Meshugger Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 i guess this is what some Americans think? http://theweek.com/articles/591808/turkey-now-huge-liability-nato--america http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/12/war-is-coming-russia-arms-its-jets-in-syria/ Turkey's interests no longer align neatly with the West's. Erdogan's own son is accused of collaborating with ISIS to transport ISIS's oil through Turkey. Oh "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkpriest Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Looks like the killed "spy" was in fact a Chechen. Putin's pupet, Kadyrow, declared that they will not let it slide and they will find the guily ones and kill them. This might be the "Russian" boots on the ground if they will decide to deliver on the payback threat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I wish I lived in Switzerland, now. No when you have helped pay off your countries austerity debts of course you can go anywhere you want..but until then you have patriotic responsibility to stay in Spain "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 Looks like the killed "spy" was in fact a Chechen. Putin's pupet, Kadyrow, declared that they will not let it slide and they will find the guily ones and kill them. This might be the "Russian" boots on the ground if they will decide to deliver on the payback threat. He definitely had a north caucasus accent, him being a chechen is unsurprising. And if anyone sent him as a spy it would likely be Kadyrov. There have already been reports of russian boots on the ground doing actual fighting, though only spetsnaz types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Looks like the killed "spy" was in fact a Chechen. Putin's pupet, Kadyrow, declared that they will not let it slide and they will find the guily ones and kill them. This might be the "Russian" boots on the ground if they will decide to deliver on the payback threat. Win-win for Putin, if those crooks and pyscho Chechens want to go fight and die in Syria. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qistina Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 I heard that ulama's have made conference to call Muslims to support Turkey....lol, i already told you guys.... So now just prepare for a holy war....if that happen.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshugger Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 "NATO ‘Okayed’ Turkey’s Downing Of Russian Jet" http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2015/11/27/exclusive-lebanese-official-breitbart-nato-okayed-turkeys-downing-russian-jet/ The source is a member of the lebanese parliament, so take as you will. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 "NATO ‘Okayed’ Turkey’s Downing Of Russian Jet" http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2015/11/27/exclusive-lebanese-official-breitbart-nato-okayed-turkeys-downing-russian-jet/ The source is a member of the lebanese parliament, so take as you will. Some guy I know says it was a false flag by Greece. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elerond Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 "NATO ‘Okayed’ Turkey’s Downing Of Russian Jet" http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2015/11/27/exclusive-lebanese-official-breitbart-nato-okayed-turkeys-downing-russian-jet/ The source is a member of the lebanese parliament, so take as you will. Do Lebanon have some sort special intelligence agency or why one should trust that they have some sort inside information about alliance that they aren't part of? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshugger Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 "NATO ‘Okayed’ Turkey’s Downing Of Russian Jet" http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2015/11/27/exclusive-lebanese-official-breitbart-nato-okayed-turkeys-downing-russian-jet/ The source is a member of the lebanese parliament, so take as you will. Do Lebanon have some sort special intelligence agency or why one should trust that they have some sort inside information about alliance that they aren't part of? What? You don't trust people with connections to Hezbollah? "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Always knew Breitbart consorted with terrorists. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Dagon Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 All that article says is what Jumblatt's speculations are, he doesn't seem to have any actual info. "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted December 5, 2015 Author Share Posted December 5, 2015 Walid Jumblatt is a weathervane, and perhaps the most skilful politician anywhere in the world. He's parleyed the very weak position of his tiny minority into constant powerbroker status in Lebanon for decades. Which side he backs is an extremely good indicator of who has the upper hand, so he really isn't 'pro-Hezbollah' or 'pro Hariri', he's pro winning- and definitely a pro at winning. He's in a difficult situation wrt Syria though because the Druze in Syria almost exclusively back Assad, indeed Assad's most successful and high profile general is Druze. Not that that article really says he's backing either side, doesn't really say much at all of note. I could see elements in the US, perhaps, giving an OK to Turkey but NATO overall? Hollande at least would have been peeved at Turkey derailing his grand coalition and would never have gone along with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) All that article says is what Jumblatt's speculations are, he doesn't seem to have any actual info. LOL So a Lebanese politician believing the shooting down was carried out at the very least with NATO awareness is not to be believed, but a disgraced former FBI agent accusing Obama as part of a conspiracy to impose Sharia law in the US is straight from the horse's mouth, right? TIL doublethink is a thing. Edited December 5, 2015 by 213374U - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamoulian War Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-18/war-good-weapons-manufacturers-stocks-soar-after-paris-attacks This says a lot, why we have started the neverending "war on terror" decades ago... Edited December 5, 2015 by Mamoulian War Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkpriest Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Ahh those peaceful law abiding Turks. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-turkey-idUSKBN0TO0AU20151205 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkpriest Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 A few interesting articles: Russia backstage deal with Egypt? http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-russia-egypt-idUSKBN0TO0EF20151205 Turks deployment not part of the NATO plan? http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-usa-idUSKBN0TN2LA20151204 Oh US covering ass for Turks: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-oil-usa-idUSKBN0TN2P920151204 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Dagon Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 All that article says is what Jumblatt's speculations are, he doesn't seem to have any actual info. LOL So a Lebanese politician believing the shooting down was carried out at the very least with NATO awareness is not to be believed, but a disgraced former FBI agent accusing Obama as part of a conspiracy to impose Sharia law in the US is straight from the horse's mouth, right? TIL doublethink is a thing. You can believe him if you want, but as you say, what you're believing is his belief, he's not even claiming to have any actual facts. As far as Guandolo, if you choose to disbelief a person because he's had affairs, you probably shouldn't believe anyone at all. There's plenty of evidence for what Guandolo says, I've posted it before, you can look at the Clarion project or Steven Emerson's website. "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamoulian War Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Ahh those peaceful law abiding Turks. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-turkey-idUSKBN0TO0AU20151205 Looks like, we are another step closer to WWIII. Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 You can believe him if you want, but as you say, what you're believing is his belief, he's not even claiming to have any actual facts. As far as Guandolo, if you choose to disbelief a person because he's had affairs, you probably shouldn't believe anyone at all. There's plenty of evidence for what Guandolo says, I've posted it before, you can look at the Clarion project or Steven Emerson's website. Nah, I'm not buying either story because... Breitbart. No evidence to speak of in Jumblatt's article, but Guandolo is not just a nutjob, he's a morally suspect nutjob that makes a living from fearmongering after his FBI career was finished. Who or what he sleeps with is none of my business and I couldn't care less. Steven Emerson's credibility is on the same level as Alex Jones'. Being on the internet doesn't make random tripe automatically "evidence". And that's even going into the whole conspiracy to institute Sharia in the US thing, I'm not touching that one with a laser pointer. - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Dagon Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 These are ad hominem arguments. I've never heard anything bad about Steven Emerson, he was predicting 9/11 for a long time before it happened, but no one listened. If you can state what specific facts that they give you don't believe, do so, but this is probably the wrong thread for it. "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkpriest Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 ehhhh russians.... never change: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-turkey-russia-idUSKBN0TP0JW20151206 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarex Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 ehhhh russians.... never change: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-turkey-russia-idUSKBN0TP0JW20151206 LOL! "because they filled mommy with enough mythic power to become a demi-god" - KP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 ehhhh russians.... never change: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-turkey-russia-idUSKBN0TP0JW20151206 The Turks really are a shameless lot aren't they? "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "I'm gonna hunt you down so that I can slap you square in the mouth." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "Am I phrasing in the most negative light for them? Yes, but it's not untrue." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartimaeus Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 "For a Russian soldier to display a rocket launcher or something similar while passing on a Russian warship is a provocation." "If we perceive a threatening situation, we will give the necessary response." Hey, what's the appropriate response to, you know, actually having one of your own straight up murdered by somebody else's military for little reason...and with no apology after the fact? Yeah, that's what I thought. Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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