinton only found it when he had no other choice. Barack Obama is so far from a Jacksonian Democrat he might as well be in a whole new political party. And the same could be said for all the party leaders today. Bennie Sanders was NOT showing the Democrats the way forward. Far from it. If they are to survive they need to look backwards to go forwards. Remember what worked, and what the American people needed.

 

I hope that happens as much as I hope for the future success and influence expansion of both the Libertarian and Green parties. We need more voices, more competing visions for our future, not fewer. But from a lot of the articles I'm reading the pundits and the Democrats are going to draw the wrong conclusions and convince themselves the flaws are in their stars rather than themselves. Hubris and denial make a sad combination.

[Longknife]

 

 

Ex-gf got all emotional about the election and refused to even discuss it with me.  I'm half way between amusement and annoyance 

It is emotional, it has been emotional in SA to

 

Im surprised other members haven't noticed this?

 

 

It's the refusing to discuss it part that interests me.

 

 

One of the main issues walking away from this.

 

The establishment has a number of lessons to learn from this. The average voter...?

 

The average voter needs to return towards tolerance, respect and a willingness to discuss differences, otherwise things are only gonna escalate. I have faith things will eventually cool down, but for the moment it doesn't seem to be getting much better, and that's rather disappointing.

 

For me it was a high school friend on facebook who implied this is evidence people care more about emails than the wellbeing of homosexuals. I pointed out Clinton's emails peg her as homophobic as a way of showing how simplifying the issue gets us nowhere, and then highlighted that she has no way of proving votes took place specifically with the spiteful intent of harming homosexuals instead of for a number of other reasons, not to mention that NH, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania going red alongside the low voter turnout was "evidence" suggestive that this wasn't just bigots responsible. Was more or less just trying to tell her to calm down and no the world isn't out to get her for being a lesbian and she's totally safe in DENVER COLORADO, AN ACTIVE AND ACCEPTING METROPOLITAN AREA, instead of any dialog I was told to stop mansplaining as 2-3 friends of hers all jumped in to tell me a white man shouldn't try to explain anything to a minority group right now (remember, I was born disabled lolwtf), all with a snarky pretentious tone like I was "their enemy" or something.

Edited November 10, 2016 by Longknife

[Elerond]

Rigged system they say

 

States that passed voting restrictions saw decreased turnout, flipped to Trump

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/states-new-voting-restrictions-flip-trump-article-1.2866395?utm_content=buffereb48e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDailyNewsTw

[Darkpriest]

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p53vmPaJ4Hg

 

 

Some real life Hillary supporters.

 

They should be charged with voter intimidation, imo.

volo this video is nothing but some unrelated  criminal act ....where does it say they are Hilary supporters?

 

But I did watch it to the end and I have to say the guy does look stupid putting a sign in an empty garden.. its obvious he wants to draw attention to himself ?

 

 

Alright guys, I wanna see some really clever responses to this one. Bruce set up an amazing opportunity for you all to powerbomb him clear out of the sky, so let's not be ungrateful and let his efforts all be for naught. I don't wanna see anything cliche, anything too obvious or expected. Let's see some really original and creative retorts here. Let's put on a good show.

 

Why bother with an idiot who thinks putting a support sign for a candidate in his own yard is justification for pulling a gun on him?

 

Why do you guys in Poland also  keep big signs in your gardens with the names of your favorite politicians ....it must  a nightmare to maintain with those long Polish surnames you all have ..."  zxadsadfggftsussnn   "  

 

Yeah. Our presidents name is the same lenght as SA president, you racista nationalistic swine.

 

Why you shouting at me? Im just trying to guess your politicians surname ..okay give me one more chance ?

 

"myaxzrtyuoyuiuz " or  " yarsvtewxzlllexrghwip " ...how did I do?  

 

 

There are many things that I could make fun of our politicians, especially the ones currently in power, but the names are the last thing I would come up with... Come one Bruce, I know you can do better than that. Just look and google for the current minister of defense.

Edited November 10, 2016 by Darkpriest

[Gfted1]

"Krystal Ball"? What an awesome stage name!

[Longknife]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p53vmPaJ4Hg

 

 

Some real life Hillary supporters.

 

They should be charged with voter intimidation, imo.

volo this video is nothing but some unrelated  criminal act ....where does it say they are Hilary supporters?

 

But I did watch it to the end and I have to say the guy does look stupid putting a sign in an empty garden.. its obvious he wants to draw attention to himself ?

 

 

Alright guys, I wanna see some really clever responses to this one. Bruce set up an amazing opportunity for you all to powerbomb him clear out of the sky, so let's not be ungrateful and let his efforts all be for naught. I don't wanna see anything cliche, anything too obvious or expected. Let's see some really original and creative retorts here. Let's put on a good show.

 

Why bother with an idiot who thinks putting a support sign for a candidate in his own yard is justification for pulling a gun on him?

 

Why do you guys in Poland also  keep big signs in your gardens with the names of your favorite politicians ....it must  a nightmare to maintain with those long Polish surnames you all have ..."  zxadsadfggftsussnn   "  

 

Yeah. Our presidents name is the same lenght as SA president, you racista nationalistic swine.

 

Why you shouting at me? Im just trying to guess your politicians surname ..okay give me one more chance ?

 

"myaxzrtyuoyuiuz " or  " yarsvtewxzlllexrghwip " ...how did I do?  

 

 

There are many things that I could make fun of our politicians, especially the ones currently in power, but the names are the last thing I would come up with... Come one Bruce, I know you can do better than that. Just look and google for the current minister of defense.

 

 

Sharp_One's right, too. Bruce being racist.

[Malcador]

Rigged system they say

 

States that passed voting restrictions saw decreased turnout, flipped to Trump

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/states-new-voting-restrictions-flip-trump-article-1.2866395?utm_content=buffereb48e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDailyNewsTw

Wonder why they don't handle this at the federal level.

[Pidesco]

OK, I've been reading a lot of election post-postmortems and this was one of the best ones. Far too many pundits too the easy cop-out of blaming all on racism, sexism, nationalism (whatever -isim you thing it is you are dead wrong). Krystal Ball a former MSNBC host and congressional candidate, and the owner of the coolest name in politics, got it right:

 

 

The Democrat Party Deserved to Die

 

They said they were facing an economic apocalypse, we offered “retraining” and complained about their white privilege. Is it any wonder we lost? One after another, the dispatches came back from the provinces. The coal mines are gone, the steel mills are closed, the drugs are rampant, the towns are decimated and everywhere you look depression, despair, fear. In the face of Trump’s willingness to boldly proclaim without facts or evidence that he would bring the good times back, we offered a tepid gallows logic. Well, those jobs are actually gone for good, we knowingly told them. And we offered a fantastical non-solution. We will retrain you for good jobs! Never mind that these “good jobs” didn’t exist in East Kentucky or Cleveland. And as a final insult, we lectured a struggling people watching their kids die of drug overdoses about their white privilege. Can you blame them for calling bull****?

 

It’s not like we couldn’t have seen this coming. Last year, in my new home state of Kentucky, Democrats were high on their chances of holding onto the governorship. Our candidate was thoughtful, reasoned, disciplined. Theirs was a brash ideological businessman. We were up in the public polls and both campaign’s internal polls by 5 points on election day. We ended up losing by 10. The party wrote this off as an isolated event. It wasn’t. Eight years ago, on a promise of sweeping change and optimism, we elected Barack Obama, took back the House, gained a supermajority in the Senate. We have been riding the high of this wave ever since as Republicans took back the House (2010), took back the Senate (2014) and absolutely decimated Democrats in governor’s mansions and state legislatures across the country. 24 states are fully controlled by Republicans at the House, Senate and gubernatorial levels. Amid the carnage last night, Kentucky’s state house, which was the last legislative body in a state won by Romney still holding for the Dems, was unceremoniously handed over to Republicans in a rout. But we didn’t seem to care much about these losses in the vast middle and South and Midwest of the country, so long as we kept our lock on the presidency. The arrogance of thinking that somehow we could ignore most of the country and still hold a claim on the nation’s highest office is breathtaking. Demographics are not destiny. Candidates do matter. And it is still the economy, stupid.

 

Hillary Clinton’s shortcomings were obvious from the beginning to anyone who bothered to open their eyes. I wasn’t the only one who saw before she ever entered the race that a card-carrying member of the global elite who helped usher in this era of record-breaking inequality was hardly the best fit for the moment. It’s hard not to feel let down by people like Vice President Biden and Senator Warren who clearly saw the problems with Hillary but didn’t step up for their nation when they were called. Bernie did his level best but couldn’t compete against a party terrified of the modest radicalism that made him so appealing. I do believe that a different candidate would have led to a different outcome. But Hillary’s coronation is also proof that the problems in the Democratic Party run much deeper than just one candidate. There’s a reason why nearly the entire party rose up to stomp out the promise of Bernie Sanders candidacy.

 

Here is the link for the whole piece. It's well written: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-democratic-party-deserves-to-die_us_58236ad5e4b0aac62488cde5

 

Looking past the national elections at the state level it's even more shocking. 33 of 50 state governors are Republican. 69 of 98 state legislative bodies are under Republican control. In 24 states the Republicans control ALL positions of political power. The Democrat Party is essentially extinct in every state south of Kentucky and east of Texas. Not a single elected Democrat above State Representative or State Senate is in office.

 

This did not happen this election. This has been happening ever since 2010. There are a lot of reasons that can be surmised for this but it cannot be denied that is IS happening. It's no secret I have nothing but antipathy for the Democrats. The are the party of no freedom. They are the party of mandatory compliance, compulsion by force, collectivism and communitarianisim enforced at gunpoint. They are the party of sorting people by class, race, gender, and identity politics. As I said they are the absolute antithesis of freedom. And they are dying out.

 

That is not a good thing however. Two party rule is bad. One party rule is terrifying. I do tend to favor the Republicans more than the Democrats because they are more supportive of individual liberty. But only a little and they will run amok without competition just like the Democrats did in 2008-2010 when they owned everything in sight. We need the Democrat Party to look back at who they once were, the Party of Jacksonian Democracy. The Party of Jack and Bobby Kennedy. Lyndon Johnson began turning away from that. Carter was never interested in it and Clinton only found it when he had no other choice. Barack Obama is so far from a Jacksonian Democrat he might as well be in a whole new political party. And the same could be said for all the party leaders today. Bennie Sanders was NOT showing the Democrats the way forward. Far from it. If they are to survive they need to look backwards to go forwards. Remember what worked, and what the American people needed.

 

I hope that happens as much as I hope for the future success and influence expansion of both the Libertarian and Green parties. We need more voices, more competing visions for our future, not fewer. But from a lot of the articles I'm reading the pundits and the Democrats are going to draw the wrong conclusions and convince themselves the flaws are in their stars rather than themselves. Hubris and denial make a sad combination.

 

Like it or not, the Democrats are not dying out yet.  Clinton still barely won the overall popular vote, crushed Trump among millennials, and the current Republican advantage in Congress is highly dependent on gerrymandering.

 

Also, let's not forget that Trump actually got less votes than both McCain and Romney.

 

Regarding the advantage of Republicans in State legislatures that you point out, that's obviously due to Republican voters being much more spread out all over the US. The typical Democrat lives in areas with much higher population and, as such, only wins states that have larger cities. This obviously also has an enormous effect on the composition of the Senate.

 

Now, all that said and for the sake of the argument, if the Democratic Party really went belly up, the voters that would be left hanging out to dry by the Republican coalition would be the ones you disagree with. The ones who'd like single payer healthcare, who'd want federal increases in the minimum wage, who'd love better gun control measures and more open borders. I imagine that if a new party, or a reformed Democratic party managed to cater to this demographic while finding a way to appeal to the working class, it would be running away with elections until some sort of upheaval happened to the GOP.

[Meshugger]

Probably the most shocking revelation of this election:

 

https://twitter.com/cdenizok/status/796432176761995269/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

 

How could she? I don't even....

[Elerond]

 
It seems that only demographic segment where Trump lost voters compared to Romney was white women, which may come to bite republicans in future considering that white women is single largest demographic group in US. Even though Clinton and Democrats have clearly lost more support among people, they aren't currently in power and those that are in power are the ones that need to make people happy, their opposition needs only to undermine people in power and offer alternative in election.

[redneckdevil]

As long as we have have echo chambers, we will have democrates and a trump somewhere stepping up.

 

TBH having the 2 party system is ok, we all benefit from both democrates and republican ideals and practices. Why we DONT need a 2 party system is imho simply because the 2 parties WONT work together even if it's a great idea. If they worked together and instead viewed as partners with different ideals that they need to compromise with, I don't believe we would need anymore parties.

[Darkpriest]

Wait till those millenials will finish their education and try to enter the work market... I know a lot of large players are going for at least 60/40 split vs high cost locations and low cost locations, and those high cost locations are not only USA. They are also going for more automated processes, so they can cut on high cost locations even more. You already have problems with people entering job market with huge debt and not enough jobs for them... do you think that once they will face poverty, working sub-par their education and with huge burden for several years they will care for things like they have time for now?

Edited November 10, 2016 by Darkpriest

[Wrath of Dagon]

 

It will be interesting to see what happens when Trump voters get the same sense of abject disappointment democrats did after 4 years of Obama.

 

No great 'Change', no revolution, very little of what was promised. Just business as usual. They don't seem the forgiving sort.

You hit on a big point here. The US system of government does not lend itself to major changes in direction. After right years of Obama there are many changes but only taken collectively are they noticeable aside from the ACA. And it is collapsing under it's own flaws.

 

After 4 years of Trump things will be different that they would be after four years of Clinton but not radically. Folks who don't understand large ships down't change direction on a dime might not understand that.

 

At the least he would have to appoint a good Supreme Court justice and let the Border Patrol and ICE agents do their jobs.

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/international

 

What's wrong with the Guardian, is there no one to tell them the election is over and that they can stop doomsaying.

Being a Marxist rag is a terminal condition.

 

 

Actually, his plans for the next 100 days are quite sensible: http://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501451368/here-is-what-donald-trump-wants-to-do-in-his-first-100-days

 

McConnell has to bend the knee though. Putting Obama-care above structural changes, like term limits and campaign financing is unforgivable.

Most of it sounds good. We can't afford any tax cuts though, but a lot can be done on tax reform now that Republicans hold everything. I'm afraid they'll fritter it all away because of their ideological blinders and the evil Chamber of Commerce influence.

 

 

Rigged system they say

 

States that passed voting restrictions saw decreased turnout, flipped to Trump

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/states-new-voting-restrictions-flip-trump-article-1.2866395?utm_content=buffereb48e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDailyNewsTw

They're not voting restrictions, they are the same security measures every country has. It may have helped Trump if fewer aliens and felons were able to vote and people were more wary of the usual Democrat fraud.

 

California elites want to secede: http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/11/09/silicon-valley-elites-push-california-secede-usa/

Yes, please, I'll pack you guys a sandwich. Without CA we'd be a Republican country.

 

Edit: It's funny that liberals want to secede. If they didn't destroy federalism, it wouldn't be an issue.

Edited November 10, 2016 by Wrath of Dagon

[Pidesco]

A two party system is actually really, really limited and leads to stagnation and marginalization of ideologies that are not centrist. I certainly think that a guy like Guard Dog would be better served by a Libertarian party with a minority place in the House than as a majority in a two party system.

[Meshugger]

Are people still parroting the "Millennials" BS on voting? They tried the same thing with Kerry/Bush in 2004 and here we are. Very few people have the same political leanings their whole lives.

[Hurlshort]

I'm not sure that 3 guys and Perez Hilton have the clout to get it done in California.  

[Elerond]

Are people still parroting the "Millennials" BS on voting? They tried the same thing with Kerry/Bush in 2004 and here we are. Very few people have the same political leanings their whole lives.

 

Those "millenials" (people born 1980s to 2000) that cared to vote majority 55% voted Clinton according to exit polls. But yet again most of them didn't vote. Although millenial white people voted for trump 48% versus 43% to Clinton. But youth turn out for GOP nominee was fourth-lowest since 1972. 8% of millenials that vote voted third party candidate, up form 3% in 2012. 19% of all voters were millenials. Compared to Obama, Clinton lost millenial votes, but Trump didn't gain any compared to Romney, meaning that millenials that Clinton lost voted third party candidate instead of Trump.

 

Had only millennials voted, Clinton would've won the election in a landslide, with 473 electoral votes to Trump's 32.

Edited November 10, 2016 by Elerond

[Gfted1]

"Exit polls" are just what people say when they leave the voting booth. Didnt exit polls also predict a Clinton victory? Why is any consideration given to exit poll results?

[Meshugger]

 

Are people still parroting the "Millennials" BS on voting? They tried the same thing with Kerry/Bush in 2004 and here we are. Very few people have the same political leanings their whole lives.

 

Those "millenials" (people born 1980s to 2000) that cared to vote majority 55% voted Clinton according to exit polls. But yet again most of them didn't vote. Although millenial white people voted for trump 48% versus 43% to Clinton. But youth turn out for GOP nominee was fourth-lowest since 1972. 8% of millenials that vote voted third party candidate, up form 3% in 2012. 19% of all voters were millenials. Compared to Obama, Clinton lost millenial votes, but Trump didn't gain any compared to Romney, meaning that millenials that Clinton lost voted third party candidate instead of Trump.

 

Had only millennials voted, Clinton would've won the election in a landslide, with 473 electoral votes to Trump's 32.

 

 

How many of the 60's flower power generation raising the banners for McGovern voted for Reagan in '84? Even if they are now pro-Clinton you cannot predict the same voting patterns for the future.

Edited November 10, 2016 by Meshugger

[Deadly_Nightshade]

I suspect the millennial vote will only get stronger over time because of the Trump victory (nothing like having something to fight against to get people invested in coming out to the polls and active). I'm hoping for a take over of the House and possibly Senate in 2018 and then the White House in 2020.

 

In the meantime I'll be donating time and money to the ACLU, Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, and Planned Parenthood to try and prevent too much damage being done.

[Meshugger]

I suspect the millennial vote will only get stronger over time because of the Trump victory (nothing like having something to fight against to get people invested in coming out to the polls and active). I'm hoping for a take over of the House and possibly Senate in 2018 and then the White House in 2020.

 

In the meantime I'll be donating time and money to the ACLU, Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, and Planned Parenthood to try and prevent too much damage being done.

 

If things get worse, they should anything but get angry and organize to vote for someone else in 2020.