Ben No.3 Posted November 7, 2016 Author Share Posted November 7, 2016 So.. bruce, you have a choice to make;. Are you pro gun and therefore pro woman or are you anti gun and therefore anti woman? Let's watch your mind explode sicne we know your precious Clinton is anti gun AND anti woman as evidenced by her laughing at female rape victims and blaming them for being raped. If only that girl had a gun. It is questionable wether the woman in your example would have shot. It is questionable wether if she would have shot it would have been self defense or it would have made her a murderer (pretends on the evidence, really). It is questionable wether, even if she would have gone away with it, she would have recovered from taking ones life. And finally, I do not believe anyone deserves death. No one! Everybody knows the deal is rotten Old Black Joe's still pickin' cotton For your ribbons and bows And everybody knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 1) there is no God Great, another zealot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidesco Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 There is no Santa. 1 "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben No.3 Posted November 7, 2016 Author Share Posted November 7, 2016 1) there is no God Great, another zealot. No.... He just gave his opinion and I gave mine... No need to dig further (but I will if you challenge me ) Everybody knows the deal is rotten Old Black Joe's still pickin' cotton For your ribbons and bows And everybody knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 1) there is no God Great, another zealot. He is another one for the pyre. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben No.3 Posted November 7, 2016 Author Share Posted November 7, 2016 (edited) 1) there is no God Great, another zealot. He is another one for the pyre.Maybe I'm into that (this is not sexual, it refers to me liking rammstein) Edited November 7, 2016 by Ben No.3 Everybody knows the deal is rotten Old Black Joe's still pickin' cotton For your ribbons and bows And everybody knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 (edited) So.. bruce, you have a choice to make;. Are you pro gun and therefore pro woman or are you anti gun and therefore anti woman? Let's watch your mind explode sicne we know your precious Clinton is anti gun AND anti woman as evidenced by her laughing at female rape victims and blaming them for being raped. If only that girl had a gun. volo...volo ....volo This post is a false dichotomy, it doesn't even make sense but because I have taken on the responsibility of mentoring you i will answer I use to believe in gun control as far as the USA was concerned but I have subsequently changed my mind as the issue is far too divisive. Having access to a variety of guns matters to many Americans for a variety of reasons and it seems counterproductive to try to force a more liberal view on this matter So this is an issue I dont agree with the Democrats on as it will alienate many Americans when it is enforced Edited November 8, 2016 by BruceVC "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromnir Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 1) there is no God Great, another zealot. and not an entertaining zealot either. HA! Good Fun! 1 "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 "This post is a false dichotomy, it doesn't even make sense but because I have taken on the responsibility of mentoring you i will answer I use to believe in gun control as far as the USA was concerned but I have subsequently changed my mind as the issue is far too divisive. Having access to a variety of guns matters to many Americans for a variety of reasons and it seems counterproductive to try to force a more liberal view on this matter So this is an issue I dont agree with the Democrats on as it will alienate many Americans when it is enforced " Nice dodge. Typical Clinton apologist. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oerwinde Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 The government should have a monopoly of violence. You will find quite a few people will disagree with you on that. Governments should fear their people, people shouldn't fear their governments. 3 The area between the balls and the butt is a hotbed of terrorist activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namutree Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 (edited) "A man only needs a gun to defend himself if an other man has a gun as well." Nonsense. If another man comes at me with a knife and I have a gun I'm gonna blow him away. If he is trying to run me over with a car I'm gonna blow him away. If he tries to pull down my pants to rape me and I have a gun I'm gonna blow him away. All3 situations is self defense are is evidence that a gun cvan be useful even if your opponent does not have one. Just ask any 5'0" 110lb woman if they would want a gun if a 6'2" 225lb man came at them with a knife. If you are anti gun you are sexist. God made men, Colt made men equal. What a wonderful saying. Edited November 8, 2016 by Namutree "Good thing I don't heal my characters or they'd be really hurt." Is not something I should ever be thinking. I use blue text when I'm being sarcastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben No.3 Posted November 8, 2016 Author Share Posted November 8, 2016 Volourn.. I see you didn't answer my response. So I take it I win? Everybody knows the deal is rotten Old Black Joe's still pickin' cotton For your ribbons and bows And everybody knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben No.3 Posted November 8, 2016 Author Share Posted November 8, 2016 "A man only needs a gun to defend himself if an other man has a gun as well." Nonsense. If another man comes at me with a knife and I have a gun I'm gonna blow him away. If he is trying to run me over with a car I'm gonna blow him away. If he tries to pull down my pants to rape me and I have a gun I'm gonna blow him away. All3 situations is self defense are is evidence that a gun cvan be useful even if your opponent does not have one. Just ask any 5'0" 110lb woman if they would want a gun if a 6'2" 225lb man came at them with a knife. If you are anti gun you are sexist. God made men, Colt made men equal. What a wonderful saying. It's a awful saying, for all the reasons I explained Guns don't create equality Everybody knows the deal is rotten Old Black Joe's still pickin' cotton For your ribbons and bows And everybody knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshugger Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 (edited) "A man only needs a gun to defend himself if an other man has a gun as well." Nonsense. If another man comes at me with a knife and I have a gun I'm gonna blow him away. If he is trying to run me over with a car I'm gonna blow him away. If he tries to pull down my pants to rape me and I have a gun I'm gonna blow him away. All3 situations is self defense are is evidence that a gun cvan be useful even if your opponent does not have one. Just ask any 5'0" 110lb woman if they would want a gun if a 6'2" 225lb man came at them with a knife. If you are anti gun you are sexist. God made men, Colt made men equal.1) there is no God2) there are two reasons guns and really any sort of weapons create problems: 1. The possibility to legally posses guns makes it easy for criminals to aquire heavy weapons, thus making them much more dangerous 2. Due to the former reasons, a general opinion is created that one must own a weapon to defend himself, whereas of weapons would not be legal in the first place, that general sense wouldn't be there. The government should have a monopoly of violence. And here is why your argument that weapons make men equal is flawed: they don't! Really, any kind of limited resource creates inequality: there are those who possed the recourse and those who don't. And that is a huge problem, and any attempt to work around it has failed so far. Take for example kommunism. While on a purley philosophical level it is a great idea, in reality it does not work out. However, this does not mean that we should totally avoid fighting against any form of this inequality I previously described. And this is especially true for weapons. See, aside from money, I know no good where the gap between those who have it and those who don't is so big as it is with weapons. It creates a situation where having them is the clear advantage. But if everyone has weapons, that only causes the problems I earlier described. Lets see now, atheist, thinks that the state should have monopoly of violence and that communism is philosophically sound. Now where have I seen this stereotype before?.... Edited November 8, 2016 by Meshugger "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben No.3 Posted November 8, 2016 Author Share Posted November 8, 2016 If you would please actually argue specifically to my arguments rather than my person, I'd be thankful Everybody knows the deal is rotten Old Black Joe's still pickin' cotton For your ribbons and bows And everybody knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshugger Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 Without a divinity or higher principles for humanity to transcend to you will either end up with nihilism or the worship of a state based on ideologies. Recent history has shown that you end up with in a lot of trouble when you try to enforce that when the citizenry cannot even defend themselves. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben No.3 Posted November 8, 2016 Author Share Posted November 8, 2016 (edited) Without a divinity or higher principles for humanity to transcend to you will either end up with nihilism or the worship of a state based on ideologies. Recent history has shown that you end up with in a lot of trouble when you try to enforce that when the citizenry cannot even defend themselves.In the entire of Europe, weapons are illegal. Yet, I do not see any severe need for a violent revolution. And no, not having a higher deity to believe in does not disable you from having morals. In fact, I'd go as far as to say BETTER morals come out of not believing in for example Christianity. For example the bible heavily punishes homosexuality. Is that a reason for us to do that? No. Yet we all are set on being Christian. We are not. We are cherrypicking the parts that we like, yet we forget the other. Can we please just accept that we moved on from that moral standard? And in a Christian worldview, any form of crime is not severly punished anyway, because in the end, we all die and those who believe will come to God. Thus, assuming everyone believes, a crime is inconsequential. It is such an unimportant event in comparison to the eternity with God. On the other hand, for someone who does not believe in God or an afterlife, the current life is all he gets, which makes any crime highly impactful, and any punishment highly consequential. And an ideal on its own is a very dangerous thing. And the same goes for religion. Many religious people committed terrible crimes, many atheist people committed terrible crimes. But I know of no group of atheist which committed a crime because of atheism, while there are hundreds of examples of theists who committed crimes because of religion. But that is a problem that exists with every ideal. The human rights deal with that problem very nicely btw. Look at article 30 Edited November 8, 2016 by Ben No.3 Everybody knows the deal is rotten Old Black Joe's still pickin' cotton For your ribbons and bows And everybody knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidesco Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 Without a divinity or higher principles for humanity to transcend to you will either end up with nihilism or the worship of a state based on ideologies. Recent history has shown that you end up with in a lot of trouble when you try to enforce that when the citizenry cannot even defend themselves.In the entire of Europe, weapons are illegal. Yet, I do not see any severe need for a violent revolution. No, they're not. Unlike what people like the NRA will tell you, in most (all? I'm not sure) European countries, it's perfectly possible to buy and own guns. You just have to have obey reasonable laws regarding background checks, gun licenses, safety courses and the like. What Europe doesn't have is gun fetishism disguised as rebellion against the man and personal "protection". Unless you are a gun sportsperson or a hunter you probably won't own a gun. 1 "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barothmuk Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 Without a divinity or higher principles for humanity to transcend to you will either end up with nihilism or the worship of a state based on ideologies. Recent history has shown that you end up with in a lot of trouble when you try to enforce that when the citizenry cannot even defend themselves. You're larping again man 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 (edited) Without a divinity or higher principles for humanity to transcend to you will either end up with nihilism or the worship of a state based on ideologies. Recent history has shown that you end up with in a lot of trouble when you try to enforce that when the citizenry cannot even defend themselves. Im am not sure I agree with that, I am an agnostic but have some nebulous spiritual beliefs yet I am fine with my lack of belief in faith or a divine power The world makes perfect sense to me Edited November 8, 2016 by BruceVC "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben No.3 Posted November 8, 2016 Author Share Posted November 8, 2016 (edited) Without a divinity or higher principles for humanity to transcend to you will either end up with nihilism or the worship of a state based on ideologies. Recent history has shown that you end up with in a lot of trouble when you try to enforce that when the citizenry cannot even defend themselves.In the entire of Europe, weapons are illegal. Yet, I do not see any severe need for a violent revolution. No, they're not. Unlike what people like the NRA will tell you, in most (all? I'm not sure) European countries, it's perfectly possible to buy and own guns. You just have to have obey reasonable laws regarding background checks, gun licenses, safety courses and the like. What Europe doesn't have is gun fetishism disguised as rebellion against the man and personal "protection". Unless your are a gun sportsperson or a hunter you probably won't own a gun. Okay, clarification needed: when I say weapon, I mean those designed to kill humans (rather than sports or hunting weapons), as these are the weapons of controversy. I don't think you are even allowed to own these (?) privately in some countries, you are definitely not allowed to carry them. Edited November 8, 2016 by Ben No.3 Everybody knows the deal is rotten Old Black Joe's still pickin' cotton For your ribbons and bows And everybody knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkpriest Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 From Brexit to abortion.... anyone cares to explain how this happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganrich Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 From Brexit to abortion.... anyone cares to explain how this happened? Metaphor, methinks. The UK supported a late term abortion of the EU. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redneckdevil Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 (edited) One thing I've noticed about countries banning guns, it's strange that somehow violence shot up and then dropped down to the SAME amount BUT sexual assaults seemed to sky rocket back up, some places just as much if not more than violent crimes including guns were involved.... It's almost like humans are violent and don't NEED guns to perpetuate violence and that denying guns doesn't stop violence at all..... Yes there's no reason whatsoever for private citizens to own weapons because the almighty govt will protect them from those criminals...... Edited November 8, 2016 by redneckdevil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redneckdevil Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 (edited) Edit Edited November 8, 2016 by redneckdevil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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